Introducing the 24 Hour Removal Reprieve Flair
A lot of people who care about this sub have had many conversations over the past few months about what can be done to make it run smoothly despite the many difficulties we face. We need submission rules to fight the forum-slider shitposts. We have to administer them consistently to avoid censorship. But many users struggle to craft posts that satisfy them, especially while dealing with anger, frustration and resentment toward mods for removing. We need moderator authority decentralized, yet still effective...Last night, many of those conversations gelled in my brain in a new idea, and @think- and I would like to try it. Here's how it will work:
- Instead of immediately removing posts that fail to meet the submission rules, we will flair them with a 24-hour removal warning, and leave a comment requesting an edit about which rule(s) are at issue. The imperfect post will remain on the board for 24 hours, with the flair.
- The flair will alert all other users that the post is in danger of being removed -- so they can help the OP fix it by supplying links, clarifying the PG connection, explaining things with clearer logic or whatever is missing
- At the end of that time, the post will be automatically removed -- unless the OP responds to the mod comment (not a DM or modmail) to let us know he has edited it and wants the flair removed.
- At that point, mods will reevaluate and either remove the flair, request additional edits, or remove the post
- To avoid a spam tsunami of shitposts, users will only be allowed to have two such flaired threads on the board. Continuing to post threads after you've been flaired for removal will cause you to forfeit the 24 Hour Removal Reprieve. The posts will be removed and the user banned for repeated disregard of the subverse submission rules.
Pros: No more crushing instant deletions and laborious copy-paste resubmissions. All users get the opportunity to moderate the subverse content. Moderators get the opportunity to clearly see community sentiment toward the relevance and value of the subject matter.
Cons: Shitposts stay on the board overnight. (Where they can be downvoated soundly, accruing negative SCP and exposing their purveyors to the appreciation of the community. Ahem. Perhaps this is not a negative!).
The beauty of this approach is that it radically shifts the burden to the users themselves.
Right now, the mods are always the bad guys, with heavy pressure from above* if things aren't removed immediately that violate the rules, and heavy pressure from users if things are summarily removed. Our ruleset is somewhat contrary to the freewheeling expression beloved by Voat at large. Your average Old Goat coming in here to contribute something they think we might be interested in, and getting removed for rule-breaking, is usually shocked, and often complains to ProtectVoat. Understandably.
*Also understandably, because of that anti-rule culture clash, @kevdude @Crensch @VictorSteinerDavion must ensure mods aren't abusing the rules. (Hence the downward pressure lest we mods make the rules look bad). Mods get caught in the middle, and so almost no one wants to take their turn playing dog catcher. Mods are stretched thin and make poorer decisions. The beauty of the 24-hour-flair is it involves the whole community and the user in "Removals" by giving everyone the power to prevent them.
So starting immediately, we are going to try this. Please leave your feedback, ideas, etc. here in the comments, and get involved when you see the new flair and try your hand at modding.
Special thanks to @Disappointed for encouraging new ways of doing things.
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karenrussell63 ago
I think this is a good idea. It essentially allows the poster a chance to correct their mistake. When this issue was talked about in the past I believe the concern was that it would put more work on the mods, so I worry about that becoming an issue.
I have to admit I like the idea of highlighting good posts and also the idea of putting good posts in a submission thread, but as someone who's been affected and annoyed by the rules, I think this is a fair to solution. I know that if asked, I would have been happy to provide additional clarity to ensure my post wouldn't be removed.
There may be a lot of fucks giving the mods crap, and some of it may be appropriate, but from what I've witnessed I feel like you guys are doing a good job.
I don't side with the mods or the users, but with the truth.
ESOTERICshade ago
So now mods have the ability to determine what a "special post" is? This will of course reflect a mod's bias. Not a good idea.
karenrussell63 ago
I start out giving you a fair and neutral opinion, but the more you speak the more I think your a shill. The mods would not be determining what a "special post" is, but indicate a post that is following the very simple rules.
ESOTERICshade ago
Person who seldom ever posts here, I don't care what you think about me. It was a joke because you used the phrase "i feel" and these power trippers around here are famous for saying "fuck your fee fees they don't count." It was a joke.
karenrussell63 ago
Ah. You don't need to care what I think about you unless you're a shill, in which case I'd advise you not to slip up because I'll be watching.
I haven't been able to post here often because I have a life outside of pizzagate and typically only post when I have something to contribute. Fair enough though, as someone who likes to stick to facts I should have phrased it better. I was around when /r/pizzagate was shutdown and a large portion moved to riot, a large portion moved here to voat. Many mods came and went and it's hard to know what all went down.
ESOTERICshade ago
Can't wait :)
I understand. Between shills, internet power trip kings and their alts, and just plain stupid people sometimes it is hard to keep up with who is who unless a person has the time to keep their eyeballs focused on it. And then pizzagate is a weird world anyway which complicates things.
karenrussell63 ago
Just don't be a shill.
I've spent time trying to identify the precise moment when it got it's name, have it narrowed down to within a day or two but data is pretty scarce.
Vindicator ago
KR63, did you see this thread published by the guy who started r/pizzagate? He picked the term when he named that sub. It's a pretty amazing read...how fast it all blew up.
karenrussell63 ago
I had bookmarked it but forgot all about it. Thanks for pointing it out, I bet it will be an interesting read.