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The_Raven ago

I know I'll get down voted for this, but I really wish you'd have done more than just SKIM it before presenting it here. For example, how does Fiona's stories replicate those of ACTUAL victims? Most times, yes, victims stories are the same because the RITUALS do not change. This outline reads just like the Satanic Panic saying that the children's statements were coerced and they were trained to say what happened at the daycare.

It's really bad form to throw info out there expecting everyone else to dig into it when you haven't put any energy into examining or verifying it as truth or fiction yourself.

Vindicator ago

I'm not primarily a researcher on this forum, Raven (except if I'm busting shills, or trying to help people scour the archives for information they can't find). When I see things on Twitter or elsewhere I know folks here have an interest in and I see they haven't been posted, I occasionally submit them. Modding this subverse takes hours and hours of every day. Few are willing to help, and I've been doing it for over two years. I do not have the time to read a 115 page pdf. Also, I am not familiar enough with all of the various folks who claim to be SRA survivors to necessarily be able to spot inconsistencies. This is a crowdsourced investigation for a reason. Please dig in, and post your findings here. Perhaps the community will debunk this? If so, I will give it the flair.

The_Raven ago

Thanks for replying, but I'm seeing all sorts of red flags right away.

1) Fiona has already stated that the CIA was involved with her abuse

2) The Russia narrative is being brought up here. So called conspiracy theorists (CIA coined this term as you well know) are the ones who are seriously doubting that Trump has anything to do with Russia, so if the deep state can get pedo investigators to believe that Fiona is in bed with Russia, well that's a start in the right direction for them.

3) Many on Voat are very pro-Nazi and push the racial divide narrative, so it seems as though this story is not only being used to discredit an SRA victim, but to smear Russia and restore the image of the Nazi regime

4) See this article I found by searching helena and peter holowczak https://www.blindlight.org/index.php/all-psyops/item/306-veteran-s-today-starts-linking-nazis-to-pedophilia

EricKaliberhall ago

Yep! -2 pts already. Go ahead and down vote me,

You poor thing...

The_Raven ago

Did I ask for pity? No. Fuck off.

EricKaliberhall ago

The_Raven ago

Why are you and everyone here so obsessed about EsotericShade? https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3013823/16556360/10#16556360

EricKaliberhall ago

I wouldn't call it obsessed... ESOTERICshade is not that interesting, intelligent or funny... https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2965667

Why the fuck do you care, faggot?

The_Raven ago

I care that the mods here are more concerned with finding alts of users than investigating Pizzagate. This sub used to be great, but it's now become a joke. It's as if all the mods are so paranoid these days. Just the fact that the ES sticky is still up is a red flag to any new users that they will most likely be scrutinized if they even remotely step out of line. That's not a very nice 'Welcome' mat.

EricKaliberhall ago

I care that the mods here are more concerned with finding alts of users than investigating Pizzagate.

I can tell that you are new here! We do both here, 'shill-hunting' and serious investigations. We are a well-oiled machine, so no need to worry. My advice would be to lurk more... Maybe you'll learn something!

The_Raven ago

I'm not new here, at all. I've been here from the beginning. I remember Millennial Falcon and had many of my threads removed by him because I was one of the first to bring up adrenochrome. That is when I started becoming weary of mods, especially since nobody would listen to myself and others when we'd show them that he was a danger to the sub. Yet, nobody would listen until months went by. Yet, here we are with a bunch of mods that are preoccupied with who's an alt of who and disrespecting members by calling them faggots and whores and accusing them of being alts of members without so much as a shred of proof. This place is acidic it's actually starting to disintegrate my swamp boots.

think- ago

I'm not new here, at all. I've been here from the beginning.

So what was the alt you used back then, so that we can verify that what you say is true?

And why did you use another alt now?

The_Raven ago

I was doxxed and the offender is still here, active, and respected. Voat does not honor it's rule of No Doxxing with an instant ban. As far as I saw, he was never punished at all. I have all of the evidence safe on a jump drive where he even admits to doxxing me. I haven't decided what to do with it, but I know what country he's in and who his friends are.

think- ago

@The_Raven, if someone doxxed you, and you have evidence for that, then he will be banned. Did you ever alert @Crensch or @Vindicator that you've been doxxed?

The_Raven ago

No, I didn't alert them because one of them is his friend, which means the other one most likely is, too. What's the difference anyway? The offender will just log on with a new account. I'm keeping the info safe because if anything happens to me, my property, my family, or my friends, I'm taking it to the police. This is not an issue that is restricted to just this site. Once someone is doxxed, it's now gone from Voat into the real world.

MolochHunter ago

thing about taking it to the police is they will ask if you took reasonable steps to deal with the issue at the time

and if you cant even say you alerted moderators, its going to compromise your case

you're the Christine Blasey Ford of Voat

The_Raven ago

I wasn't going to reply to your obvious scare tactic, but everyone should know that you don't treat doxxing as though it's some sort of office-level harassment.

I have a friend in the police department who I spoke to when this happened. This person has all of the details and said to just hang on to the evidence because if something does happen, that's when it will be important. As you and I both know, the cops won't do anything until damage has been done.

MolochHunter ago

you're like a bitch who claims she's just been raped but then strangely refuses to go get the medical examination while the cum is still in her vag

you're like a black faggot actor who claims he was MAGA-mugged but wont hand his mobile phone over to the police

you're like Nathan Phillips claiming the Covington boys surrounded him when the tape shows him walking up and pushing through to the middle of their throng

The_Raven ago

If comparing me to a "bitch," a "black faggot," and a liar makes you feel big and strong, so be it, but you doth protest too much, methinks.

MolochHunter ago

you maligned the character of the Mods, but gave them no channel by which to clear their names

fuck you

MolochHunter ago

this is why you are 100% full of shit

all you would have to do is post a screenshot of the offending 'dox' - as others have when its happened to them.

then watch whether the current Mods respond in condemnation or in support of the doxxer

and thus be either vindicated in their integrity or tarred by the same brush

you have absolutely nothing to lose by that. Nothing. And absolutely everything to gain in your own vindication - IF YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE

conversely, by being a fucking pussy and withholding the allegedly incriminating evidence, you keep an unjust cloud over the integrity of the entire Mod team with your insinuation of their collusion

ergo, your lack of transparency is in Bad Faith , Miss Blasey-Ford

so get real, stump up with the screenshot, or go suck satans pecker

The_Raven ago

See, the thing is is that I don't care if I'm believed by you or anyone else here. I know it's true. My irl friend knows it's true. Nothing else matters. So you can go scream and kick and flail your arms around as much as you want and suggest I go do all sorts of heinous sexual things, what you say and think means nothing to me.

MolochHunter ago

see, you CLAIM you are a victim

but you dont act with the INTEGRITY a 'victim' should

so you deserve whatever lack of justice comes your way

if you want a more 'just' outcome - act with more integrity

we're not going anywhere. We're just here waiting for your evidence which you still have not provided any good reason not to table

The_Raven ago

Why would you wait around for something that I already said I wasn't going to present? That's kind of crazy doncha think? Why are you bullying me anyway? There's no plus side to me posting the evidence here. Especially with your veiled threats of "you deserve whatever lack of justice comes your way." Yeah, you sound just like someone I'd trust with sensitive info.

MolochHunter ago

im in your grill because you are maligning the reputation of the Mods

whats crazy is you keeping yourself in harms way when you could easily get yourself out of it by putting up or shutting up, fagface

Vindicator ago

I was not alerted to any doxing of you, Raven. Why are you making these baseless claims?

think- ago

Err....@The_Raven? You complain that nothing was done when you got doxxed, but then it turns out you never told anyone, especially not the mods or the O?

That's you own decision, of course, but then please don't complain about the mods. Really.

@Vindicator @Crensch @EricKaliberhall @srayzie @Shizy

The_Raven ago

I'm going to PM you. What I'm going to say needs to be said privately.

Crensch ago

" I was doxxed! They did nothing about it! I didn't tell anyone, but they should have read my mind! The mods are bad people because they didn't read my mind! Maybe they should stop going after shills and start reading my mind more!"

Unverified complaints. Sounds familiar. Get fucked, @The_Raven.

The_Raven ago

Hi @Crensch. What you said above, I'd expect nothing less from you. You are a crude, worthless POS.

Crensch ago

And yet I'm still worth far, far more than you ever will be to decent, civilized human beings.

How does it feel to be a drain on everyone around you? Making accusations with no proof like all these sjws and feminists and Jews. Expecting the white man to come and save you while simultaneously attacking the white man for not reading your mind.

The_Raven ago

I can tell you're scared. It's OK. That's a normal reaction to what I've presented.

Crensch ago

It says a lot that you say that when you haven't actually presented anything.

If I make unsupported claims about you, does that mean I win?

The_Raven ago

This isn't about winning or losing. It's about the difference between right and wrong.

Crensch ago

Would it be right of me to make unsupported claims about you and expect others to believe me?

The_Raven ago

All I said was that you are the offender's friend. That's it.

Crensch ago

And yet your words suggest that I am somehow at fault or compromised because of this.

I didn't read your mind and help you because your friend is a raging pedophile and I thought you might be in on it, too.

@vindicator @think- @srayzie @EricKaliberhall

The_Raven ago

Never mind. I'm done here. Everyone can easily see that the more I post, the more opportunity to down vote me until I can't post threads or comment anymore.

Crensch ago

Maybe you shouldn't accuse people of things without having evidence. It tends to not go over well.

The_Raven ago

I have evidence. Stop being so offended because I'm not making it public. What evidence do you have that I should trust you with any evidence anyway?

Crensch ago

"I have evidence, I just won't show you."

And I have evidence that you are a pedophile but I won't show you or anyone else.

Do you see how that works?

The_Raven ago

Why are you pinging everyone?

Crensch ago

Because people that make accusations and do not back them up tend to be problem users and generally links to other problem users.

The people eye pain need to be aware of new usernames showing up acting suspicious and making accusations against the mods without any evidence whatsoever.

think- ago

@MolochHuconnter @kevdude: Please see parent, and convo above. Thanks.

think- ago

@MolochHunter Err....I'm sorry, I mispelled your name above. blush

Please see grandparent, thanks!