Our fearless, alpine golfing owner and admin has requested community feedback about his proposed new infrastructure designed to empower users and make Voat more subject to votes. In his words:
I have always longed to empower the community content producers (submitters and commenters) rather than to centralize moderator power. It has always bothered me that a community can be hijacked by a single person or small group. It is my hope that this feature will make us all stakeholders and prevent some of the most obvious problems with platforms such as these.
I wish I had a nice thumbnail summary of the new capabilities, but I was not able to find one. It's still in the experimental stage. An earlier post on the subject from Putt is here: https://voat.co/v/voatdev/2358972
Please read his stickied v/voatdev post and share your comments on his thread. I highly recommend thorough perusal of the comments there so far, as this will be a huge change.
Additional discussion of potential manipulation by shills and other concerns can be found and contributed to here:
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Vindicator ago
Pretty much what has already been stated about long con type operations. I couldn't find a clear outline of what all it will entail and how much it might impact v/pizzagate (from what I read, some of the options might not apply to all subverses), so my concerns are only vague in nature.
The "tyranny of the majority" is a valid point IMHO. v/pizzagate has a number of very different and distinct sub-groups who are drawn together by their common anger about child sexual exploitation and the corruption and destruction of America's organizations and institutions. There are the Christians who tend to be most concerned with the Satanic aspects of PG. There are the conservative patriots appalled at the use of American might (many are vets or law enforcement) to enable PG. There are the abuse survivors (or friends/family thereof) who want justice but struggle with PTSD and rage. There are the Catholics who know too well the horrors of PG and are determined to put an end to it, but who fear being targeted personally by fellow Voaters because of priest abuse. There are the BernieBros who want to see Hillary fry. There are the once-Democrat idealists who don't like Republicans or Trump and are just here for the kids. There are the Trump lovers from T_D for whom he can do no wrong -- and the utterly disillusioned conspiracists who want to burst the bubble of anyone pro-Trump or pro-America. I don't have a clear sense of what proportion of our members fall into these groupings, but all these voices have a right to speak, and some of them want to silence others. Depending on how the voting system works, it could be problematic.
I guess the biggest concern I have at the moment is how it will effect the selection of mods. It's difficult to find mods for v/pizzagate. The people who WANT to take the heat tend to have a particular agenda they are passionate about (that dominates their comment history -- such as the groups I just mentioned) and it's hard to mod effectively when that is the case. But the dispassionate, critical thinkers tend to not want to become am official Designated Asshole, due to the vicious attacks of shills and the general dissatisfaction of legit members with current moderation. It's not clear how the new voting powers will change how people become mods or get the boot, but shills will definitely try to turn it to their advantage. Sometimes I wish it was a random, rotating assignment like jury duty. :-)
My hope is that the "poll" feature will lead to a great improvement in allowing subverse members to articulate and shape the way they want the sub to function and lead to a much higher satisfaction level. I actually see that benefit as far more likely to have a large impact, so I'm kind of excited to use it.
I do wish it were possible to limit people to one alt Voatwide at a time, though, to prevent gaming the system. Or perhaps have Voat show all of a user's alts on one profile page so they are accountable.
think- ago
Thank you for this comment. I think most people don't realize how diverse this community is.
Would you consider making a discussion post based on this comment and sticky it?
I think it's important that before the voting system will be set in place that people on this sub realize that we all come from different backgrounds.
Currently, all frustrations are projected on the mods. What people don't realize is, that even when there might be additional mods or mods will be sacked due to the voting system, this subverse still might not change the way they want it to be, due to the different factions of users here.
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