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Are_we_sure ago

I guess all this wonderful art has to do with money laundering.

There's never been a scintilla of proof of the money-laundering schemes alleged on VOAT--that high prices for modern art are a way of hiding money laundering.

In fact the case I have seen for art involved in money-laudering involve UNDERPRICING THE ART to avoid import taxes or to be able to move large sums across border in physical way----take a $5 million painting to customs and declare it at $200,000, then resell it at its actual value and pocket the cash.

These second type of scheme and indeed the entire art market involves the art actually fetching high prices outside of any criminal scheme.

AngB23 ago

Hhmmmmm.....I thought this was pretty much common knowledge. What better way to launder money than through art where only the elite are invited to private auction houses

“According to the air bill slapped on the crate that arrived at Kennedy International Airport from London, an unnamed painting worth $100 was inside. Only later did federal investigators discover that it was by the American artist Jean-Michel Basquiat and worth $8 million.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/arts/design/art-proves-attractive-refuge-for-money-launderers.html

“Although art collectors will pay hefty sums for aesthetic reasons, high art prices and secretive auction sales have also become a prime money laundering vehicle.

Money laundering in the high-end art world happens in two primary ways:”

http://jansentax.com/art-money-laundering/

“Laundering Drug Money With Art”

https://www.forbes.com/2003/04/08/cx_0408hot.html#31bec91866fc

Are_we_sure ago

“According to the air bill slapped on the crate that arrived at Kennedy International Airport from London, an unnamed painting worth $100 was inside. Only later did federal investigators discover that it was by the American artist Jean-Michel Basquiat and worth $8 million.”

That confirms the type of money laundering I was talking about, Laundering based on the ACTUAL Value of art and the actual art market.

A. Taking dirty drug money and making it clean B. Undervaluing painting to move large sums across borders.

Note that the Basquiat painting is actually worth $8 million dollars.

What folks on here have talking about is a completely different form of money laundering, IMAGINARY VALUE of art. They are saying there's no way a Basquiat painting could be worth $8 million and the only reason that much money is changing hands is for bribes. They are talking about paying someone $8 million dollars for a painting that is NOT WORTH that amount. It's the opposite of real world art crimes. It's a fantasy.

bopper ago

You and I aren't privy, because there's no "evidence" to us doesn't mean speculation is not warranted.

What do you think, is Adam Schiff a creep or what? Be honest, I have to log off soon. How about Q, you like Q ?

Are_we_sure ago

....doesn't mean speculation is not warranted.

Yes, but theory being speculated about makes no sense. If I sell you a 1,000 dollar painting for 600K because it's really about moving money from elsewhere, and you try to sell that painting you're not going to get 600K for it. You're now out 600K. You don't actually see these wild price fluctutations in the art market. Prices are far more stable. If art was being moved at high prices for which there was no demand for that art, you'd see wild fluctutations all the time.

No I don't think Adam Schiff is a creep.

Q is fantasy.

Yuke ago

If it's about moving money from elsewhere then you wouldn't expect to sell the painting for $600k yourself, you just surreptitiously moved $600k of your money elsewhere, i.e; paid for something off the books. It's not about what you can then make from it. The reason why the art market is perfect for this kind of money movement is because the prices aren't set in stone like many other goods, and what, on the surface, looks like an innocent purchase of art, underneath can be easy bribes and laundering, and so on, and nobody would really know except for the people directly involved in the sale.

AngB23 ago

^^^^^^BINGO^^^^^^

Also, can use art for other sales: drugs, HumanTrafficking, CP.....

urbanmoving ago

Hey that pillow was heavy...

bopper ago

Well if Scalia was that screwed up what was he doing a million miles from home in the middle of nowhere. And this is nowhere trust me I been there several times. And no autopsy. In Texas. But that wouldn't bother you cause you're not concerned they stole JFK from Parkland, weapons drawn, eyewitness testimony, defying Texas law.

Are_we_sure ago

You're majoring on minors

???

And remember how nice I have treated you okay? ???

You don't have to have an autopsy when an old person in poor health and heart problems dies in his sleep and no signs of foul play.

think- ago

You don't have to have an autopsy when an old person in poor health and heart problems dies in his sleep and no signs of foul play.

ROFLMAO

Are_we_sure ago

Why does that fact surprise you. It's the truth in the majority of deaths in the US.

bopper ago

This is a famous supreme court justice you dummy. Who died in Texas. With initial conflicting reports about the positioning of the pillow.

Are_we_sure ago

And .....so? Because he's a justice, we should overnturn the law and his family's wishes?

The only initial conflicting report about where the pillow was found was from the rancher who clarified what he said when asked a direct question. He's never changed his story. The controversy was basically manufactured.

bopper ago

Texas law requires autopsy unless it's been changed, and we should have learned via Kennedy to obtain one for such high profile people, and all Congressional members should undergo drug testing. Now get on the Q train.

Are_we_sure ago

Texas law requires autopsy unless it's been changed,

That is not the case. In these very large, sparsely populated counties, the Justice of the Peace can be hundreds of miles away. Given that there were not suspicious circumstances, she was able to proclaim cause of death by speaking with the law enforcement on the scene and his doctor. He was in very poor health. His family did not want an autopsy.

The Texas judge who pronounced Justice Antonin Scalia dead over the weekend but did not request an autopsy defended her decision Tuesday in the face of questions and conspiracy theories floating online, saying she was respecting the wishes of his relatives.

After Scalia died suddenly at a remote West Texas resort, a chaotic and confused scene unfolded in the remote region not far from the border with Mexico. It took hours to find a justice of the peace, and when they did, Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara pronounced Scalia dead without seeing his body, which is allowed under Texas law.

This decision was made based on what Scalia’s family wanted and what she was told by a law enforcement official, Guevara said.

Guevara decided against the autopsy after the county sheriff told her “there were no signs of foul play or struggle, and that it appeared that Justice Scalia had died peacefully in his sleep,” she said in a statement Tuesday.

....After that, Guevara said, she reached out to Scalia’s attorney, who said “that the family requested that there be no autopsy, that they believed Justice Scalia had died of natural causes, and they preferred there be no delay in the return of Justice Scalia’s remains to Virginia.”

She then reached out to Scalia’s personal doctor, who “stated that he believed that the death was due to natural causes,” according to Guevara.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/02/16/texas-judge-defends-decision-not-to-order-autopsy-for-justice-scalia/?utm_term=.94b1b833159b

Kennedy of course, did have an autopsy.

bopper ago

Yeah I know all this.

Are_we__sure ago

But you're such a normie.

I always think this is hiliarious when used as an insult. So I"m an non-paranoaic? I"m not austistic? What does that even mean?

Citing WaPo gets you no brownie points round here.

Think that concerns me?

we're about to get some truth

A boy can dream.

bopper ago

The old saying if you don't know who the sucker is in the room it's probably ... that's a normie. Blind sheep. Pollyanna's. It's okay my wife is a normie. You could use a little paranoia. You think everything's okay, it's all good, nothing to see, nothing wrong. While Rome burns. I'm still trying to get you fixed.

Are_we__sure ago

The old saying if you don't know who the sucker is in the room it's probably ... that's a normie.

Actually I've found that folks on this site are absolute suckers for the likes of Alex Jones or George Webb or YourNewsWire....etc, etc, etc, or various Anons. Unbelievably gullible over and over and over again.

You think everything's okay, Actually that's not me at all. I don't think everything's OK, but I understand the difference between actual skepticism and the nihilistic,cynicism that passed off by people who think of themselves as more highly discerning. In reality, there response are absolutely knee-jerk and they have tossed all discernment out the window about with the bathwater and the baby.

bopper ago

I know, there are some nuts on here, the quality of the site has gone down, of the posters, but Qanon is helping to reinvigorate. You do think basically everybody in govt. is fairly well intentioned, good hearted, etc. That the world is not ensconced in evil. Should you not think outside the box a bit more, do more abstract thinking. Also, have you considered working for yourself. Also, how do you stand getting attacked and downvoted so much here?

bopper ago

You puzzle me. And remember, I treat you better than anybody here. But if you can't get past the Warren Commission being a work of fiction then there's just no hope.

urbanmoving ago

Limo stop, proven. So what is this Zapruder bs? Its a reworked fabricated pile of visual trash, Nix said his film was butchered and edited, as did ALL THE OTHERS that GOT their film back....narrative control..My Namesake ;)

bopper ago

What's scary is that I think this person, Are we sure, actually really believes Oswald "acted alone." Oswald didn't even "act."

urbanmoving ago

Oswald stood in a doorway

bopper ago

Yes I've heard that, it's still kind of controversial.