Howdy folks. We've had about a week to experiment with the new 24 Hour Reprieve flair approach to removals. In that time, we've removed a total of 35 posts and left up 143. I haven't been keeping formal track of how many were flaired and fixed, but my estimate is that about 50% of what we've flaired has been fixed and the flairs removed, and/or the submitter self-removed and reposted -- so about twice as many posts have been left up on the board.
Majority of removals are due to problematic titles
Of the 35 posts taken down in the nine days since the new flair system went live:
- 21 were Link posts that could not be edited
- 25 were Rule 3 removals because headlines did not clearly posit relevance to child sex abuse by the elite
There were several Discuss threads with vague headlines whose body text was edited to explain pizzagate relevance that we left up, and several that had inaccurate headlines that we either removed immediately or flaired and asked the submitter to self-remove. I'd like feedback about the best way to handle faulty headlines (before we get into revisiting the submission rules at some point soon).
It's not easy to repost Removed submissions with formatting and embedded links
To further complicate the issue, I did a test and confirmed that submitters cannot copypaste the source formatting of their threads to repost -- all embedded hyperlinks and text formatting must be rebuilt from scratch. :-( Headlines are difficult to write for many people and we cannot edit them. Is it worth possibly suppressing research and antagonizing researchers by removing Discuss posts solely due to problem headlines?
User @ll0O-O0ll suggested we create an "Edited Title" flair to use in combination with a better headline added by the submitter at the beginning of the post (formatted as a headline) for Discuss posts.
Please give feedback about the following questions:
1 - Should Link posts with problem headlines be given a 24 Hour Reprieve flair to gather feedback and better headline suggestions before being removed?
2 - Should Discuss threads with problem headlines that otherwise satisfy the submission rules get an "Edited Title" flair and new headline and be allowed to stay up since submitters can't copypaste formatting from Removed threads?
3 - Or, instead of option #2, should mods advise submitters of Discuss threads with problem headlines to copypaste and repost their work BEFORE the 24 Hour flair expires, while they still have access to the "source" markdown window?
4 - Is our requirement that headlines of all posts explain pizzagate relevance too onerous for users and mods? Would we be better off without it?
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Blacksmith21 ago
5 - NO HYPERLINKS IN TITLE.
Maybe it's me, I don't click on title links not knowing what they are.
Vindicator ago
So you are saying we should not allow Link posts at all and only allow Discuss posts?
Honeybee_ ago
I actually brought this up a few months back, I agree the "share a link" option leads people down the path of unknowingly breaking some of our posting rules. ♡ hi btw, just relocated and I'm back to help.
Vindicator ago
Great great great to have you back on the mod team Honeybee_! Jump in any time. Rules are the same, except we ALWAYS leave a comment inside the post, use the and 24 Hour Reprieve flair before removing. So: removal comment about what the problem is, but mention giving 24 hours to edit, distinguish your comment and apply the flair. Also, we need to ask them to reply to the mod flair comment when the post has been edited so that the flair can be removed and the post not be taken down.
With Link posts that don't explain the pizzagate relevance in the title (Rule 1 and 3), you can either remove immediately if it's a shitpost, or flair it and tell the OP they have 24 Hours to self-remove and repost with a better title.
Once a day, it's good to scroll back through the past few days of NEW and see if any 24 Hour flaired posts need to come down, double check that they weren't edited (no comment to the mods flair comment saying so), and remove citing whatever rule the orginal mod who flaired it used. If it happens to be a long, complicated thread with embedded formatting and hyperlinks, as a courtesy, copy the source text and DM it to the OP so they don't have to rebuild it from scratch if they want to repost it with changes bringing it in line with the rules. You don't have to do that if you believe it to be a nonsensical "amalek" shitpost. In that case, make a note of the removal of the post in our new "Disinfo Tracking Thread" in v/pizzagatemods.
Glad to have you on board the new team Honeybee_!
@think- @ben_matlock @EricKaliberhall @Blacksmith21
When it comes time to
Honeybee_ ago
Thank you, glad to be back ♡ I love the 24 hour flair, that's really fair and is far less daunting than creating a whole new post, love it!
Blacksmith21 ago
Welcome back @Honeybee_
Honeybee_ ago
Thank you ♡