"All your children are poor, unfortunate victims of systems beyond your control.
A plague upon your ignorance, to the great despair of your ugly life.
All your children are poor, unfortunate victims of lies you believe.
A plague upon your ignorance, that keeps the young from the truth they deserve."
-Frank Zappa, 1967, "What's the Ugliest Part of your Body?" from "We're only in it for the money."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1rwkgCAVsc
What did Frank Zappa know?
It's a common meme that Frank grew up in the Laurel Canyon area, with a father who worked
as a chemist in the military. However, what separates Frank from other CIA assets is that he
not only unmasked and despised CIA assets, such as the Grateful Dead, but that he lived in
relative segregation due to his mixed status. Frank's father was a guinea pig (no pun intended)
for money, allowing applications of unknown substances in return to payment for his participation.
This is how the Zappa family was able to eat in the 50's, in addition to following farm trucks to catch
any food that fell off (from his autobiography).
Frank hated hippies, pot, LSD, the Beatles, openly discussed the possibility of AIDS being a man-made virus,
and testified before congress in opposition to the PMRC and a blank tape tax that was purposed by
Al Gore, and more importantly, Al's wife Tipper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgAF8Vu8G0w
Frank's first album "Freak Out!" contained the song "Who are the Brain Police?', which contains possible MKULTRA hints.
"What will you do if we let you go home?
And the plastic is all melted, and so is the chrome?
Who are the Brain Police?
What will you do when the label comes off?
And the plastic's all melted, and the chrome is too soft?
(screaming and feedback)
I think I'm gonna die.
I think I'm gonna die.
I think I'm gonna die...."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuABc9ZNtrA
The final song on the album is an aborted sound collage, missing only the final melody,
called "The Return of the Son of Monster Magnet." The song itself is one of Frank's earliest
failures, meandering pointlessly without the final melody as the record company pulled the plug
before Frank could finish. The piece was intended as a multi-part sound collage, with the first
section being named "Ritual Dance Of The Child-Killer."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP_YxDdGni0
Frank was around the famous "Vito" freak who predated hippie culture. A possible CIA asset himself,
Vito was already shunned among the freak community for pedophilia. Vito's only son died mysteriously,
apparently having fallen through a hole in a roof while under the influence of LSD at the age of 3. According
to his colleagues, Vito was un-phased, if not joyful, at this event. Frank did not have much positive to say,
if anything at all, about Vito post 1966.
Frank made one song directly implicating the CIA's manipulation of culture on his second album, Absolutely Free.
The song itself, Plastic People, referred to people living as NPC's, unaware of the working of the world around them.
This theme has shades of MKULTRA, which would explain Frank's disdain for LSD. The lyric in question is at 40 seconds in.
"...and there's this guy from the CIA, and he's creeping around Laurel Canyon..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVEqxSlaQ64
The second to last track on "Absolutely Free" is "Brown Shoes Don't Make it," a song about a father pimping his underage
daughter out to the mayor of the town for status/pride/money. In addition to possibly providing first hand knowledge of pizzagate/MKULTRA
in 1967, the track is a likely candidate for the first rock opera ever released, being comprised of 8 minutes of multiple 30 second long
songs.
(1:18)"A world of secret hungers.
Perverting the men who make your laws.
Every desire is hidden away.
In a drawer in a desk, by a Naugahyde chair.
On a rug where they walk and drool.
Past the girls in the office,
We see in the back of the city hall mind.
A dream of a girl, about 13.
Off with her clothes, and into a bed.
Where she tickles his fancy, allllll night loooonnggg......
- (skipping a lot of quality content for the sake of brevity in this writing.)
Nasty, nasty, nasty.
Only 13, and she knows how to nasty nasty...
She's 13 today, and I hear she gets loaded!
If she were my daughter, I'd....
(What would you do, Daddy?)
If she were my daughter, I'd....
(What would you do, Daddy?)
SMOTHER MY DAUGHTER IN CHOCOLATE SYRUP
AND STRAP HER ON AGAIN. OH BABY!
SMOTHER MY DAUGHTER IN CHOCOLATE SYRUP
AND STRAP HER ON AGAIN.
SMOTHER MY DAUGHTER IN CHOCOLATE SYRUP
AND STRAP HER ON AGAIN!
She's a teenage baby, and she turns me on.
I'd like to make her do a nasty on the white house lawn!
I'D LIKE TO SMOTHER MY DAUGHTER IN CHOCOLATE
AND BOOGIE 'TILL THE COWS COME HOME!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZLWD75KKGA
Frank's third album. We're Only in it for the Money, is a vicious condemnation of the entire artificial culture of the 60's.
This is the album that contains the fore-mentioned song, "What's the Ugliest Part of your Body?" What is potentially even
more fascinating is a sample of a phone call that he included as a sound collage link in between songs (think Dark Side
of the Moon, where all the songs bleed together). The transcript of "Telephone Call" goes as follows.
"(ring)
(Suzy)Operator, hold for a minute please.
(Frank) Hello, could you call 678-9866?
(Suzy) He's gonna bump you off yet. He's got a gun, you know?
If he didn't get you in Laurel Canyon, he's gonna get you here."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKJoI4U3o2E
Suzy goes onto calmly explain to her parents that they shouldn't worry about
their phone being tapped, because her's is, too.
Frank died unexpectedly of cancer in 1993.
I know this is extremely vague, but what do you guys make of it?
Factfinder2 ago
In case you haven't yet read "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon" by Dave McGowan:
PDF: https://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Weird%20Scenes%20Inside%20the%20Canyon%20-%20Laurel%20Canyon%2C%20Covert%20Ops%20%26%20the%20Dark%20Heart%20of%20the%20Hippie%20Dream%20%282014%29%20by%20David%20McGowan%20%26%20Nick%20Bryant.pdf
new4now ago
Did you know Vito was first cousin of Eva Paul, wife of Winthrop Rockefeller.
ignacious_riley ago
Now this is a lead! Thank you for the quality info.
new4now ago
Because there is, as it turns out, a very dark underbelly to this story. And much of it is centered around that angelic hippie child that the readers of Life magazine met in 1966, and who we now must sadly add to the Laurel Canyon Death List. For young Godot Paulekas, you see, never made it past the age of three (by most accounts). The specifics of the tragedy are all but impossible to determine, unfortunately, as there is little agreement in the various accounts of the event. Left unclear is exactly how the child died, when the tragedy occurred, and what age the boy was.
According to Barry Miles, “Vito and Szou’s three-year-old son Godo had fallen through a trapdoor on the roof of the building and died.” Michael Walker tells of a “two or three” year old Godot “fall[ing] to his death from a scaffold at the studio.” An article in the San Francisco Weekly had it as “a 5-year-old boy” who died when he “fell through a skylight.” Super-groupie and former Freak dancer Pamela DesBarres agreed with the skylight scenario, but not the age: “Vito’s exquisite little puppet child, Godot, fell through a skylight during a wacky photo session on the roof and died at age three-and-a-half.” Alban Pfisterer of the band Love recalled a much darker scenario: “[Vito] got married, had a baby, gave it acid, and it fell off the roof and died.”
The details of the incident that can be ascertained are, to put it mildly, rather disturbing. We know, for example, that a musician and writer named Raphael told writer Michael Walker that, before the child’s death, he had been present one evening at Vito’s place when Godot was brought out: “They passed that little boy around, naked, in a circle with their mouths. That was their thing about ‘introducing him to sensuality.’” We also know that Vito and Szou had a rather odd reaction to the death of their first-born son and only child, as recounted by Ms. DesBarres: “I was beside myself with sorrow, but Vito and Szou insisted on continuing our plans for the evening. We went out dancing, and when people asked where little Godot was, Vito said, ‘He died today.’ It was weird, really weird
And so it was that the soon-to-be convicted murderer replaced the cherubic hippie child as the face of Lucifer. But what was it, one wonders, that drew Anger’s twisted eye to the young boy? And how close a relationship did Anger have with Paulekas and Franzoni? And most importantly, how did Godot Paulekas really die? We will likely never know for sure, but let’s just quickly review some of the factors that might come into play when searching for a solution to this mystery: •The young boy was reportedly subjected to pedophilic treatment by his parents and others. •The boy’s parents displayed a truly chilling indifference to the child’s death. •Kenneth Anger had expressed an interest in filming the boy. •Pamela DesBarres contends that the toddler died during a “wacky photo session.” •Alban Pfisterer has claimed that the child was drugged. •Bobby Beausoleil has said that some of Anger’s film projects were for private collectors: “every once in a while he’d do a little thing that wouldn’t be for distribution.” •Finally, according to biographer Bill Landis, Kenneth Anger was at one time investigated by the police on suspicion that he had been producing snuff flicks.
You all will have to draw your own conclusions on this one. As a responsible journalist, I obviously cannot indulge in any reckless speculation here, and I think we can all agree that I have not tried to lead you in any specific direction, but have merely laid the facts out on the table for your review. Moving on then …
Pamela DesBarres shed further light on the dark edges of the Freak troupe with this description of a scene that Vito had staged one evening in his studio: “two tenderly young girls were tonguing each other … everyone was silently observing the scene as if it were part of their necessary training by the headmaster, Vito … One of the girls on the four-poster was only twelve years old, and a few months later Vito was deported to Tahiti for this very situation, and many more just like it.”
It was actually Haiti that Vito appears to have fled to, and then to Jamaica (which at the time had no extradition treaty with the United States), accompanied by his wife Szou and their new baby daughter Groovee Nipple (or possibly Gruvi Nipple; does anyone really care which is the proper spelling?) According to Miles, this occurred in December of 1968, though other accounts vary. Carl Franzoni, meanwhile, became embroiled in some unspecified legal troubles of his own and went into hiding, resurfacing in Canada by some reports. At around that same time, Frank Zappa moved on to yet another location in Laurel Canyon, a high-security home on Woodrow Wilson Drive.
Also at around that same time, according to author Ed Sanders, the Manson Family came calling at the Log Cabin: “One former Manson family associate claims that a group of four to six family members lived on Laurel Canyon Boulevard in the log cabin house once owned by cowboy-actor Tom Mix. They lived there for a few weeks, in late 1968, in a cave-like hollow in back of the residence.” According to Franzoni, Manson also came calling at the Vito Clay studio on Laurel Avenue: “Applebaum took over Vito’s place when Vito vacated at Beverly and Laurel. So he inherited all the people that came after that … he was the beginning of the Manson clan. Manson came there because he had heard about Vito but Vito was gone.”
Vito appears to have spent a good portion of his younger years in prisons and reform schools, as did, as we all know, Charles Milles Manson. •Vito considered himself to be a gifted artist and poet, as did our old friend Charlie Manson. •Vito, according to Miles, “was something of a guru,” as was, quite obviously, Chuck Manson. •Vito surrounded himself with a flock of very young (often underage) women, as did Manson. •Vito was considerably older than his followers, and so too was Charlie. •When Vito addressed his flock, they listened with rapt attention as though they were being delivered the word of God, as was true with Charlie as well. •Carl Franzoni was known to wear a black cape and refer to himself as “Captain Fuck,” while Manson was also partial to black capes and declared himself to be “the God of Fuck.” •Vito is said to have had a virtually insatiable libido, as did, of course, Chuck Manson. •Vito’s flock adopted nicknames to aid in the depersonalization process, as did Charlie’s. •Vito’s troupe included a Beverly Hills hairstylist named Sheldon Jaman, while Charlie’s included a Beverly Hills hairpiece stylist named Charles Watson. •Vito believed in introducing children to sexuality at a very young age, while in the Manson Family, as Sanders has noted, “Infant sexuality was encouraged.” •Vito apparently liked to stage live sex shows for his followers, usually involving underage participants, which was also a specialty of Charles Milles Manson. •Finally, Vito encouraged his followers to drug themselves while he himself largely abstained, thus enabling him to at all times maintain control, while Manson limited his own drug intake for the very same reason.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00216.html
theres a lot more in this article
noone222 ago
Relevant and Genius !
ReddittRefugee ago
Frank Zappa was the son of a chemical warfare specialist, and he grew up at the Edgewood Arsenal (famous for its research on chemical weapons, and infamous for it's location of abusive MK-Ultra experimentation by the CIA.) He would move to Laurel Canyon, and go on to found several bands and become a major record producer:
https://voat.co/v/pedogate/2661713
Here's a link to a huge article that includes a lot of info on Frank Zappa:
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/inside-the-lc-the-strange-but-mostly-true-story-of-laurel-canyon-and-the-birth-of-the-hippie-generation-part-i/
Relevant quote from page 3:
'as Barry Miles noted in his Zappa biography, Frank’s daughter Moon “recalls men with straggling beards, body odour and bad posture who crouched naked near her playthings
*Also, the Zappa children watched porn with their parents and were encouraged in their own sexuality as soon as they reached puberty. When they became teenagers, Gail insisted they shower with their overnight guests in order to conserve water.” '
barbaralamar ago
U fanboys are pathetic. Zappa was a complete scumbag and about the biggest asset for u know who there was in southern California at that time. Not to mention created some of the ugliest, most soulless music of that time period. U want to subject yrself to his putrid "musical stylings" go ahead but quit trying to sell him as some kind of good guy who spoke truth to power. He wasn't. Don't hero worship mere human beings. The man was as ugly on the inside as he was on the outside. He was part of the machine
Lansing-Michigan ago
If you keep in mind what Frank Zappa's father did, watch the Kay Griggs series about making rank in the Marines, perhaps you will have more understanding who is really at fault. It is the system which promotes pedophelia . It is done through DC and Hollywood.Most people copy their parent's behavior. ...mostly on a subconscious level.
ignacious_riley ago
WOW!! The shills! I'm outta here, you guys are so brave! I've been receiving strange phone calls constantly for a while now, without doxing myself, I am semi-high profile (or as much as you can be at my age) as a developer and artist. I don't know why (((they))) would fuck with me, but here we are. HI @frinkzipper!!! YOU'RE GLOWING IN THE DARK!!!!! LEAVE ME ALONE GOD DAMN IT, I JUST WANT TO WRITE MUSIC AND BUILD COMPUTERS, I'M NOT HURTING ANYONE! I just want my life back.
Keep an eye out for an odd death of a college student in the midwest if I disappear for too long. Never posting here again, you guys are the good kind of brave crazy.
frinkzipper ago
“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”
― Frank Zappa
@penisse @spacepopcoast2coast @ignatious_riley @carmencita
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frinkzipper ago
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frinkzipper ago
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@NiggadermCQ @3141592653 @Tinagra @Attheendofmyrpoe @Blue333
3141592653 ago
Who is it?
frinkzipper ago
“A friend of the devil is a friend of mine”—Jerry Garcia, Grateful Dead https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143168.gif
@NiggadermCQ @3141592653 @Tinagra @Attheendofmyrpoe @Blue333
frinkzipper ago
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3141592653 ago
Thanks
frinkzipper ago
“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”
― Frank Zappa
@penisse @spacepopcoast2coast @ignatious_riley @carmencita
https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143162.jpg
https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143164.png
NEW 2017 The Simpsons - Kidnapping Lisa Simpson!! - YouTube Video for kidnapping another location simpsons▶ 4:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XMa-c2qEaQ
frinkzipper ago
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frinkzipper ago
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@penisse @spacepopcoast2coast @ignatious_riley @carmencita
frinkzipper ago
“A friend of the devil is a friend of mine”—Jerry Garcia, Grateful Dead https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143168.gif
@penisse @spacepopcoast2coast @ignatious_riley @carmencita
Blue333 ago
Here's the link to a rather lengthy article about Zappa I read years ago - can't of course vouch for its accuracy but it's chock-full of information: Link about Zappa and Laurel Canyon
think- ago
Hi @ignacious_riley: Interesting post. I'd like to ask you to please edit, and add sources:
We'd need a reliable source (not mere speculation) that Zappa was indeed working for the CIA.
Same as above: please provide a source that the Grateful Dead were CIA assets.
Please correct this statement.
Thank you. I will give you our 24 hours 'Grace' flair, so that you'll have some time to edit.
ignacious_riley ago
Thank you, sir! Glad to spread the knowledge. I do believe that I have corrected everything that you have requested, please let me know if there's anything else that needs adjusted.
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Don't you mean include a link with the accusation that the Grateful Dead were CIA assets? You expect the CIA to confirm this? Do you ask the Q post to prove that what Q says is going on behind the scenes is actually happening? Do you label it "possibnle disinfo"? Nope, you promote it. Get thee gone pedo mod.
truthdemon ago
We have to idol worship...why dont u understand the game ? We debt slaves dont want to take responnsibility ...we just want to circumambulate the idols pushed before us... ..they r blaspheming that Frank is Cia , ..then Q is Cia, ...and god forbid..our messiah is CIA... ..what is it turns out that the CiA is actually Cia..my whole existence is here at stake... Idol worship is all we debt slaves have as a past time.. Get thee hence , spoilsport
PollyPeterson ago
Pizzagate is about God.
they will have to deal with it. https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143179.png
https://imgoat.com/uploads/03ce9225fc/142955.jpg
PS: Israel don't have nukes https://imgoat.com/uploads/03ce9225fc/142650.png
PPS: David Icke was right https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143182.png
think- ago
You're the pedo here, not me. :-)
Remember that you called the cp photographs in Tony Podesta's collection 'tasteful nudes'? And defended Woody Allen against pedophilia allegations? And that you wanted to have a beer with a guy that played down child rape, and advocates raping women?
You're not only a troll, you're a stupid troll. A more clever troll wouldn't slip up like this.
EricKaliberhall ago
Imbecile.
Sackajahweeda ago
Didnt he watch porn with his young children that he encouraged to have sex in his house at young ages? I dont want to know what this generational abuser knows...
spacemanspliph ago
Posts like these is why I still prefer Voat to r/conspiracy. I remember reading David Mcgowans book(who died suddenly btw, not long after his book was published) a while back, and it leaving a lasting impression. Frank Zappa especially being an anamoly i was having trouble coming to terms with. He was far ahead of his time, and really did seem to have good intentions in many respects. I think he did have some personal inight into these matters. Thanks for delving deeper into this
Podge512 ago
David McGowan in Weird Scenes Inside The Canyon notes of Zappa that, "Frank’s daughter Moon “recalls men with straggling beards, body odour and bad posture who crouched naked near her playthings …” Also, the “Zappa children watched porn with their parents and were encouraged in their own sexuality as soon as they reached puberty. When they became teenagers, Gail insisted they shower with their overnight guests in order to conserve water.”"
And of course, Zappa's female dance troupe, the GTOs (Girls Together Outrageously) frequently included underage girls, similar to Kim Fowley's Runaways, whom he 'tastefully' dressed in leather and lingerie. McGowan also mentions at least one instance where Paulekas had girls (one of whom was 12) put on a lesbian sex show for his leering acolytes and it is extremely likely that Vito & Sue Paulekas were pimping their young son Godot/Godo out, "We know, for example, that a musician and writer named Raphael told writer Michael Walker that, before the child’s death, he had been present one evening at Vito’s place when Godot was brought out: “They passed that little boy around, naked, in a circle with their mouths. That was their thing about ‘introducing him to sensuality.’”
truthdemon ago
Why do u mess up my lazing around hero worshipping routine...? Now all i have now is Trump and his cue.. ..dont pollute the temple of idol worship..thats all we debt slaves have left..
PollyPeterson ago
Pizzagate is about God.
they will have to deal with it. https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143179.png
https://imgoat.com/uploads/03ce9225fc/142955.jpg
PS: Israel don't have nukes https://imgoat.com/uploads/03ce9225fc/142650.png
PPS: David Icke was right https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143182.png
ignacious_riley ago
All very true, however the porn watching has never crossed my path with a credible source. All of the family speaks so highly of Frank, the only negative stories were along the lines of "Dad didn't come to many of my ball games because he was too busy recording and touring." The man did love his groupies, which also did not win him any favors with his family and may have been a contributing factor to his fatal prostate cancer.
As for the GTO's, Frank dumped them and almost everything 60's free love-ish when a crazed fan broke his neck and nearly killed him in 1971. This was the first time, and maybe the worst, that Frank hit peak degeneracy. The Flo and Eddie years. FUCKING GARBAGE. The first dark age in his career, which culminated in the fire that inspired Smoke on the Water (where he lost all of his gear) and the Rainbow Theater incident that nearly ended his life and hospitalized him for a year. After that, Frank went into a heavy duty big-band phase, some of my favorite music of his! I think he knew it was time for a big change...
Blacksmith21 ago
All I know is I'm moving to Montana soon. Yup, gonna be a dental floss tycoon.
VandalayIndustries ago
Frank did not grow up in Laurel Canyon, he was born and raised I think in Lancaster. Think of basically the middle of no where a little north of LA.
(BTW, the ugliest part of your body, is your mind.) have owned every Zappa album ever at one point or another in my life. Owned two books of his, one signed by him, dweezil, and Steve Vai.
Am somewhat knowledgeable about his life. And he did move to Laurel Canyon, he did not grow up there.
Blacksmith21 ago
Just say Vandalay!
ClairesDeLuney ago
Way off subject, but must give props to your username. 😁
ignacious_riley ago
Yes good correction! He grew up in Lancaster, and eventually settled in Cucamonga (hence the song on Bongo Fury) where he opened his first studio, Studio Z, using the same facilities that the song Wipe Out was recorded in! He was arrested for pornography through a sting (LONG STORY you probably already know) and moved on from there. I will change my original post when I'm awake during a more common time, thanks for straightening me out!!
carmencita ago
Frank knew a lot. We should have paid attention. It's not too late.
bibigirl_ ago
What is up with the freaking weirdo that keeps tagging.. What is the point?
PollyPeterson ago
@effyoujohnpodesta @benitsu @notagame @sodePllAlliK @carmencita
Pizzagate is about God.
deal with it. https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143179.png
PS: Israel don't have nukes https://imgoat.com/uploads/03ce9225fc/142650.png
PPS: David Icke was right https://imgoat.com/uploads/a09c8844ba/143182.png
sodePllAlliK ago
Which "God?" There are hundreds. If you think "David Icke was right" then I have some oceanfront property in the Arizona Bay that might interest you.
carmencita ago
I don't really know. Guess they have a lot to say.
bibigirl_ ago
Lmao!!!
carmencita ago
Flapping the Jaws.
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
They have a lot to ctrl + v
carmencita ago
Wow. What bombarding. Yes. Correct.
SaveTheChildren ago
Its about the trannies
Attheendofmyrpoe ago
sung by the whorehouse quartet...
spacepopecoast2coast ago
I really need to take some time and properly get into Zappa
always got the impression he was one of the good guys - didn't know he hated The Beatles haha that takes some serious balls, but he sure as shit had the skills to back up whatever shit he wanted to talk
ReddittRefugee ago
@spacepopecoast2coast
I had always thought that, while McCartney and Lennon could write catchy tunes, their playing was really bad. Just couldn't get into listening to them because of all the mistakes in their playing.
Then I found out that the famous record producer Quincy Jones thought they were “the worst musicians in the world” (talking about their lack of ability to actually play their instruments:)
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/feb/07/quincy-jones-the-beatles-were-the-worst-musicians-in-the-world
spacepopecoast2coast ago
hmm I kinda like that about them... growing up I always wrote The Beatles off as music for fuddy-duddys, a bunch of twits wearing suits and ties singing "I wannnaa hlddd ur haaannnnnddd :(" ...when I really sat down and listened to more and more of their stuff, I was surprised (aka "schooled") by just how raw they were
not too much flash, just legitimately cool guitar parts, chord progressions, melodies, harmonies, structuring, etc etc etc... it didn't even seem like Lennon cared what he was singing about, just wrote arbitrary songs about nothing [e.g. "I'm So Tired" (possibly the coolest song of all time...?)]
IMO whatever they lacked technically they made up for 1000% with sheer creative brilliance - they put together so many songwriting masterpieces that no single band will ever be able to come close to what they achieved... and it's not like they did it writing a bunch of bullshit, pedestrian Eagles songs - they did it playing shit that makes you wanna grit your teeth and say GODDAMN
in summation, I like The Beatles... so f-ck Quincy Jones
Lansing-Michigan ago
Dave McGowan in his book about Laurel Canyon says most of the popular singing groups of the 70s couldn't play instruments. That was faked.
OoLaLaFrenchGirl ago
I was just about to post this as well. Most (if not all) of the bands that came out of Laurel Canyon, in the 60’s, were psy-ops. Ever wonder why so many committed “suicide” or died from “drug overdoses”? Perhaps there was no more need for those specific characters.
ignacious_riley ago
In the months after Revolver, Paul McCartney stated in an interview that "...the next album will be our 'Freak Out!'" Paul, in other interviews, mentioned wanting to make a mix between the Beach Boy's "Pet Sounds" and Zappa's "Freak Out!"
The first songs recorded were for an autobiographical album. "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane" were to be crucial tracks, outlining respectively John and Paul;s childhood. The songs were kept, but not included, for the final album which abandoned the childhood theme for one about a fictitious band reuniting. This was Sgt. Pepper. "We're Only in it for the Money" and "Lumpy Gravy" were Frank's response. Check out the album art, that's actually Jimi Hendrix in person on the cover. https://http2.mlstatic.com/frank-zappa-were-only-in-it-for-the-money-D_NQ_NP_20724-MLB20196794926_112014-F.webp
Both him and Clapton ("GOD god oh god, I can see god!!") we're included on the album in samples of real life conversations Frank recorded while they were tripping ("Ah... ah... are you hung up? Out of sight, man, but are... uh... are you hung up?"), though Jimi's involvement is legendary and possibly non-existent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IemQsLV9dTM
Frank appears on the Hendrix track "Stars that Play with Laughing Sam's Dice" (STP with LSD) on sound manipulation. Frank traded Jimi a wah pedal (Jimi's first ever) for Jimi's guitar that he sacrificed (played on Zoot Allures).
Happy to answer any questions! I am a Zappa nerd.
spacepopecoast2coast ago
HOLY FUCK that album cover haha no idea how I've never seen that before now
"Stars that Play with Laughing Sam's Dice" damn dude if that's not a loaded song title, shots ffffireeedd
ignacious_riley ago
Fun fact: that album art matched Sgt. Pepper's so well that the printing company used to print both of them on the same sheet of paper to save on colored ink. Great quote from Frank in a 1975 interview with Captain Beefheart (his childhood friend) and George Duke, "Man, that'd make for some great wallpaper!"
spacepopecoast2coast ago
haha you're just shooting from the hip, respect the trivia for sure - if I go for one album, where should I start?
glad McCartney was listening to Zappa tho... Rubber Soul and Revolver had some great songs, but Sgt. Pepper's and onward is where The Beatles really come alive for me
ignacious_riley ago
Absolutely, and when Frank and John hooked up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G18aGDMy5Y4)), Frank apparnetly knew enough Beatles tunes to jam over "She's Loves You" and "Help" backstage before the show.
Sorry for the cavalier writing, it isn't often I can talk to people about this stuff! Recommend one album? He made 100 before he died! For me though, it's "Hot Rats." Ever hear a modern album where it sounds like 40 people, but it's three musicians doing overdubs? Hot Rats was commissioned by Sony in 1969 as a test record for their world first 16-track tape recorder. They wanted someone who would possibly break their prototype in use as beta-testing, and Frank delivered a complete masterpiece that constitutes a strong candidate for the first jazz fusion and experimental prog album.
Pro-tip: Frank butchered his albums when he released them on CD in the 80s, the original mixes have entirely different instruments and sections. Search out the original mix for everything.
Here is a track called "Peaches en Regalia." Frank plays all strings, most drums. Ian Underwood plays all keys and all wind instruments. Shuggie Otis on bass, I forget the main drummer. The guitar solo is actually played on bass, recorded with the tape moving at half speed so it shifts up an octave when played back normally, layered 9 times with a wah pedal and doubled by a flute. The entire piece is in sonata form. No songs about poop and pee here, just high art. One of maybe 7 albums of his that I believe you cannot even come close to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSb_YW3p8CY
iswallow ago
Someone please develop a Yoko-filter. 24 min of great music, ruined by Ono
spacepopecoast2coast ago
damn listening to "Who Are The Brain Police?" now, I think I found my starting point
ignacious_riley ago
serious MK/ULTRA triggers in that song. i haven't listened to it hard ever before I made the connection I wrote about in my initial post, I always wrote the song off. What happened to Frank to make him write a song like that? Not normal. In the liner notes for "Freak Out!", he claims that the brain police song was "...the only one (he) was afraid to record on that album."
spacepopecoast2coast ago
I could see that, very specific phrases and jarring musical changes
something about those apathetic sounding aaaahs in the beginning I really like
spacepopecoast2coast ago
no apology necessary, I think it's super rad
ignacious_riley ago
Man, as a composer/artist (gotta be careful not to dox myself), I feel you. That's just Frank, man, you could make a very serious and heavy argument for him being America's Mozart/Bach/Varese/whatever. He's a motherfucker, and the further down the rabbit hole you go, the more you get! There are plenty of other guys who are worthy of that title in America, but the only Americans who come close for me off the top of my head are John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Eric Dolphy, and Albert Ayler. Of course, mentioning black artists on a racially conscious board such as this will catch flack, but I am of the firm belief that aside from freaks (Zappa/The Stooges/Velvet Underground), music stopped evolving harmonically around 1964-1967, when the FBI murdered all of the black artists/leaders. Oh boy, what could have been, and what is happening now, just makes me so fucking sad...
spacepopecoast2coast ago
who could argue tho for real, the best and most honest art always seems to come from the underdogs... when that tune is all you have, but it's yours and no one can take it from you
excited to listen thru some of these Zappa records, predicting I'm gonna find out where some of my favorite artists really got a lot of their sound from
penisse ago
Upvoated because Zappa will always be relevant.
Joe10jo ago
Agree! Zappa’s always relevant and always thought provoking. Thanks for sharing!
Tinagra ago
I knew how to trick chicks into fucking a weirdo.
3141592653 ago
How rapey of you to say
NiggadermCQ ago
A $40 bill?
EffYouJohnPodesta ago
Are $40 Bills a fake denomination or are you referring to William Jefferson Clinton
NiggadermCQ ago
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