Our fearless, alpine golfing owner and admin has requested community feedback about his proposed new infrastructure designed to empower users and make Voat more subject to votes. In his words:
I have always longed to empower the community content producers (submitters and commenters) rather than to centralize moderator power. It has always bothered me that a community can be hijacked by a single person or small group. It is my hope that this feature will make us all stakeholders and prevent some of the most obvious problems with platforms such as these.
I wish I had a nice thumbnail summary of the new capabilities, but I was not able to find one. It's still in the experimental stage. An earlier post on the subject from Putt is here: https://voat.co/v/voatdev/2358972
Please read his stickied v/voatdev post and share your comments on his thread. I highly recommend thorough perusal of the comments there so far, as this will be a huge change.
Additional discussion of potential manipulation by shills and other concerns can be found and contributed to here:
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Cc1914 ago
" putting power in the hands of users " haha that's a good one ! I know your just passing along info but this made me rotf laughing !
ESOTERICshade ago
They already created a situation where you can create a sub and only certain users can down vote. That was supposedly to stop vote farming but it won't thwart vote farming and it hasn't. Try down voting in v/pizzagatemods. You can't do it and you will never be able to do it, ever. Only people that accrued points in that sub before they put a 10 CPP limit on the sub can. You have to have 10 CPP to down vote in that sub. But now that they set that 10 CPP rule YOU will never gain those ten points because the system won't add them. So if you get down voted in v/pizzagatemods its not your fellow board members. It s small group of users that got their points in the sub and then rigged the sub so that you will never be able to downvote the mods. Pretty sneaky.
Cc1914 ago
Oh ya ..I've tried downvoating in v/pizzagatemods before and no can do .. I have resolved in my own mind that things around here are not going to change just like they aren't gonna change ( for real ) outside of cyberspace . It's gotten so old , and is why we've lost so many good researchers . Its a complete joke how some mods in particular , think they are somehow authority over all opinion here !
Vindicator ago
Why can't you get 10 CPP in v/pizzagatemods? Just make some comments. I don't see the problem.
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think- ago
I made a comment, and got one upvoat, but my CCP are still 0.
ESOTERICshade ago
It should always stay at zero too because of that 10 CPP limit. You should never gain that ten points. I don't why they would change the code to allow that because it won't stop vote farming.
ESOTERICshade ago
Remember we went through this when we talked about setting a CPP limit in this sub. Me, you, and kevdude tried to explain to people that if the CPP is set above zero nobody from that moment forward can accure points in that particular sub.
Vindicator ago
Interesting. Yes, I do remember that.
I just made an experimental comment there to see if it changed my CCP. It was at 21 before the comment. Hasn't changed yet, but I don't know how often the cache is updated. I know it hasn't been right away since before the port. I will check it tomorrow.
ESOTERICshade ago
I think I understand what you are trying to do now. In the mod sub it tells you how many cpp points you have in tiny letters in the sidebar. If the CPP in the sidebar still functions like it did when we ran that test for everybody you should not gain any cpp. Weird thing about the test sub we did was that the minimum cpp never showed up in the sidebar but it still would not add points because the mod dashboard clearly had that function turned on and it didn't add any points even when comments were up voted. Maybe it did not show up in the sidebar because of a code bug. Not sure.
ESOTERICshade ago
Also, somebody might up vote a comment of yours tonight so how would you know which was which?
ESOTERICshade ago
You are getting out of my league now because I don't know how that would work in multiple subs because I didn't try it. I guess its possible that you might get that point but it won't count for that sub? I ran my test in a controlled environment with a brand new user name and only commented in that test sub. That way we knew exactly what we were dealing with. How that will pan out over multiple subs is out of my league. That user name I used has never commented again or been used I don't think.
think- ago
Sorry, I don't understand either.
On the pizzagate sub you have to gain 100 CCP before you can downvote, on the v/pizzagatemods you have to gain 10 before you can downvote - what is the difference?
Someone who starts here on v/pizzagate with 0 CCP will be able to downvote once he/she will have 100 CCP, but on v/pizzagatemods he won't be able to downvote once he got 10 CCP? I'm confused.
ESOTERICshade ago
Look in the sidebar of v/pizzagate. You don't see a voting CPP requirement. What you are talking about is a global voat wide deal. That 100 CPP is for all of voat and every sub. What I am talking about is different. Look in the sidebar of v/pizzagatemods and it says 10 CPP and it will tell you that your CPP is zero. You don't see a minimum CPP in v/pizzagate though. If you see a minimum number in a sub you will never gain any CPP in that sub, ever.