Not sure what to say. This is strange and I need someone to explain this one to me. Apparently Alefantis is connected with a leader of a 90s pedophile group/murderer(who dismembered his victim) and involved with a drag kid youtube channel. I'm not sure to what depth this has been discussed if at all, but its thoroughly shocking, if true.
If this is true, why are they allowing this to come out, he apparently was arrested with amphetamines in 2017 as well. What the fuck is going on man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p62gqrO-1bA
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NotHereForPizza ago
James Alefantis is a Rothschild.
Edgar Allen Welch destroyed a hard drive when he shot a bullet at Comet Ping Pong.
Cameras outside were directed different ways the day before the incident and the next day they were returned to normal.
Instagram pictures shows them doing foundation work in the basement where they dug up big portions of the flooring.
Tunnels all around that area. Tons of them.
Vindicator ago
That has never been proven, and the Rothschild pic he was supposedly in was debunked.
NotHereForPizza ago
Yeah, we've covered that pretty extensively yesterday.
It's pretty funny how quickly that was shot down, though, wasn't it?
How about we take the situation in strides and don't be so quick to disprove things. There was a drop on /pol/ some time in March of 2017 that claimed David Brock would have a heart attack. It was early March. As it turned out, before the end of the month, David suffered a heart attack. He didn't die though, strangely.
In this drop it was claimed David was the only visible connection to James, his boyfriend and that he was a Rothschild. It was also claimed that there would be a fire at Media Matters. Although this didn't come to fruition, shills engaged anon's HEAVILY during the thread and for some time afterward.
Maybe you haven't been around long enough to realize once "citizen journalists" (anons) get far enough along on a certain strand of info, shills pick up heavily to derail investigation. Weirdly, you sort of alluded to that further up, also assisting in developing the anchor suggesting I'm providing disinfo.
Anyway when a situation like I've described develops, that makes anons more and more curious.
Why does it matter to you if what I say is true or not? Did you know James hangs around here, Vindic8or?
Vindicator ago
Because it's my job to keep an eye on who cares about the integrity of our research and who acts in ways that harm it. Your condescending attitude is quite telling, NHfP.
Of course I'm aware Alefantis worries about this board. It's highly gratifying.
NotHereForPizza ago
Well, at least you've supported my argument.
Also, I have no dog in that fight. I don't care how people view the integrity of your research here. I'm using this platform for many reasons. One of which, however, is not at all to damage such integrity. It does worry me, as it always has, that speculation of this sort is widely attacked on your sub.
Are_we_sure ago
What's the story you're trying to tell yourself. And you can shoot a computer without hitting a hard drive. Why do you think the hard drive was hit. You can also just replace a hard drive and slip the old one in your pocket. The idea you need to stage something is just straight up silly.
mrohm ago
Kamil, the MSM reported it.
think- ago
Honey, maybe you should have taken a longer holiday. It was in the MSM that the hard drive was hit.
PGIsDumb15 ago
No it wasn't. Besides there being 0 evidence to back that claim up, it's demonstrably false.
A hard drive is situated somewhere in the middle/down front of a case(you can check), while the comet ping pong pc was hit somewhere in the middle top.
https://i.imgur.com/r2k2td9.jpg
And the idea of going to the lengths of staging something like this when you can just replace the hard drive is just insane.
This is just another example of picking up a falsehood, deciding that it's true then be completely shut to any evidence proving the contrary. Quite common among you pizzagate nutjobs.
PGIsDumb15 ago
No it wasn't. Besides there being 0 evidence to back that claim up, it's demonstrably false.
A hard drive is situated somewhere in the middle/down front of a case(you can check), while the comet ping pong pc was hit somewhere in the middle top.
https://i.imgur.com/r2k2td9.jpg
And the idea of going to the lengths of staging something like this when you can just replace the hard drive is just insane.
This is just another example of picking up a falsehood, deciding that it's true then be completely shut to any evidence proving the contrary. Quite common among you conspiracy nutjobs.
Are_we_sure ago
Where?
NotHereForPizza ago
See what I mean, now?
NotHereForPizza ago
Read news articles from around that time...
Quit being so stupid.
Is that you, James?
Are_we_sure ago
So show me one that says the hard drive was hit.
NotHereForPizza ago
ahh i see what you're doing.
PGIsDumb15 ago
I see what YOU'RE doing. You're blindly believing a easely demonstrably false lie, while every evidence presented to you that proves the contrary will only cause to entrench yourself even more into that false belief. Isn't that exactly what you're doing here?
https://i.imgur.com/r2k2td9.jpg
Yuke ago
THIS, is what none of us should do, we must be accurate with what we say and spread. The instagram pics you are referring to are the renovations that were taking place at Pegasus. This thread can explain all of that https://www.voat.co/v/pizzagate/1536880
The Rothschild thing doesn't have any solid facts supporting it and I, for one, don't believe that theory at all, I think that was a fake story pushed by shills.
Nothing wrong with the other things you said though.
NotHereForPizza ago
Why would there be easily accessible evidence of Rothschild bastards and their propped in businesses that are used as fronts for various types of nefarious processes?
What you do with this sort of vague info is you bounce it off of multiple places and in multiple ways. With stuff like this, it's typically pretty hard to nail down facts. What we do, then, is we gaugue how likely it is to be true based on the reactions we get by throwing it around like I said. If you have a bunch of stupid faggots trying desperately to keep you from bringing these things up, curiosity should peak.
You're new to this, aren't you?
Here's the thing, it matters quite little that the renovations were in the museum instead of the pizza shop. I did fuck up, but if people are stupid enough not to do their own research then that's their fault for listening to some nobody. I agree that for perception's sake that we should try to be more accurate, but for you to jump on me like this like you're trying to make an example out of me makes me all that much more curious...
Yuke ago
New to this? Nope, been with Pizzagate since the very beginning, that's what brought me to Voat in the first place; I was a first wave migrant from Reddit. Never been back, Voat is home, and pizzagate, particularly the Alefantis and properties have always been the area I've been interested in the most.
I haven't jumped on anyone, you took a generalized comment and made it personal, I'm not here to attack anyone, I'm just saying that we should be careful and accurate in what we say. Saying someone is a Rothschild when there is no hard evidence only conjecture, isn't that. Look back through all my pizzagate posts, I've always been the same in what I've wanted to see: facts from reliable sources. With that we can do lots and we can also weed out the shill posts.
NotHereForPizza ago
Sounds good. No harm done. Carry on and welcome, newfriend.
Just a word of advice from someone that's spent time around people doing heavy digging on Roths, they tend to conceal themselves very intensely. This makes the process of uncovering them very tedious. Many say to follow the wives, and for good reason. Frankly, it doesn't matter much if he is or isn't, but suggesting that tends to make people react pretty dramatically. It's good to use such an onset to build exposure, which you've seemingly helped to do. Confusing you or antagonizing you wasn't my intention. Gotta have thick skin around here.
Yuke ago
Cool.
For what it's worth regarding the Rothschild family photo, my money would be on that suspected Alefantis figure being Eric de Rothschild Pictured here from roughly the time of the family photo ( pic 1993) The family picture looks like it was taken in 1994. Alefantis would have been about 20 years old then. These are the reasons why I don't believe that it is Alefantis. But as I said, if something more solid came along I'd be only too happy to change my stance on that.
think- ago
It's certainly not Alefantis, and Alefantis is his real name. Imo he is a bastard child, so they might not want to have him on a family photo anyway.
But he looks too similar to some of the Rothschild to totally ignore this. It's only a theory, and we should treat it as a theory, not as a fact, but we should keep in mind that it might be possible.
@Vindicator
Yuke ago
I can see why people think he looks like Philippine de Rothschild in her latter years, but he doesn't look like her when she was younger. Have a search for Alefantis' father, you can see the resemblance there. I tpersonally hink this whole angle was created by shills because they know having a scenario where multiple thoeries come together as one is what we'd love to see and thus, would be a great distraction for us. In reality I think that rarely happens. They didn't get to be the richest people on earth by being sloppy and stupid.
think- ago
I will.
Possible, but as I said in my reply to @Vindicator elsewhere on this thread, the most sophisticated shill on the board fights the idea that JA might be a Rothschild bastard child.
I actually don't think there wouldn't be any sloppyness when keeping in touch with a bastard child. That's actually what Royal families have always done (honouring their male bastards with titles etc.).
TL;DR: I have no idea whether this theory has any merit, just thinking that we should rule it out.
Going to look for JA's dad photo now..... ;-)
Vindicator ago
You are correct. The age/date correlation is all wrong.
Now, a better question is why are pettifoggers constantly pushing the idea he's a Rothschild?
I think that, and the fact that this IamQ account posted his grandmother's obituary, bear further reflection and research. Perhaps it will lead to proof he actually IS a Rothschild. But so far, that evidence has not yet been posted here.
think- ago
Well, Are_We_Sure, who is close to the DNC, and maybe to JA, too, is constantly pushing against this theory. So you'll end up with some shills supporting the idea, and at least one shill fighting it.
Yuke ago
What did I miss? Care to elaborate a little?
NotHereForPizza ago
Varying perspectives and not always agreeing is how we got here. I see no reason for all of us to always be on the same page.
Yuke ago
Me either, as long as we're striving for the right answer and/or the same goal.
NotHereForPizza ago
Oh yeah, that was the museum.
But fuck off. We know James runs around these parts. We don't need you doubt spreading like a faggot.
James says the only real connection to David Brock. It wasn't even a month before he had a heart attack that someone dropped on pol saying he'd have a heart attack and the James was his gay lover and that they were tying off loose ends. That's about the time a picture of James popped up featuring him in a big family picture with the most hilarious looking cliché disguise you could imagine.
letsdothis3 ago
Have you not noticed the deluge of disinformation currently flooding this forum?
Vindicator ago
It certainly has picked up in the past 24 hours, hasn't it?
letsdothis3 ago
I tend to think the Hampstead case is one of the triggers and brings in the loonies.
think- ago
Yes.
NotHereForPizza ago
I'm not spreading disinformation. I was just wrong...
Quit being a fucking faggot.
Yuke ago
I certainly have.
letsdothis3 ago
Upvoat for you then. Interesting, is it not? (That's just a rhetorical question btw.)
think- ago
I still think he might be a Rothschild. Looks eeringly similiar to the deceased Philippine de Rothschild, although the guy on the family photo wasn't him. Also, didn't he have property in a Rothschild building?
NotHereForPizza ago
You know, I was almost worried about you, think. Good for you.
think- ago
I don't care. You have been one of the guys harassing @srayzie, right?
NotHereForPizza ago
That's what they'll tell you...
But she sure does like to insist I'm someone else.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Nothing meaningful. That is not allowed here.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Oh really? Alefantis is in a Rothschild family photo on their lawn, and his house was listed as being previously owned by Rothschild. That was all in the early investigation. Don't correct somebody if you haven't gone through the evidence.
think- ago
No, he isn't. We proved that the photo was too old to feature him. But it might be a relative if he is indeed a Rothschild.
NotHereForPizza ago
And THAT is why the photo mattered.
Glad to have you around.
I thought I was talking to myself here. Thanks.
NotHereForPizza ago
They're going to do this, man. Learn from this. There's people that haven't been exposed to the investigation like we have. We need to understand that them presenting their lack of knowledge on the subject is indicated by their insisting we're shills and insisting we're wrong despite our being familiar enough with this to remember it a year or more later...
Yuke ago
I've seen the photo. It's a photo that people think looks like Alefantis, therefore they have decided it is 100% Alefantis. Not even thinking of the date etc. So no, I don't believe that is him. As for the house, again, I've seen the bits and pieces you are referring to and I'm not convinced of anything to do with that either. And as I've said before when it comes to this spurious Alefantis/Rothschild link, if he was a Rothschild, I'm fairly sure he would use that name as it would get him A LOT further in life. If something more substantial comes along then maybe I'll warm to it, but as it is, I'm pretty cold.
think- ago
I think he is a bastard child of one of the Rothschilds. This would explain why he doesn't use the name.
Vindicator ago
What makes you think so?
And if that is true, why would this be a constant push from the shills, even though we've debunked it many times?
think- ago
I explained it above. He looks eeringly similar to the late Philippine de Rothschild, and one of the male Rothschilds. Like Justin Trudeau and Fidel Castro (you might know that Castro was a good 'friend of Trudeau's family' when Trudeau was conceived btw).
And this would be one explanation why he is regarded to be a powerful DC player.
You can't debunk that someone is a bastard child of an (unknown) someone, unless you get the people you are talking about doing DNA testing.
We have only debunked that JA can't be the person on the photo. But that someone of the Rothschilds who is only a couple of years older also looks like JA only confirms my suspicions.
I have no idea. Which shills do you mean besides DTM and NotHereForPizza?
NotHereForPizza ago
Dude, come on. Quit being all smart and shit. You're going to piss off the shills.
think- ago
Oh, I totally piss off trolls like DeathToMasons. :-) :-)
carmencita ago
That’s the same camera trick they used on the Seth Rich Murder. Across the street st the market the camera was played with too. All this under Newsham.