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Votescam ago

Fact --

Good grief. Burstyn had to go and ruin it with a non sequitur about Trump As if the tape that "he made" had anything at all to do with child rape.

Trust that's merely sarcasm ...?

Factfinder2 ago

I'm not sure what you think I wrote. I'll be more explicit and hope that helps:

Good grief. Burstyn had to go and ruin a great thing (the movie putting child rape in the spotlight and also her talking about the horror of exploitation of innocence and how it's time for it to stop, even crying about it). The way she ruined it was by dragging Trump into it with a dumb statement that doesn't even make sense--that the tape Trump made (he didn't make the tape) was the straw that broke the camel's back (which it wasn't because the tape didn't have anything to do with child rape).

Votescam ago

Fact --

What I was asking was, did you agree with Burstyn or not?

The way she ruined it was by dragging Trump into it with a dumb statement that doesn't even make sense--that the tape Trump made (he didn't make the tape) was the straw that broke the camel's back (which it wasn't because the tape didn't have anything to do with child rape).>

Trump did "made a tape" in the sense that he spoke on the tape about his inability to control himself sexually around beautiful women.

Trump made clear that he regularly would go up to beautiful women, kiss them and also "grab them by the pussy."

Burstyn is commenting NOW on a man who has since reached the Oval Office. And you see no connection to Trump's confession about his own sexual aggressiveness towards women he encounters and the recent revelations about sexual harassment and rape as revealed by women over the last week?

When Burstyn says Trump's tape was "the straw that broke the camel's back" what she means is that it is so outrageous that someone like Trump reached the White House that it very likely caused women to begin to tell their stories of sexual harassment and rape by men like Trump -- celebrities.

Sexual harassment and rape -- and what Trump describes he is doing to women -- are able to occur in our patriarchal societies because women are still unequal, still without equal power and thus without equal protection in our male-dominated societies -- and very importantly without power within our male-dominated government.

Re this .... (which it wasn't because the tape didn't have anything to do with child rape).

When women can so easily be sexual harassed, raped and sexually abused by males in our societies ... so can children. Women/Mothers do not have the power, therefore, to protect their children from sexual abuse by males.
And sex trafficking of children in America is a clear sign of that reality here and globally.

Further, many have commented on Trump's very odd behavior to his daughter Avanka - -calling her "baby" today. Having made previous comments about her allure.
For a father/parent it's inappropriate comment/behavior.

On the other hand, I'm much happier when Trump is spouting off ridiculously and telling the world who he is and what he's all about. It's helpful in many ways for the world to see him as he is ... though it may be highly embarrassing for Americans everywhere.

Hortance ago

Big lie in there....Trump didn't grab anyone by the pussy or say he did. Ever.
Trump was mocking the whores that throw themselves at famous people, saying that if he wanted to, he COULD go up and grab em by the pussy and they'd let him. Claiming Trump actually DID grab pussies is a stupid, willfully-ignorant smear of grade-school-level sophistication. The MORE interesting part of the story is that :

  1. Billy Bush, a member of the Bush clan, taped this secretly in 2005....2005!!.....W was already President...the Bushes were ALREADY planning for little Jebburito to run, and wanted to clear the potential field.

  2. This was no interview. Billy was wired like a snitch. Billy introduced the subject of women throwing themselves at him, and spoke so badly about women that the network he was working for in 2016 fired him for those comments made 11 years earlier.. He totally set up Trump to get an obnoxious comment from him. Funny they never made the whole tape available.....

This is more evidence that Trump is not a member of the swamp, and that the Bush crime family considered him an enemy 11 yrs prior to the last election.

Votescam ago

Hort --

Trump on videotape ....

“You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”

“And when you’re a star, they let you do it,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

“Whatever you want,” says another voice, apparently Bush’s.

“Grab them by the p---y,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?utm_term=.9543f0a0408e

Actually, the guy who wrote "Fury and Fire" is pretty much suggesting that Trump is already involved in another affair right now.

It looks like Melania hates his guts ....

She probably knows it would be dangerous for her to even try to leave -- especially that she has a son with the Moron.

Trump is a fascist -- as becomes more obvious every day.

Hortance ago

YOU said in your post that he'd actually grabbed em by the pussy, so you are already in the stocks for overstating your case. Pieces of conversations aren't convincing either. So he talked like lots of men do in private at the gym or a men's club. PLUS he was "encouraged" by an agenda-driven Bushite.

Yeah, some guy says he's having an affair now...oh, and Melania looks like she hates him....fricking TIRED and PETTY as hell crap from tea-leaf readers. The fact you're focused on this stupidity shows how petty and small you are.

And then another bald, unsupported assertion.....So how exactly is Trump a facist? This should be good....

Votescam ago

Hort --

Who knows what Trump actually does ... he can't control his mouth and he says he can't control himself sexually ... and he was advocating that he could "grab 'em by the pussy."

I find what Trump says all on his own to be quite revealing of who he truly is -- which is generally disgusting. Someone who "talks this way about women" should not be in the Oval Office. Trump is a grown up man responsible for his own behavior and what comes out of his own mouth. And generally his mouth is a cesspool -- showing us that so is his mind a cesspool.

Sorry .. but when a First Lady looks threatened by the guy she's married to it is everyone's business. Recall Ivana's story of Trump's rape of her -- after a rage about some plastic surgery he'd had on his head ... beat her first. Yes ... she denies it now but was part of divorce hearing.

Trump supports authoritarian ideas -- fascism. He's a bully from start to finish just as Hitler was.

This is not someone who is interested in democracy or equality -- or respect and protection for all of the people. This is a rich billionaire interested in sopping up the wealth of the nation for himself and other Elites/wealthy.

The attempt to overturn reproductive freedom is, of course, but one example -- but he looks and acts like a "white-supremacist" ... and he is of course a criminal. Where are his tax returns? Why are we paying $20 million every weekend for him to go to Florida? How many bankruptcies? And how many investigations of him right now? How many women have accused him of inappropriate sexual behavior, sexual abuse? -- 17-18?

Hortance ago

How is Trump worse than Obama? Who put his Mother-in-law in the White House at taxpayer expense....practitioner of Santeria, she sacrificed a CHICKEN in the White House. Barry has a long history of drug abuse AND DEALING. Plus there's the Man Country membership in Chicago, and all those other stories.... Is Trump worse than Hillary? Ever get a load of the way she conducted herself in the White House the FIRST time she was there? A RAGE machine, vicious and deadly..there's a list, you know....

"when a First LAdy looks threatened"...thats just the purest crap imaginable. Compared to the beast that was wiggling her ass and fist-pumping the last 8 years? She acts like a LAdy, all the time. You don't have any IDEA what she's thinking. Again, there's that pettiness.... Rational people don't make public assertions about character by "reading" tea leaves like that.

And another thing rational people don't do is fail to take what's offered in a DIVORCE proceeding with a grain of salt...especially when the lady retracts the statements as being from an emotional (she didn't want the divorce) place while negotiating. Plus they have a great relationship now, she endorsed his candidacy and denied her divorce charge was true....You, latching on and deciding to believe the repudiated story are, again, being petty as hell.

Love your last paragraph-- the scattershot, angry muddled non-rational thinking of a hard-core Lefty.

How about the ONE question I asked you---how is Trump a Fascist? A big charge, no examples even offered..... You really think you covered that with "Trump supports authoritarian ideas" and he's a "bully"? REALLY?

I was asking for an example....Fascism would have actual POLICY behind it....what policies are fascist? You can't support the bald, unsupported assertions of "fascism" that you made in your prior post by making ADDITIONAL bald, unsupported assertions. I'm still waiting.

Just because fascism sounds bad doesn't make it a good club to use on everything. I question if you know what it means. Let me help: When Obama circumvented normal bankruptcy procedures in order to FUCK GM bondholders, who should have gotten paid off FIRST in bankruptcy...thats FASCISM. When he gifts the company to the union, THAT'S fascism. When he leaves Federal Government "minders" in paid positions at GM, to report back to him and represent the Obama Administration at the company? THAT'S Fascism.

You, thinking Trump sounds like a "bully"? Doesn't cut it. POLICY, please?

Votescam ago

Hort --

BOTH national parties are controlled by the same Elite/wealthy; no difference between them or their corporate-fascist candidates.
BOTH parties are responsible for fascism here. And likely that Obama was CIA . . . in fact, it may be that Obama, Hillary and Bill were in MKULTRA program.

We would all be fools to ignore what Ivana said about Trump in the divorce - and it was a very detailed and painful story of being beaten by The Donald and then raped.

Trump continues the assault on labor and women -- on reproductive freedom -- that's fascism.

He's also obviously a sexual abuser of women -- which is done to exert power and control over women.

This is not a man interested in democracy -- as his racism also makes clear.

You don't think that expanding demands for more intelligence/surveillance of the American public is fascism?

You don't think that warmongering all over the world is fascism? How many "illegal wars of aggression" does the US/CIA already have going?

You make clear where you've been hanging out and getting "educated" ... what you sum up is that if democracies attempt to reign in corporate-fascism then that's fascism . . . !!! Good circular thinking. Look up corporate-fascism.

Trump is an authoritarian fascist trying to exert his will on the nation -- racism, sexism and homophobia. All while attacking the most vulnerable citizens among us - children, seniors, handicapped. He's a bully and always will be.

This is a liberal nation which wants to be Norway ... under the rule of fascism today.

Hortance ago

Unrealistic and agenda-driven.

BOTH national parties are against Trump. If they're fascist, why do they oppose him so overtly? When was the last time the leadership of a party turned on their own (elected by rank and file) candidate and tried to cause him to LOSE?

Ivana said she voted for Trump. BTW--that divorce is just about the only mistake I've ever heard Trump admit to....Their relationship is good, as reported by BOTH.

Trump is assaulting labor? He's CHAMPIONING blue collar workers by evicting illegals, and wages are RISING, a stated goal from the campaign. Its the REAL globalist fascists in both parties that are waging war on Labor. Trump WON because the blue collar vote understood that, believed him, and its paying off for them.

ABORTION? If being pro-life is fascism...well, at least we all know who we're dealing with now.... BTW, according to a big Gallup poll in late 2016, 46% of Americans call themselves "pro-life". 47% call abortion "immoral". Just to demonstrate how ASININE it is to call pro-lifers "fascists".

Last, you try to support the Obama Administration's takeover of both the banks and the auto industry as merely "reigning in" corporate fascism.....that is so fucking dishonest...its a slick lie. Appropriating entire industries is GOVERNMENT fascism. Do you think Federal fascism would necessarily include a complete takeover, and a change of GM's name to "Obama Motors" or something??.....the rules and the implanted "minders" (banks have them as well!!) ARE government fascism.

Trying to "exert his will" is more horse-s--t..... NAME a single policy that Trump is trying to implement that he DIDN'T run on during the election. You can't. Americans VOTED for that agenda. The fact that Trump won doesn't make you snowflakes into victims. Grow up.

Votescam ago

Where does the GOP oppose Trump? Have they censored him in any way? Have they responded to calls from citizens to limit his access to nuclear codes?

Have they stopped him from charging us $20 million every time he goes to Florida?

Have they forced him to supply his tax filings?

Elites who own both parties do not always agree -- Koch Bros. for instance/John Birch Society said that they thought Trump was too "volatile." Think most of us would agree with that.

Ivana's vote is secret -- no one can prove who she voted for.

Trump has $300 million .. is that the figure. That would be intimidating to any ex-wife. And I imagine it is also intimidating for Melania, especially since she has a son to think about.

Trump is damaging labor -- in every way possible -- wake up to reality. Are you going to take the job that some "illegal immigrant" leaves? It's Elites who profit from this illegal immigration. And it could be stopped immediately by doing what other nations do -- create an INSTANT SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK... Yet, our government continues to refuse to do that.

Wages are rising because we had an 8 year depression -- which Obama brought to an end two years before he left office -- not because anyone cares about the people, but probably to try to help the Dem Party which he largely destroyed. That's a huge backlog of things the public needs.

Americans support abortion and reproductive freedom ... and more than 50% of Americans support simple CHOICE. If you have a link to your "Gallup statistics" I'd like to see it ... as even Catholic women have abortions and just as many abortions as any other women. Catholic women in Ireland travel to the UK by the 100's every week to get abortions. So who is it you don't think are having abortions?

Anyone who wants to try to impose their religious beliefs on someone else by using the government to do it ... is a fascist.

Look for the mention of "corporations" in the Constitution. Let me know if you find it. What do you think fascism was in Italy except corporate-fascism?

Corporations exist to serve the public -- but what they're doing is serving themselves with high levels of criminality.

But presume you do think that corporations are people?

How about National health Care for ALL which this nation has been crying out for over decades now. How about Americans not supporting these "illegal wars of aggression" or the MIC/Intelligence Complex? How about our government permitting spying on citizens?

No one voted for Trump's agenda ... he lost by 300 million votes.

Our elections are also by the way "rigged."

Our American banks are laundering a half TRILLION $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of drug money every year.

Hortance ago

You're nuts. Besides arguing BOTH sides of some issues ...Trump lost by 300 million votes?

Votescam ago

Donald Trump lost the popular vote by 2.8 million. Most Republicans are convinced he won. https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-lost-the-popular-vote-by-2-8-million-most-republicans-are-convinced-he-won-b0d8d3c0a0b0/

Ultimately, I think it was 300 million.

Our Elections have long been under corporate control in service of Elites/wealthy They are toss up corporate candidates, largely criminals. We are at the bottom of the barrel of it all now -- Trump is a perfect example of that.

Hillary, no better.