I hope more people come out. I know it must be hard for them to bring up the past. Reading about their different cases makes me remember what I went through when I was younger.
Here is a thread from Data Lounge where many have their say : https://www.datalounge.com/thread/20400254 Kramer does not get a pass from most. Some bear their souls and admit they too were abused as a child. Some still hurting. Why would they not be hurting, their souls have been stolen by their abusers. I applaud Eliza for her Courage and hope this brings her Peace.
Yeah. I think it is fair and right to consider a victim’s story carefull, but on this sight... only a shill would disparage a victim for coming forward.
Anyone that 'attacks a victim is a shill or someone that has not heart or understanding. Also they can never put themselves into someone else's shoes. Walk a mile....
I know. Sometimes I get the fact that a lot of people don’t want to go there because it is too horrid. Those that are blatant are grossly uninformed or abusers too.
That's two kids from James Cameron movies that have been possibly abused. The other one I'm speculating is Edward Furlong in Terminator 2. Joel Kramer was the Stunt Coordinator in that as well. Don't know if he's the fall guy for Cameron or if he really did it?
Shouldn't parents be prosecuted for child endangerment in cases like this and especially for obstruction of justice for not notifying authorities when the child tells them about the assault? Why are they not held accountable along with the slimy perps?
Like with Weinstein if true he will Definetly have an near exact pattern of this behavior. A High functioning monster will limit it from escalating and pick their targets and indulgences carefilly to keep blowback confusing and deniable.
There are enough details here to be believable, and there might be some physical evidence in the form of hospital records if there was a broken bone.
But there are 2 things I don't really understand.
Years ago, I had heard second hand that Joel Kramer was “found out” and forced to leave the business. I learned recently that in fact he still works at the top of the industry.
People in Hollywood do not hide the fact they're working: there is IMDB and they have access to agents and other resources. Maybe she was trying to block that out and not actively looking in on him, but this part of the story is a bit weird to me.
came out to the set to visit and face him, later that very same day, by no small coincidence, I was injured from a stunt-gone-wrong on the Harrier jet.
Whether she was scared of Joel Kramer or not, she's alleging that attempted murder took place. Why wouldn't she speak up at the point that she believes that he is literally trying to kill her?
Sorry i have been at work. Not sure how i misread your comment but i will take your word that i did. I read the story and see one victim and she reached out for help so i guess i dont see the point of your comment. Enlighten me.
It links to a child sex documentary. I was going to make a post about this, but Voat doesn't let new accounts make them. I also thought about
submitting it as a joke to reddit's popular "funny" subreddits but I figure they will just think it's a coincidence and get upset with me for laughing about the topic.
Sorry but she blames hollywood (a location) and other actors for not stepping up the the plate while on the night it happened her parent let her go for sushi and a swim with the guy. Sympathize with her but she should blame her parent for greenlighting the little innocent date.
And I remember how soon-after, when my tough adult female friend (in whom I had confided my terrible secret on the condition of a trade that she let me drive her car around the Hollywood Hills)
I'm not sure I understand what she is saying here, but it sounds like to me what happened to her was just so unbelievably traumatic that the only way she would tell anyone about it was if they let her drive their car. Hard to sympathize with these people when they say things like that.
She is probably a butterfly operative. Much like the character she portrayed in Dollhouse. That show started out cool and interesting... kinda gross by the end.
I don’t drop my kids off ANYWHERE. After this last year of eye-opening... my kids are ALWAYS with either me, or my wife. I’ve been hesitant to let them stay with gramma a few times... that’s it.
I hope you lifted this from somebody else OP, the Faceberg links are still active and the account is a friend of Hridoy Khan. OPSEC is a very important part of Pizzagate, you have either outed yourself or you have outed a friend of yours.
Be careful and safe OP, this is a dangerous world that we live in.
Horrific and all-too-common story. The fact that this is not surprising tells us Hollywood needs to be cleansed. And you know Whedon was all over her as well.
It was widely rumored and believed that Whedon was sleeping with all of his female stars on his shows, and their lack of support or denials when this came out pretty much confirmed it.
He's been working in Hollywood since 1978. Was still active 2017. All that time and not one police report? I, too, am skeptical. Also, she's approaching 40. As these previously hot/young actresses get less attention, they get in on the metoo bandwagon.
^^^this^^^ I would ask my sister to look me in the eye and tell her what I would be about to do and if she is lying she better fess up now because her brother will be potentially going to jail for an upcoming murder....
Girls will twist the truth until it is a lie, especially in matters like this, I’ve witnessed women commit crime of lying about sexual assault and tell me they are a victim when they just didn’t want to admit they had drunk goggles the night before and were attracted and hands-on flirting with the guy they now say raped them that night.... humans evolved from animals, both men and women.
Again,not here to be difficult or argumentative. I work with survivors everyday and I wish it were not true that about 1 in 4 women will be raped in their lives. Us men need to stop wasting energy telling victims they are lying and try to change this culture we live in. It becomes far too real when it is your sister , daughter, or wife who is the victim
Sadly there's a lot more parents/relatives out there who don't care enough or are just too damaged to have the normal response we all would have. They are just complacent to the abuse. It's hard to fathom since I would kill the mother effer if he touched my kid or sibling
I wonder if others people suspected, if others know of this 'culture'....Arnie? James Cameron? Zidi? Simon Michaël? Jane Morris? Charlton Heston?..some body knew something?
It is also possible they are among a long line of people who are accustomed to this type of behavior, that it's considered just one of those things you have to do to grow up. I'm not saying that I believe that at all, but imagine being surrounded by that kind of happenings your entire life. It's sick. It's also rampant.
Did you see how she pointed out her Dollhouse names/personas in the post? I remember watching that series and being astounded at the open blatantness of the symbols and themes. I hoped against hope that I was just being paranoid and overthinking the series. It is really sad though to have her abuse be confirmed. If one were really paying attention to the Dollhouse with "eyes that see", they wouldn't be surprised by this admission. It's really sad.
realityisinsanity ago
A lot of actresses of Albanian descent revealing information lately.
ProudPatriotGal ago
I hope more people come out. I know it must be hard for them to bring up the past. Reading about their different cases makes me remember what I went through when I was younger.
gl7 ago
You whore yourself for Hollywood, blame yourself.
GreenDell144 ago
At 12, parents are to blame. They threw their kid in the garbage for Babylon greed.
Steinmacher ago
After all that she is a libTard still embracing the lefty rape culture leaders.
smh...
dreamwarrior23 ago
I feel sad for her. I wish she had just quit the damn business back then
carmencita ago
Here is a thread from Data Lounge where many have their say : https://www.datalounge.com/thread/20400254 Kramer does not get a pass from most. Some bear their souls and admit they too were abused as a child. Some still hurting. Why would they not be hurting, their souls have been stolen by their abusers. I applaud Eliza for her Courage and hope this brings her Peace.
GreenDell144 ago
Yeah. I think it is fair and right to consider a victim’s story carefull, but on this sight... only a shill would disparage a victim for coming forward.
carmencita ago
Anyone that 'attacks a victim is a shill or someone that has not heart or understanding. Also they can never put themselves into someone else's shoes. Walk a mile....
carmencita ago
I know. Sometimes I get the fact that a lot of people don’t want to go there because it is too horrid. Those that are blatant are grossly uninformed or abusers too.
MichaelClayton ago
That's two kids from James Cameron movies that have been possibly abused. The other one I'm speculating is Edward Furlong in Terminator 2. Joel Kramer was the Stunt Coordinator in that as well. Don't know if he's the fall guy for Cameron or if he really did it?
elephantdoesntforget ago
That's how they raise money for many of these movies...
MichaelClayton ago
By prostituting the kids in the movie out?
elephantdoesntforget ago
That and filming and then selling the videotaped child pornography.
Factfinder2 ago
Shouldn't parents be prosecuted for child endangerment in cases like this and especially for obstruction of justice for not notifying authorities when the child tells them about the assault? Why are they not held accountable along with the slimy perps?
GreenDell144 ago
Of course. Meanwhile good parents are persecuted by CPS.
Shiggz ago
Like with Weinstein if true he will Definetly have an near exact pattern of this behavior. A High functioning monster will limit it from escalating and pick their targets and indulgences carefilly to keep blowback confusing and deniable.
GreenDell144 ago
Exactly. This makes investigation tough, but over time... it’s inevitable that they will be caught if the social climate is right.
3141592653 ago
This is infuriating
cdglow ago
There are enough details here to be believable, and there might be some physical evidence in the form of hospital records if there was a broken bone.
But there are 2 things I don't really understand.
People in Hollywood do not hide the fact they're working: there is IMDB and they have access to agents and other resources. Maybe she was trying to block that out and not actively looking in on him, but this part of the story is a bit weird to me.
Whether she was scared of Joel Kramer or not, she's alleging that attempted murder took place. Why wouldn't she speak up at the point that she believes that he is literally trying to kill her?
3141592653 ago
Victims don't speak up for many valid reasons
emtpayislow ago
She did speak out you stupid cuck. She told her POS parents who did nothing.
3141592653 ago
I think you misread or misunderstood what I said
3141592653 ago
Are you responding to me?
emtpayislow ago
Sorry i have been at work. Not sure how i misread your comment but i will take your word that i did. I read the story and see one victim and she reached out for help so i guess i dont see the point of your comment. Enlighten me.
MaurilliaVerigo ago
Sound out this randomly generated youtube URL:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChriB7pUssY
It links to a child sex documentary. I was going to make a post about this, but Voat doesn't let new accounts make them. I also thought about submitting it as a joke to reddit's popular "funny" subreddits but I figure they will just think it's a coincidence and get upset with me for laughing about the topic.
Cheesebooger ago
Certified kosher. Good grief wtf is and has been going on in the jewish community
Shiggz ago
Even the secular jews view whites as lesser evolved humans to be used for labor like plow mules.
Jews see niggers like we might see talking dogs.
Sublimesati ago
Sorry but she blames hollywood (a location) and other actors for not stepping up the the plate while on the night it happened her parent let her go for sushi and a swim with the guy. Sympathize with her but she should blame her parent for greenlighting the little innocent date.
jwm5514 ago
I'm not sure I understand what she is saying here, but it sounds like to me what happened to her was just so unbelievably traumatic that the only way she would tell anyone about it was if they let her drive their car. Hard to sympathize with these people when they say things like that.
Sublimesati ago
Yeah. Sounds like two girlfriends trading secrets. Maybe the whole thing was revisionist history.
GreenDell144 ago
She is probably a butterfly operative. Much like the character she portrayed in Dollhouse. That show started out cool and interesting... kinda gross by the end.
Shiggz ago
I would never let my kids alone with an adult for swimming and food. And never leave them alone on set for the day either.
Yet we drop our kids of at schools and parks.
When it comes to child actors, you can almost just ask did your parents drip you of at the studio or were they always by your side?
GreenDell144 ago
I don’t drop my kids off ANYWHERE. After this last year of eye-opening... my kids are ALWAYS with either me, or my wife. I’ve been hesitant to let them stay with gramma a few times... that’s it.
Sublimesati ago
Same. I have a 7 year old and in 5 years there's no way in hell he's going on an "innocent" play date with a sexed a woman in her 30s.
notaspy ago
That never occured to me, but given the overall state of humanity - oy vey. They prostituted her out. Gas them.
ASolo ago
Add another one to the fire. This deck of cards isn't only falling, it's burning to the ground.
damnittohell ago
Wasn't she in Commando with Arnold Schwarzenneger when she was about 14?
squarcle ago
She was in True Lies with Arnie.
BanditOne ago
That was Alyssa Milano.
bdmthrfkr ago
I hope you lifted this from somebody else OP, the Faceberg links are still active and the account is a friend of Hridoy Khan. OPSEC is a very important part of Pizzagate, you have either outed yourself or you have outed a friend of yours.
Be careful and safe OP, this is a dangerous world that we live in.
Mad_As_Hell ago
I got the link from r/conspiracy, don’t have a Reddit account myself so if someone could give this person a heads up that’d be much appreciated https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7q6pzf/eliza_dushku_writes_a_firsthand_account_of_joel/
KosherHiveKicker ago
Salbuchi_2019 ago
Abuse in Hollywood is a (((white))) problem!
Shizy ago
Only a brainwashed dumb fuck would bring race into this
meow_cow ago
So.... Most liberals?
MacPhisto ago
Horrific and all-too-common story. The fact that this is not surprising tells us Hollywood needs to be cleansed. And you know Whedon was all over her as well.
0iamlordeyayaya0 ago
Can't believe the shills didn't hit you. Wheden must be the next lamb.
Shiggz ago
Not a fan of whedon but I don't picture him into adult females.
MacPhisto ago
https://www.thewrap.com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/
It was widely rumored and believed that Whedon was sleeping with all of his female stars on his shows, and their lack of support or denials when this came out pretty much confirmed it.
makesyoumoist ago
His ex wife accused him of coercing and/or fucking a few actresses.
SexMachine ago
I call BS on her story.
BanditOne ago
He's been working in Hollywood since 1978. Was still active 2017. All that time and not one police report? I, too, am skeptical. Also, she's approaching 40. As these previously hot/young actresses get less attention, they get in on the metoo bandwagon.
3141592653 ago
No.
outdoorcistern ago
If we are breaking the ribs of 12 year olds to produce" entertainment', then maybe we should just let lions eat them?
3141592653 ago
Not sure i understand
outdoorcistern ago
Should prepubescent kids be allowed to do stunts which could result in their death, when 16 year olds can't operate the meat slicer in delis?
Buttfuckmebigfoot ago
Why?
Redpilled_Canadian ago
Hey mother commented on the post saying she was scared of Kramer, still not an excuse to say nothing.
R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd ago
Her brothers are cucks. If my sister told me she was molested and by who. I'd be in jail for life unless they let me off.
ADaniels ago
^^^this^^^ I would ask my sister to look me in the eye and tell her what I would be about to do and if she is lying she better fess up now because her brother will be potentially going to jail for an upcoming murder....
3141592653 ago
It is very rare that people lie about being assaulted
ADaniels ago
Girls will twist the truth until it is a lie, especially in matters like this, I’ve witnessed women commit crime of lying about sexual assault and tell me they are a victim when they just didn’t want to admit they had drunk goggles the night before and were attracted and hands-on flirting with the guy they now say raped them that night.... humans evolved from animals, both men and women.
3141592653 ago
Again,not here to be difficult or argumentative. I work with survivors everyday and I wish it were not true that about 1 in 4 women will be raped in their lives. Us men need to stop wasting energy telling victims they are lying and try to change this culture we live in. It becomes far too real when it is your sister , daughter, or wife who is the victim
3141592653 ago
And for every supposed liar, 100 women are really raped
ADaniels ago
Half the rape in the country is committed by 3 percent of the population..... blacks ages 15-35.... let’s start there.
3141592653 ago
No.
3141592653 ago
No, that is not true. Not here to be argumentative. This is the work I do every day
Shiggz ago
Well
http://www.fakehatecrimes.org
3141592653 ago
Merely 1% of accusations are found to be false
ADaniels ago
.....which is why I question the validity of this story....
Shizy ago
Sadly there's a lot more parents/relatives out there who don't care enough or are just too damaged to have the normal response we all would have. They are just complacent to the abuse. It's hard to fathom since I would kill the mother effer if he touched my kid or sibling
leo87 ago
Her parents allowed her to continue to work with her abuser. They are partially guilty
SebuttYopick ago
I wonder if others people suspected, if others know of this 'culture'....Arnie? James Cameron? Zidi? Simon Michaël? Jane Morris? Charlton Heston?..some body knew something?
Warnos44 ago
It is also possible they are among a long line of people who are accustomed to this type of behavior, that it's considered just one of those things you have to do to grow up. I'm not saying that I believe that at all, but imagine being surrounded by that kind of happenings your entire life. It's sick. It's also rampant.
EyeoftheChampion ago
I wondered what happened to her, she seemed so beautiful and full of promise. She was ground up and spat out by the look of it.
Have you ever watched the tv series Dollhouse? Very short lived Joss Whedon series.
WestEndGirl ago
Did you see how she pointed out her Dollhouse names/personas in the post? I remember watching that series and being astounded at the open blatantness of the symbols and themes. I hoped against hope that I was just being paranoid and overthinking the series. It is really sad though to have her abuse be confirmed. If one were really paying attention to the Dollhouse with "eyes that see", they wouldn't be surprised by this admission. It's really sad.
EyeoftheChampion ago
I had no clue when I saw it but it was creepy as fuck. The hopelessness in their eyes at times, the reaching to each other and then being blanked.