Many LGBT+ individuals support Alfred C. Kinsey's work. We had many pro-nambla bands at a specific venue I worked at. Some of their song lyrics were horrid. I wanted to hide in the corner and cry. I could not imagine what they do in private, though I figured a large majority of the members were sexually abused in the past. Moreover, an example of Kinsey's idealogy is the following quote by him; the leader of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) in 1981.
"Gay liberationists in general, and boy-lovers in particular, should know Kinsey's work and hold it dear.... implicit in Kinsey is the struggle we fight today.1" North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) 1981
Most people are fine with transgenders, gay people, etc. I am, I have no beef with what they find most natural or what they do in private. However, it seems most gay activists dismiss concerns of child sexual abuse–in part, by strenuously insisting that there is no connection between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of children.
That being said sexual abuse of boys appears to be common, underreported, underrecognized, and undertreated. Homosexual males molest boy victims far more often than heterosexual males molest girl victims. Psychologist Eugene Abel reported homosexuals, "sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls."
The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering. 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.
Nonincarcerated child molesters admitted to from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender....whose targets were males" (Abel et. al., at 32-50. 44, 48)."37
The 1991, US Population, Statistical Abstracts data are compared to the accepted child sex abuse data.
1-2 million homosexual men, who comprise a very small percentage of the male population, managed to sexually abuse 6 to 8 million boys under the age of 18. Approximately the same number of girls were abused during the same time frame. However, it took 86-88 million heterosexual men to prey on that number of girls. Again, the data demonstrate that the rate of homosexual molestation of boys greatly outstrips the rate of heterosexual molestation of girls.
Since 100% of homosexual males do not sexually assault boys, and as you and I know, the majority are probably nice people: a vast subset of this highly cohesive population commits multiple, repeated child sex offenses. And I think I've worked among them. The homosexual population has been internationally identified in France, England and the USA as between 1% and 3% (in a range of 1.5% to 2%).38
This data illustrates that 2% homosexual population harbors a vast pederast boy abuse subculture, a public health problem of immense proportions that has been ignored.
Scroll down to the exerpt on Hunter S. Thompson, who talked openly about pedo cults and very likely could have been on of them...
https://steemit.com/news/@whitedeer9217/the-body-and-ritual-abuse-pt-1-comparing-gurdjieff-s-fourth-way-maria-abramovic-s-method
And while many homosexuals may not seek young sexual partners, the evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of gay men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners or twinks as the trans punk bands like to call them. And yes, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.
Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men.
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Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls).
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The 10 percent fallacy: Studies indicate that, contrary to the inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population. As I mentioned before Kinsey is a very shady fella.
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Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.
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Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of “boy-lovers” to be a legitimate gay rights issue.
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Pedophile themes abound in homosexual literary culture: Gay fiction as well as serious academic treatises promote “intergenerational intimacy.”
I'd also look into the percentage of sexual partners of homosexuals vs. heterosexuals. The data also shows a disparity of immense proportions.
Lastly, statistics documenting transgender people's experience of sexual violence indicate shockingly high levels of sexual abuse and assault. One in two transgender individuals are sexually abused or assaulted at some point in their lives.1 Some reports estimate that transgender survivors may experience rates of sexual assault up to 66 percent, often coupled with physical assaults or abuse.2 This indicates that the majority of transgender individuals are living with the aftermath of trauma and the fear of possible repeat victimization.
https://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_notes.html#_edn2
https://www.ovc.gov/pubs/forge/sexual_notes.html#_edn1
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Votescam ago
Part II --
Heterosexual-apologists are still trying to deny that heterosexuals are our sexual abusers of children.
Studies suggest that pedophiles actually have no sexual orientation but they do obviously have preferences. Our "situational" pedophiles, however, are heterosexual. They are men who prefer sexual relations with adult females, but when an adult female is not available, they will sexually abuse a child -- often a female -- but they will rape any child; even an infant.
Females are sexually abused at the rate of about 82% and Males at about 12%.
However, the statistics clearly show that heterosexuals are majorly involved in sexual abuse of children. While, imo, it is still impossible to determine what the actual percentage of homosexuals in our populations may be because so many still remain in "the closet."
However, the debate seems inane at any rate based in alleged percentages of the population.
And, there are many other reasons which increase homosexuality in our populations -- for one bi-sexuality which is generally still largely unacknowledged and under-discussed.
Not only is bi-sexuality a factor -- but the simple reality that as Kinsey has pointed out on a scale of heterosexuals and homosexuals, the great middle of the scale is varying degrees of hetero and homo sexuality And that vast middle provides an immense area where homosexual activity increases in the population.
For example ... During the AIDS crisis, in Brazil -- a Catholic country where knowledge of human sexuality is limited by the Church .... Heterosexual women in heterosexual marriages were reportedly coming down with the virus though they were neither having affairs nor drug users. Eventually, the Brazilian Doctors discovered that Brazilian males -- 30% of them -- engage in homosexual relations with other males. Something those Doctors and all of Brazilian society had no idea about!
However, homosexuals have also always suggested that they are at the minimum 20% of our populations. When we include the many other possibilities which can increase homosexual behavior by adult males, the numbers are of course much higher.
This is correct: **Men Account for Almost All Sexual Abuse of Children Cases **·
And, this is also an interesting statistic which should be emphasized here ... **Indeed, with 3,000 adult male sex offenders in prison in England and Wales at any one time, the corresponding figure for female sex offenders is 12!”
I agree as it's very clear from all studies that females are NOT our sexual abusers of children .... UNLESS they come under the influence of a heterosexual male
Kee MacFarlane, et al., writing in Sexual Abuse of Young Children: Evaluation and Treatment report:”The large majority of sexual perpetrators appear to be males (Herman and Hirschman, 1981; Lindholm and Willey, 1983).”
·** A report by the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children states: “In both clinical and non-clinical samples, the vast majority of offenders are male.”**·
A study in the Journal of Sex Research states that “pedophilia does not exist, or is extremely rare, in women.”
Since the rise of the right wing here, we have seen increasing sex trafficking in both adult females, young males and children. I don't think we can really say that that information on numbers is really available to those who do research on these questions. I very much imagine that there are larger numbers of male victims, however they are no more "embarrassed" nor reluctant to report sexual abuse than females may be. And, as we can see from the news, probably hundreds of women are reporting sexual abuse going back decades, but only a very small numbers of males are reporting it. Only time will tell what the true numbers may be. In Saudi Arabi, clearly, the sexual abuse of males will exceed that of females. But, then again, do we really know how many females in Saudi Arabia are sexually abused by males there?
**What we do know is that MALES are our sexual abusers of children and studies show that they are heterosexual males.
That's enough for this forum to deal with right now.**
Da-Cat ago
As already pointed out in this thread, males underreport homosexual molestation because of the stigma of "losing their manhood" & being seen as no longer hetero. It is unnatural sex to "normals".
As far as women molesting underage males, while it doesn't get much publicity in some cultures females fondle young males to get them to sleep, also we see constant stories of female teachers having sex with students, usually revealed by gossip. Well not all get caught as some teens will keep it secret & go along with it. While the latter is a grey area re consent whether male or female molestation of underage males is likely way underreported compared to females, who show loss of virginity in standard physical exams.
Votescam ago
Da-Cat --
It's long time history that females also underreport sexual abuse and sexual harassment. So what's the point?
And you think that rape is somehow "natural" to women? Or that rape and sexual harassment of women isn't humiliating?
You are repeating very old information about female nannies in Victorian times ... And who even knows who taught them to do that to male children?
Actually, if you noticed the COUPLE who were abusing 14 children or so on Yahoo over the last 3-4 days ... you will recall for at least two or three days they ONLY showed a picture of the woman. You had to read FAR DOWN in the article to understand that there was a MALE present/husband in the household looking equally deranged.
For every ONE female teacher who has sex with a young student ... there are hundreds of stories of males abusing females. The Olympic Coach for instance on trial now with at least a hundred victims.
Not all females get caught -- but certainly NOT all males get caught, either. Especially in case of the Olympic Coach there was an intense cover up by the organizations involved with the Olympics.
We should raise the age of consent to 18 ... a little Puritanical but would be interesting to see what happens. Many, many 20-21 year old males will seek relationships with teenaged girls but will not actually get sexually involved with them until they turn 16. Unfortunately, pretty soon afterwards the young girls are pregnant.
There is NO reason to think that males underreport molestation any more often than females underreport it -- They are both subject to the same embarrassment and to the same dangers of retaliation.
May I ask re this comment ...
who show loss of virginity in standard physical exams.
Where do you get this idea that young girls receive "virginity loss" tests in "standard physical exams" .... ????
Da-Cat ago
Re statistics females are typically molested by people known to the family, stepbrothers, mother's boyfriends, family friends, neighbors, older peers among others. In some cases there is grooming & seeming consent. Often in that scenario they don't realize the abuse of power until adulthood & may or may not report it, such as the gymnastics scandal. In some cases there might have been a sense of relationship though illicit, so there can be dozens of different scenarios resulting in whether or not a female comes forward. Nobody denies there's stigma for either sex but it is a different kind of stigma for a male molested by a homosexual since young straight males tend to view it as a disgrace & feel shame for not resisting or being seen as gay. It is common knowledge this is an issue, perhaps there's females feeling the same about lesbian encounters but regardless it is a different kind of shame than heterosexual molestation, which alternatingly might be oppressive or under groomed consent. Some females become sexually active at puberty & sometimes engage with adults or older teens & feel no stigma at the time & possibly not later, it depends on the circumstances, rock stars & groupies for example.
For just about any heterosexual male seduction and/or rape by a homosexual creates a severe stigma if not PTSD practically without exception, because of the biases involved. Again common knowledge whether layman or professional.
Re physicals, more so after puberty, genital exams aren't unheard of, considering STDs among teens, while often abuse of girls is discovered this way, though more likely by a gynecologist.
Votescam ago
Da-Cat --
First of all re this ...
In some cases there is grooming & seeming consent
Children can NOT give consent to sexual abuse...
The age of consent is 16.
You persist in trying to tell us what a "sensitive" issue it is for a boy to be molested by a male. While I agree with you that all molestation and sexual assault is traumatic and lifelong ... it is no more threatening, frightening, or long-lasting as it is for women who are often raped and sodomized and forced to provide oral sex for their abuser.
At the same time, a female is also being secondarily oppressed just for being female. The examples of sexual harassment and rape by women in the entertainment industry are very specific examples of that...
These were often women living independent lives, with children to care for and support...
Do you know that often heterosexual males are having affairs with other heterosexual males?
In Brazil -- as the AIDS epidemic was becoming clear -- Doctors in this Catholic Country finally figured out why so many heterosexual females were coming down with the AIDS virus. They weren't taking drugs and they weren't having affairs.
But their heterosexual husbands were having affairs with other males.
The Brazilian Doctors said they found that: 30% of Brazilian males were having sexual relations with other males.
And there is no reason to think that those males are any different from heterosexual males all over the planet.
Girls who visit Planned Parenthood to get birth control may or may not be examined.
Even for a Sexually Transmitted Disease ... it would be very UNLIKELY that anyone would be doing an examination -- !!! Figure that one out.
Nor should it be any doctor's business whether a female is a virgin or not.
If you are talking about sexual abuse of a child or toddler -- (in your confused way) -- then YES ... a pediatrician might notice something like that. Especially if the child was brought in by the Mother because the is blood from the rectum, or redness or swelling in vaginal area.
Da-Cat ago
Um, age of consent is 18 in many states, Google it "expert" LOL. Pretty much done debating you with poor reading comprehension & untenable grasp of English. "...seeming consent" via grooming is obviously not "consent" while men having sex with men is by definition a homosexual act, even if married in a beard marriage to a female, which might make a subset of homosexual as bisexual. By definition heterosexuals are repulsed by sex between males. Not only are you idiotic in this regard you really sound like a loopy transexual. I'm done with your victim shaming, obfuscation & bigotry towards victims of homosexuals, and there are many more than ever go public.
Votescam ago
https://www.ageofconsent.net/states
Age of Consent varies from 16 to 18 across the US ....
In New York, it used to actually at one time be 16 ... but is now 17.
Pedophiles are thought to have no sexual orientation .... They have "preferences" for males or females and other specifics.
Situational pedophiles are heterosexual males ... INCEST is one of our most common crimes and it is carried on throughout family relationships ... where young females and young males are sexually abused by adult members of their families ... Grandfathers, Fathers, Step-fathers, Brothers, Uncles, Male Cousins ... and male friends of the family.
Infants, toddlers and very young children are the victims.
These are heterosexual males who would prefer a sexual relationship with an adult female ... but when there is not one available ... they will rape a child, often a female child .. but again if one isn't available they will rape of a child or any gender, including infants.
Again... in Catholic Brazil, at the times of the AIDS crisis ... Brazilian doctors discovered that 30% of males there were having sex with other males. These were married men. Their wives were coming down with the virus though they were not drug users and had not had affairs.
30% .... if you think that is an aberration, you're very naïve.