Making @kevdude an [O] level mod is directly against the operating rules of this subreddit and I explicitly do not condone this action and I now consider this 'verse corrupt and in the middle of a takeover by corrupt forces.
Kevdude you have 24h from this post to voluntarily resign this position or my assertion of the subverse being corrupt will be validated and I will resign my own position as I cannot in good conscience participate in a sub that is a willing participant in this type of moderator conduct.
Second point:
The two [O] level mods can only in unanimous agreement invite another [O] level mod. (kingkongwaswrong is absentee and considered an automatic nay vote)
I did not endorse or approve this action which makes your position here nonviable and in contravention of the rules of this sub. @crensch I am very disappointed in this unilateral action you have taken and I disagree with it absolutely and unreservedly.
The removal of @millennial_falcon is a violation of the operating method of this sub and is something I consider further evidence of a hostile takeover attempt by external forces.
I consider this an overtly hostile action towards my position here and I am against all and any actions, rule changes and additions to the mod team that have been made without my consultation.
All these changes have been made in an uncharacteristic haste when all previously standing orders have been to apply patience and to wait before making drastic actions as witnessed here. (three days is not enough time to resolve this)
I now consider this entire subverse to be potentially in the hands of the very people I have been trying to work against and I am very disappointed that the derail and destruct attempts by the external forces have shown to be effective in causing this sub to fall into their hands.
And for anyone who thinks @millennial_falcon has done a poor job of moderating, not a single one of you has requested or made an effort to do a better job yourselves.
And in that single failure of action you have all shown your true motivations.
It should have been obvious to all of you that the subverse has been under constant and periodic attack from people with ambiguous motivations and the moderators of this subverse have been targeted for being the scapegoat to bring about exactly these types of changes as a way to open a wedge in the management of the subverse.
The only sensible thing I've seen from all this is the proposed 24h grace period for questionable posts.
That is something I can support.
The people here that are doing the work and care about these children are who you guys should be concerned about. If @Millennial_Falcon has his feelings hurt then welcome to the club. He’s the one that banned many good users and his reason was “Because I can” with his smart ass Pepe the frog meme.
I don’t like @Kevdude or @Crensch. The only reason Millennial_Falcon has been better lately is because his ass has been on the line. People HAVE stepped up and tried to help. As far as myself, there is no way in hell I would want to be a mod here with the current board owners. Not you. I’m talking about Kevdude and Crensch. All they do is stir stuff up, call people names, and label anyone who stands up to them a shill. Good pizzagate posts are removed and non related posts remain.
We the people should have the right to be in a positive environment and have mods and board owners that can be respectful to others. @Vindicator treats people fairly and people are a lot less mean to him. But, even if they are, he has the maturity to let it roll off his back. Even tho @think- and I disagree on certain issues, we’ve always had a mutual respect for each other because he/she could disagree in a respectful manner and is always the peace maker. Kevdude and Crensch say that respect is earned, but they have not shown respect to the respectful ones.
I never argued with a mod or owner for over a year. Then I complained respectfully about a post that was deleted. Kevdude actually handled it well and said it shouldn’t have been removed. That is until Crensch joined the conversation saying that a person I pinged in my post is someone he hates, therefore I was suddenly suspicious in his eyes. He didn’t even know me. That’s when I began backing away and went and started my own sub. I couldnt stand the constant negativity here. You can go back and read what happened the night I complained. It was insane.
They are immature. People have been begging for change. They’ve begged for Millennial_Falcon to be removed. If you care about this board and what it stands for, then you will care about what we want. We’re doing the work.
I understand that Crensch can be abrasive, and I can see how that would put off many users.
Unfortunately by the very nature of this sub it attracts crazies and nutters so the tolerance levels are different for each of us mods.
I made a specific choice way back to conduct myself to a certain standard, and I can see the cost and benefit of how Crensch does their thing.
The key part to understand is: no matter the personal stuff if you believe in the cause stronk enough no amount of slings and arrow will dissuade you from your goal.
I've noted you long standing contribution to the community and I value it as much as I value any serious concerted effort to further the investigation.
Begging for change, or begging for M_F to be removed it to be expected, but begging alone is not enough for me to take any action.
What is needed for action is direct non-ambiguous proof of corruption and so far nobody has provided that.
Even the latest post deletion in question is not enough, as the post that was deleted is actually just another in a long chain of posts I have identified as being planned disruption - and I have instructed M_F and the mod team to delete them accordingly.
If anything, people should be braying for my removal as I'm the one that instituted the policy. M_F was just following orders.
The key part to understand is: no matter the personal stuff if you believe in the cause stronk enough no amount of slings and arrow will dissuade you from your goal.
I've noted you long standing contribution to the community and I value it as much as I value any serious concerted effort to further the investigation.
Begging for change, or begging for M_F to be removed it to be expected, but begging alone is not enough for me to take any action.
This is decent bullshit, which you are absolutely full of up to your eyeballs, but definitely not world class bullshit for sure. Since I spot trolls I could give you some tips on how not to be as obvious but i won't because I find your particular brand of bullshit to be nauseating and it reflects your true self, which is not a pretty site, so I won't.
I understand that Crensch can be abrasive, and I can see how that would put off many users.
Flowery language for "beligerently refuses to solve problems." Your words are worthless and your actions are destructive. Until you prove otherwise you are useless to us.
two more people just told you they want to leave because this place is like a prison camp. good job bro. @cc1914 and @srayzie just spoke. add them to the other roughly three hundred or so people you ran off with your "policies". We do the work here. WE ARE THE SUB and you guys are like absentee slum lords with an attitude. That is how we see you. We want you to just go away.
Thank you for your respectful response. I can see that you have your mind made up so I’m not going to argue about it. I’ll just be attacked by the others.
Exactly why I'm holding back here . He's made up his mind . And according to him MF was just following rules that he made , so we should have asked for his removal not MF ? Whaaat? I'm so done here !
Exactly why I'm holding back here . He's made up his mind . And according to him MF was just following rules that he made , so we should have asked for his removal not MF ? Whaaat? I'm so done here !
The problem is obvious. The mod is a problem. They won't fix it to community satisfaction. I have mulled over the reasons why that would be the case and it comes down to control. If they can't control it they don't want it. Pretending to let the community run the sub is an illusion they create because if they don't like your opinion they have a stock set of reasons to deny your opinion. At all costs they intend to maintain control and anything that threatens their control is something to be neutralized. What is so obvious is that their is a mutiny against these worthless board owners and they have all kinds of reasons why it isn't real.
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VictorSteinerDavion ago
First point:
Making @kevdude an [O] level mod is directly against the operating rules of this subreddit and I explicitly do not condone this action and I now consider this 'verse corrupt and in the middle of a takeover by corrupt forces.
Kevdude you have 24h from this post to voluntarily resign this position or my assertion of the subverse being corrupt will be validated and I will resign my own position as I cannot in good conscience participate in a sub that is a willing participant in this type of moderator conduct.
Second point:
The two [O] level mods can only in unanimous agreement invite another [O] level mod. (kingkongwaswrong is absentee and considered an automatic nay vote)
I did not endorse or approve this action which makes your position here nonviable and in contravention of the rules of this sub.
@crensch I am very disappointed in this unilateral action you have taken and I disagree with it absolutely and unreservedly.
The removal of @millennial_falcon is a violation of the operating method of this sub and is something I consider further evidence of a hostile takeover attempt by external forces.
I consider this an overtly hostile action towards my position here and I am against all and any actions, rule changes and additions to the mod team that have been made without my consultation.
All these changes have been made in an uncharacteristic haste when all previously standing orders have been to apply patience and to wait before making drastic actions as witnessed here. (three days is not enough time to resolve this)
I now consider this entire subverse to be potentially in the hands of the very people I have been trying to work against and I am very disappointed that the derail and destruct attempts by the external forces have shown to be effective in causing this sub to fall into their hands.
And for anyone who thinks @millennial_falcon has done a poor job of moderating, not a single one of you has requested or made an effort to do a better job yourselves.
And in that single failure of action you have all shown your true motivations.
It should have been obvious to all of you that the subverse has been under constant and periodic attack from people with ambiguous motivations and the moderators of this subverse have been targeted for being the scapegoat to bring about exactly these types of changes as a way to open a wedge in the management of the subverse.
The only sensible thing I've seen from all this is the proposed 24h grace period for questionable posts.
That is something I can support.
As for the rest, revert or be shown to be corrupt
srayzie ago
The people here that are doing the work and care about these children are who you guys should be concerned about. If @Millennial_Falcon has his feelings hurt then welcome to the club. He’s the one that banned many good users and his reason was “Because I can” with his smart ass Pepe the frog meme.
I don’t like @Kevdude or @Crensch. The only reason Millennial_Falcon has been better lately is because his ass has been on the line. People HAVE stepped up and tried to help. As far as myself, there is no way in hell I would want to be a mod here with the current board owners. Not you. I’m talking about Kevdude and Crensch. All they do is stir stuff up, call people names, and label anyone who stands up to them a shill. Good pizzagate posts are removed and non related posts remain.
We the people should have the right to be in a positive environment and have mods and board owners that can be respectful to others. @Vindicator treats people fairly and people are a lot less mean to him. But, even if they are, he has the maturity to let it roll off his back. Even tho @think- and I disagree on certain issues, we’ve always had a mutual respect for each other because he/she could disagree in a respectful manner and is always the peace maker. Kevdude and Crensch say that respect is earned, but they have not shown respect to the respectful ones.
I never argued with a mod or owner for over a year. Then I complained respectfully about a post that was deleted. Kevdude actually handled it well and said it shouldn’t have been removed. That is until Crensch joined the conversation saying that a person I pinged in my post is someone he hates, therefore I was suddenly suspicious in his eyes. He didn’t even know me. That’s when I began backing away and went and started my own sub. I couldnt stand the constant negativity here. You can go back and read what happened the night I complained. It was insane.
They are immature. People have been begging for change. They’ve begged for Millennial_Falcon to be removed. If you care about this board and what it stands for, then you will care about what we want. We’re doing the work.
VictorSteinerDavion ago
Thank you for your thoughts.
I understand that Crensch can be abrasive, and I can see how that would put off many users.
Unfortunately by the very nature of this sub it attracts crazies and nutters so the tolerance levels are different for each of us mods.
I made a specific choice way back to conduct myself to a certain standard, and I can see the cost and benefit of how Crensch does their thing.
The key part to understand is: no matter the personal stuff if you believe in the cause stronk enough no amount of slings and arrow will dissuade you from your goal.
I've noted you long standing contribution to the community and I value it as much as I value any serious concerted effort to further the investigation.
Begging for change, or begging for M_F to be removed it to be expected, but begging alone is not enough for me to take any action.
What is needed for action is direct non-ambiguous proof of corruption and so far nobody has provided that.
Even the latest post deletion in question is not enough, as the post that was deleted is actually just another in a long chain of posts I have identified as being planned disruption - and I have instructed M_F and the mod team to delete them accordingly.
If anything, people should be braying for my removal as I'm the one that instituted the policy. M_F was just following orders.
IpointOutTrolls ago
This is decent bullshit, which you are absolutely full of up to your eyeballs, but definitely not world class bullshit for sure. Since I spot trolls I could give you some tips on how not to be as obvious but i won't because I find your particular brand of bullshit to be nauseating and it reflects your true self, which is not a pretty site, so I won't.
dragonkiller ago
Flowery language for "beligerently refuses to solve problems." Your words are worthless and your actions are destructive. Until you prove otherwise you are useless to us.
ESOTERICshade ago
two more people just told you they want to leave because this place is like a prison camp. good job bro. @cc1914 and @srayzie just spoke. add them to the other roughly three hundred or so people you ran off with your "policies". We do the work here. WE ARE THE SUB and you guys are like absentee slum lords with an attitude. That is how we see you. We want you to just go away.
srayzie ago
Thank you for your respectful response. I can see that you have your mind made up so I’m not going to argue about it. I’ll just be attacked by the others.
Cc1914 ago
Exactly why I'm holding back here . He's made up his mind . And according to him MF was just following rules that he made , so we should have asked for his removal not MF ? Whaaat? I'm so done here !
dragonkiller ago
The problem is obvious. The mod is a problem. They won't fix it to community satisfaction. I have mulled over the reasons why that would be the case and it comes down to control. If they can't control it they don't want it. Pretending to let the community run the sub is an illusion they create because if they don't like your opinion they have a stock set of reasons to deny your opinion. At all costs they intend to maintain control and anything that threatens their control is something to be neutralized. What is so obvious is that their is a mutiny against these worthless board owners and they have all kinds of reasons why it isn't real.