The epicenter was north of the British Virgin Islands, which are way north of the US Virgin Islands, including Epstein's island. If you drew a line it just goes to the north Atlantic. So I feel it's not reasonable the explosion was in any tunnel.
(I consider myself a Caribbean-geography nazi (at least west of the Virgin Islands) thanks to research I did for this post:
There was a thread about Q posting that Epstein was 'burying tunnels'. I at first took it as similar to 'burying pipes' or 'burying cables'. Indeed a lot of subway systems are built by digging a trench, building the subway, then filling in. Of course it could mean filling in the tunnels, which is more consistent with this latest purported destruction by fire.
"Why is Epstein spending $29mm to bury the tunnels underneath is temple on Epstein Island?"
Interesting. Just like Little St. James that island has four lobes, that aren't aligned to compass directions (which made the Q 'compass diections' tip a bit more baffling).
Tunnel cost $7 billion in '88 for 33.5 miles of tunnel, 14,5 underwater. 34 died.
This part...
"Beneath the Tsugaru Strait, the use of a tunnel boring machine (TBM) was abandoned after less than two kilometres (1.2 miles) owing to the variable nature of the rock and difficulty in accessing the face for advanced grouting.[16][15] Blasting with dynamite and mechanical picking were then used to excavate."
"Simple tunnels through the limestone and above sea level are more likely. To make a submarine port would require digging the tunnel first and blowing the entrance out with explosives on an underwater cliff. That would be something he would probably not be able to accomplish without help from a country/military."
I'd never thought of blasting an underwater tunnel, seems counterintuitive to me. Any blasting would surely be heard from St. Thomas, the main island, which is not private?
Even though this was '88 and TBMs are probably way cheaper and available, I feel Q's 'Epstein is spending $29 million to bury the tunnels' tip, if it has any veracity, couldn't refer to constructing a major tunnel. More likely the tunnels would refer to underground construction on the island, which could be what we are seeing in Rachel Chandler's photo of security cameras. I think many of the walls in the photos could be rough-hewn coral.
Actually TBMs were quite crude by today's standards in 88 and were only operated by major mining companies and military. Advanced grouting is probably nothing more than trying to find the leak from the outside with dye and pumping hydraulic cement in the crack. Depending on depth we are talking submersible robot$. Limestone can be cut fairly easily and the only blasting would be the end part which would be under water and probably not be heard. Remember that the beach was 280 to 320 ft below present day only 11,000 years ago. That means that the limestone would be exposed to acidic plant life and rain for tens of thousands of years, which tuns it into swiss cheese in many spots. Unless something harder lay below the limestone and above sea level, not likely.
Good to hear from someone with some knowledge in this area, thanks!
So it sounds like if you wanted to build a long-range tunnel from Little St. James you'd have to have some heavy reinforcement of those first 300 odd feet down.
Hey, I'm curious, how do they guide TBMs? I suppose they measure back from the point of origin, use lasers to keep it straight, but I'd think a really long tunnel might wander a bit. (I should research, but just thought I'd ask.)
I am certainly not an expert, but few treasure hunters are. Nonetheless we find things others can't, and tend to be better at HISTORY than people who passed college. Huge debate there. TBM's are most likely as you described/invented in your mind, but without other technology they donna work so well, especially underwater. Robots are pretty much separated by lines going out of boats and autonomous, with strange variations in between. The only scenario that I can conceive of is that there is a deep tunnel under the island going to the big island that would have been built by BIG MONEY. That being said, I do not know the depth of the trench between the twain. I was looking at Do secret underground tunnels exist in Ogden? | KSL.com
Rumors about secret tunnels, and what they were used for, have circulated for decades in Ogden. Many people swear they exist. Others say they're just folklore. The KSL Investigators go underground to see the evidence.
Search domain www.ksl.comhttps://www.ksl.com/?sid=39811533&nid=148 when you rang.
Simple tunnels through the limestone and above sea level are more likely. To make a submarine port would require digging the tunnel first and blowing the entrance out with explosives on an underwater cliff. That would be something he would be probably not be able to accomplish without help from a country/military.
This comment got me wondering, so i did a little digging. I found an article that mentioned the shock waves produced recently by the North Korean nuclear tests. From what i can find, their first test back in 2006 was about a 1 kt blast that produced a magnitude 4.3 shock wave. Considering that there have been documented military (conventional) explosions consuming over 4000 tons of explosives, I'd say you could probably expect to be able to get a 4.3 or even a 4.9 with a conventional explosion, but not much more.
1kt = 1000 tons of TNT. Depending on how close the seismic sensors were would depend on on the reading. Bringing a 1000 tons of anything onto an island would be a huge pain in the ass. A SADM (SPecial Atomic Demolition Munition) has dial-a-yields (1-5kt) and could be optimized for the on-ground conditions. It also weighs under 100 lbs. Detonation in the underground tunnels would contain the radiation. It would also collapse all the subterranean tunnels and likely destabilize the ground above, causing massive building collapse. Bigger buildings may have required booster charges to topple.
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Blacksmith21 ago
The earthquake was real. I got an alert. I'm wondering if the White Hats set off a thermobaric or small nuke charge underground.
InnocentAngels ago
Destroying those tunnels using explosives maybe?
sore_ass_losers ago
The epicenter was north of the British Virgin Islands, which are way north of the US Virgin Islands, including Epstein's island. If you drew a line it just goes to the north Atlantic. So I feel it's not reasonable the explosion was in any tunnel.
(I consider myself a Caribbean-geography nazi (at least west of the Virgin Islands) thanks to research I did for this post:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2482061/12387424 )
InnocentAngels ago
Thanks for that. I looked it up too after your post. Looking at the map I see what you are saying. https://earthquake-report.com/2018/04/06/moderate-earthquake-road-town-british-virgin-islands-april-6-2018/
sore_ass_losers ago
There was a thread about Q posting that Epstein was 'burying tunnels'. I at first took it as similar to 'burying pipes' or 'burying cables'. Indeed a lot of subway systems are built by digging a trench, building the subway, then filling in. Of course it could mean filling in the tunnels, which is more consistent with this latest purported destruction by fire.
"Why is Epstein spending $29mm to bury the tunnels underneath is temple on Epstein Island?"
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2482061
The idea of an actual tunnel from say Haiti or Dominican Republic to Little St. James captured my imagination. But I don't think it's feasible.
Tunnelling machines are readily available, but the cost is around $19K/ft. This would be a very expensive tunnel and $29 million a mere pittance.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2482061/12387436
@Yogsoggoth has some knowledge of the local geology and says deep tunnels in the Virgin Islands are not likely feasible.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2482061/12393377
new4now ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikan_Tunnel
thought you might like this
notice in pic of the two islands, the smaller one has the same shape as Epsteins Island
sore_ass_losers ago
Interesting. Just like Little St. James that island has four lobes, that aren't aligned to compass directions (which made the Q 'compass diections' tip a bit more baffling).
Tunnel cost $7 billion in '88 for 33.5 miles of tunnel, 14,5 underwater. 34 died.
This part...
"Beneath the Tsugaru Strait, the use of a tunnel boring machine (TBM) was abandoned after less than two kilometres (1.2 miles) owing to the variable nature of the rock and difficulty in accessing the face for advanced grouting.[16][15] Blasting with dynamite and mechanical picking were then used to excavate."
...accords with what @YogSoggoth was saying...
"Simple tunnels through the limestone and above sea level are more likely. To make a submarine port would require digging the tunnel first and blowing the entrance out with explosives on an underwater cliff. That would be something he would probably not be able to accomplish without help from a country/military."
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2497982/12483498?context=10
I'd never thought of blasting an underwater tunnel, seems counterintuitive to me. Any blasting would surely be heard from St. Thomas, the main island, which is not private?
Even though this was '88 and TBMs are probably way cheaper and available, I feel Q's 'Epstein is spending $29 million to bury the tunnels' tip, if it has any veracity, couldn't refer to constructing a major tunnel. More likely the tunnels would refer to underground construction on the island, which could be what we are seeing in Rachel Chandler's photo of security cameras. I think many of the walls in the photos could be rough-hewn coral.
YogSoggoth ago
Actually TBMs were quite crude by today's standards in 88 and were only operated by major mining companies and military. Advanced grouting is probably nothing more than trying to find the leak from the outside with dye and pumping hydraulic cement in the crack. Depending on depth we are talking submersible robot$. Limestone can be cut fairly easily and the only blasting would be the end part which would be under water and probably not be heard. Remember that the beach was 280 to 320 ft below present day only 11,000 years ago. That means that the limestone would be exposed to acidic plant life and rain for tens of thousands of years, which tuns it into swiss cheese in many spots. Unless something harder lay below the limestone and above sea level, not likely.
sore_ass_losers ago
Good to hear from someone with some knowledge in this area, thanks!
So it sounds like if you wanted to build a long-range tunnel from Little St. James you'd have to have some heavy reinforcement of those first 300 odd feet down.
Hey, I'm curious, how do they guide TBMs? I suppose they measure back from the point of origin, use lasers to keep it straight, but I'd think a really long tunnel might wander a bit. (I should research, but just thought I'd ask.)
YogSoggoth ago
I am certainly not an expert, but few treasure hunters are. Nonetheless we find things others can't, and tend to be better at HISTORY than people who passed college. Huge debate there. TBM's are most likely as you described/invented in your mind, but without other technology they donna work so well, especially underwater. Robots are pretty much separated by lines going out of boats and autonomous, with strange variations in between. The only scenario that I can conceive of is that there is a deep tunnel under the island going to the big island that would have been built by BIG MONEY. That being said, I do not know the depth of the trench between the twain. I was looking at Do secret underground tunnels exist in Ogden? | KSL.com Rumors about secret tunnels, and what they were used for, have circulated for decades in Ogden. Many people swear they exist. Others say they're just folklore. The KSL Investigators go underground to see the evidence. Search domain www.ksl.comhttps://www.ksl.com/?sid=39811533&nid=148 when you rang.
new4now ago
interesting thought
we need more pics lol
YogSoggoth ago
Simple tunnels through the limestone and above sea level are more likely. To make a submarine port would require digging the tunnel first and blowing the entrance out with explosives on an underwater cliff. That would be something he would be probably not be able to accomplish without help from a country/military.
Blacksmith21 ago
That's what I'm thinking. But to register a 4.9 (I saw it as a 4.3) would take something nuke sized. That's a LOT of conventional explosives.
tippyc ago
This comment got me wondering, so i did a little digging. I found an article that mentioned the shock waves produced recently by the North Korean nuclear tests. From what i can find, their first test back in 2006 was about a 1 kt blast that produced a magnitude 4.3 shock wave. Considering that there have been documented military (conventional) explosions consuming over 4000 tons of explosives, I'd say you could probably expect to be able to get a 4.3 or even a 4.9 with a conventional explosion, but not much more.
Blacksmith21 ago
1kt = 1000 tons of TNT. Depending on how close the seismic sensors were would depend on on the reading. Bringing a 1000 tons of anything onto an island would be a huge pain in the ass. A SADM (SPecial Atomic Demolition Munition) has dial-a-yields (1-5kt) and could be optimized for the on-ground conditions. It also weighs under 100 lbs. Detonation in the underground tunnels would contain the radiation. It would also collapse all the subterranean tunnels and likely destabilize the ground above, causing massive building collapse. Bigger buildings may have required booster charges to topple.
tippyc ago
The seismic readings are adjusted for distance. Each separate sensor gets a different size wave and they extrapolate the source magnitude.
Blacksmith21 ago
Triangulation and Doppler. I get it.