Satanism is very much a mixed bag. The Christians of Trump's base don't understand what Satan means. Satanism is often perceived as being about evil, but is some contexts it can be about justice.
You don't get to talk shit without accountability. When you said that I was misguided about everything, were you were lying or were you simply mistaken?
No, not mistaken. And who the fuck do you think you are you to tell me if I can or can't "talk shit" as you put it. I can write whatever the hell I want. No one answers to you so move along boy, you're not worth my time
Satan hates humans and is the author of confusion. It can never be about justice because Satan doesn't want justice, he wants revenge. And we all know the vengeful don't care if you're guilty or not.
You've just described the Satan of Christianity, which is inconsistent with the Satan of Judaism. Satan simply means adversary, to assume that your adversary does not have just cause is pure vanity. The first chapter of the book of Job is worth a closer look.
Yeah, @Shizy is a good example of a Trumpling who is too proud to admit that they are ignorant or a liar. Kind of interesting that Trump has a problem with pride, Trump professes to be Christian, and Christians associate pride with Lucifer's fall from grace.
Not my problem really. As for Trump, well, I trust his candor and apparent intentions - I'm sure I'd have plenty to disagree with him over if we laid it all out on the table, but, I'm willing to trust that he's working towards a greater goal that I can get behind & that he'd know full well where I'm coming from on certain topics :P
an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”.
The context of Christianity and Satanism is vastly misunderstood by most, though... but, it doesn't matter what I share on that topic, it'll fall on mostly deaf ears around here xD
" I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star..... ....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!"
IMO pride has a lot to do with the Christian misunderstanding, what's your take on it?
I started attracting a lot of downvotes after I posted that Muslim women have rights. Pointing out that Christianity misapprehends the nature of Satan is another unpopular view.
I should point out that the rights I'm talking about are from the Quran, and that they're not spelled out explicitly even though the Quran is clear in saying that they do exist. The nature of the relationship between men and women is at the center of the bridegroom symbolism of the gospels, too.
That's kinda the crux of the problem I suppose, the weaponization of ambiguous wording and just outright lies about intent, has led to a dangerous schism across the board - everyone needs to get their shit together before WWIII breaks out in full...
There is so much to undo, though, with so much blood on their hands... it's clear as day, to myself at least, that although some good is thrown into Islam & The Quaran, this merely acts as fodder for the old, "but we're a religion of peace!" defence.
Many countries have had Islam forced upon them over the centuries and bred into them for so long, that it's simply "the way of things", their internal fuckery and disputes leading to massive bloodshed, up to tihs very day, can't go unignored.
That's kinda the crux of the problem I suppose, the weaponization of ambiguous wording and just outright lies about intent, has led to a dangerous schism across the board - everyone needs to get their shit together before WWIII breaks out in full...
Yes, according to the Bible the ambiguity (or confusion) of language of language began with the tower of Babel (Babel means confusion). Babylon was the first of a series of empires. The continual quest for dominance that drives empire is one of the main social drivers for war.
There is so much to undo, though, with so much blood on their hands... it's clear as day, to myself at least, that although some good is thrown into Islam & The Quaran, this merely acts as fodder for the old, "but we're a religion of peace!" defence.
IMO the biggest single problem with Islam is the Hadith. The Quran was written as a complete document, but the Hadith has an extensive history of errors, and even after discarding the obvious ones contradictions remain. The core meaning of Islam is submission to Allah. The Hadith is to Islam like what the Talmud is to Judaism, a collection of manmade writings which provide a rich environment for social heirarchies and the politicization of religion. Islamic culture of course has it's own history of empire building, although not as extensive as the emipres that developed from Rome and the Roman Catholic Church.
Many countries have had Islam forced upon them over the centuries and bred into them for so long, that it's simply "the way of things", their internal fuckery(literally incestuous) and disputes leading to massive bloodshed, up to this very day, can't go unignored.
The Palestinian problem is related. When Islam came to Palestine some Jews converted to Islam in order not to lose possession of their land. Islam and Judaism are quite similar religions, the main difference being sacrifice and the more exclusive attitudes of Judaism.
" I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star..... ....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!"
IMO pride has a lot to do with the Christian misunderstanding, what's your take on it?
Pride regarding "stable genius" tweet:
I suppose, yes, you could say he was being prideful/boastful there - somewhat within reason, though, I would argue. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with the statement, but, it's also easy to frame it in an excessively negative light, if one is already so inclined to do so for DJT's online interactions. It's not any worse than the drivel hurled at him prior to that tweet, though, in regards to recent events xD
Pride regarding the Christian misunderstanding:
Interesting take on it... Not to say that pride is inherently a bad thing, but, you may be on the money with that - even as such a short assessment. I wouldn't say it's the sole contributing factor though & likely not always one at all, sometimes fear and lack of experience/opportunity to learn can be contributing factors too.
I would say mostly, it's the lack of opportunity and motive to dig deeper and seek out obscure knowledge from alternate sources - sometimes a dash of ignorance - most people have lives to live, though; they rarely have the time to sit there and comb through history while looking at it from multiple angles at once, let alone see a reason to question things so deeply.
The other part of the problem is indeed the obfuscation methods of Christianity and Satanism, which unfortunately can lead people on either side of that particular fence, on a bit of a goose chase until they're able to see the deeper connection - sounds a bit conceited when I write that out in text though, lol... That said, the clues are all around, especially in some of the music videos I post and explained in a couple of my research submissions.
I agree, but I don't think it sounds conceited to speak of the obfuscation methods of Christianity and Satanism. Christianity is really based on the traditions of the Church Fathers, any attempt to look outside the box will be shut down. Satanism is necessarily secretive, you're unlikely to be a successful adversary if you telegraph your strategies to your opponent.
Look deeper into Satan? I don't need to look deeper into what a bunch of brainwashed tools think Satan is, I have read the Bible. They can believe what they want but I don't need to hear their "enlightened" bullshit.
True that, but if just one person stumbles across the truth and holds onto it, it's worth it, no?
Truth is, nobody is going to tell me what Satanism is/isn't because I lived with one for 5 years. EVERYTHING about satan is about hatred: hate your competitor, hate authority, hate yourself. The person I got involved with hated himself (he was himself abused) and wanted VENGANCE and POWER. The group he was a part of was more than happy to oblige. Satanism is about doing things in the dark. The will NEVER tell the public what they are really about as they think it will diminish the power they have over others. Our society seems to operate where the truly powerful are behind a dark curtain. So if we know about the Rothchilds, Rockerfellers, Van Duyns etc, can you imagine what's lurking around in the darkness that gave them their power if people know their names? What about the ones we don't know about???
Satanism is about mixing dark and light so you can't tell the difference and become corrupted in the discovery process. That's been both my experience and the research I've done. So @Random101, I don't know if that's satan of Christianity or not, but it's what I lived through.
Truth is, nobody is going to tell me what Satanism is/isn't because I lived with one for 5 years
Your experience is of one man's interpretation of Satanism. There are other interpretations, like "be the predator and not the prey".
EVERYTHING about satan is about hatred: hate your competitor, hate authority, hate yourself.
Hatred can be a consequence of Satanism, but it isn't what defines it. A good example of this is Satan's role in King David's numbering of Israel. In this case it's irrational to think that Satan hated authority or himself.
I don't know if that's satan of Christianity or not, but it's what I lived through.
It seems different, the Satan of Christianity is diabolical, and is generally assumed to be driven by pride rather that hatred. In the case of your acquaintance there's justice through vengeance. I don't know where the self-hatred came from.
Respectfully, the self hatred came from being a victim of child sexual abuse/incest but the hatred stemmed from the feeling of being helpless. I think I get what you're talking about, but all this "sympathy for the devil" rhetoric rubs me the wrong way. I wasn't Christian when I was dating him but I sure as hell became one after. He wasn't a sole practitioner. His "group" had all sorts to cover up their deeds: doctors, lawyers, police chiefs etc. I still count myself lucky to have gotten out of that relationship alive. He was an ex member and still full of hate.
I get that children can blame themselves for being a victim, maybe the hatred was from the belief that there was no recourse? IDK. I think you misunderstand me, I don't have sympathy for the devil, but I don't equate the devil with satan. Devil means slanderer, satan means adversary. Christianity sees the devil and satan as being one and the same. If you can grok how Christianity has got it wrong then you're better position to understand the threats that Trump's Christianity faces. The biggest problem for them is Trump's ego, it makes them blind to the possibility that they are imperfect and that "Satan" does actually have a point to make.
Yes, satan has a point to make, that may be the "light" side, but what about the dark side? Crowley murdered 150 boys and those were the ones he actually confessed to. Did those boy "consent" to being murdered in a ritual??? For that matter, children aren't even capable of understanding when they are being GROOMED (let alone adults) so for all this talk about consent goes out the window. Eve consented because she was TRICKED. Kids are groomed by pedos because they are TRICKED. People give the devil/satan/lucifer a free pass because they have been TRICKED. I think you can see the pattern, right?
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur: "The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived." Deception (especially religious deception) was the norm of Roman life. Vigilance is essential if you don't want to join the ranks of the misinformed.
That's his problem and it's very much warped your understanding of the subject. You're entitled to your deductions, but, simply put, they're inaccurate and you have a lot more to study - yep, I'm a cunt, you're welcome to downvoat me - I'm surprised I haven't gotten more here already.
nobody is going to tell me what Satanism is/isn't
No, they aren't, because, "Telling someone a truth they're not yet ready to hear, is no different to telling them a lie"
Everything you need to know is available in the public domain, you're better off coming to your own conclusions than listening to others right off the bat anyway.
If you understand that, then I respectfully emplore you to keep researching with a slightly more open mind... a lot of people out there have fucked up and done fucking stupid shit in the name of Satan, the question is "why?", the easy answer is "because Satan", which is what nearly everyone falls back to...
Problem is, if you saw it in action-you might change your mind. I didn't believe that satan was really anything more than a concept until I saw someone that asked for their life to be influenced by him.
I'm trying to do more research to give a more broad perspective, but it is quite hard when your life has been affected by it. Do you have any suggested books/links?/data I should consider?
I wouldn't ask argosciv for any advice if I were you , unless of course your looking to become a satanist yourself . I don't get that feeling though . Argosciv thinks it's ok to drink blood and he's also a dragon , did you know that?
https://imgur.com/gallery/aAcxH
@Cc1914 Thanks for the heads up; I kind of figured that was his angle. I've already been through the open mind phase and saw as much of satanism as I could tolerate. Not going back. I'm here to save kids and save lost adults. There is nothing satanism can trick someone into that is beneficial in the long run-I've lived what the consequences are: endless desire for retribution. There is no peace. Only war. Internal and external. Nothing is going to move me that direction ever again. It is still the way of death and the grace of G-d has brought me back from the edge. I'm now warning all I can about the edge and how subtly deceptive it is.
Well that's a relief . Good for you ! I feel if we are all here exposing this why should we have someone like that tricking us and practicing spiritism etc . I certainly don't want myself associated with threads that he's in . Just sayin ... we don't need anymore trickery .
@Cc1914 Completely understand. Appreciate your imgur post-gives me a jist of what other directions people are coming from with this satanic deception. Just like the way people are misled about G-d, people are misled about satanism as well, just in a different way. Thanks for havin' my back. :)
I didn't believe the satan was really anything more than a concept until I saw someone that asked for their life to be influenced by him.
Like I said, that person had their own problems... not to rag on them, everyone has their 'demons' so to speak, the point is, don't restrict your research/perspective to his single example.
Keep asking the tough question, "why?"
I'm trying to do more research to give a more broad perspective, but it is quite hard when your life has been affected by it. Do you have any suggested books/links?/data I should consider?
Now that I can wholeheartedly agree with, I can even relate to it. As for where to start... shit, now that's always tough... like fuck, I'm sitting here thinking of something to get you going, but there's so many viable 'starting points', it's hard to pick one which is most relevant to your current understanding - that said, I have no idea exactly what you do or don't know or what sources led you to believe x/y/z.
Thanks for responding. Respectfully, I'm truly not trying to presume what you you've experienced, but actually value what you know about satanism. I've come at it from the angle of hermetisism (David Ovason) and some of the puzzle pieces that I've put together over the years researching cabalism, babylonian talmudism, thelema and some of the writings of Crowley. I've discovered just how much of a vile person Crowley was and fully believe Barbara is his daughter/son (if you know what I mean). I've also found an Affidavit from the son of Anton LeVey that authenticates that both papa and baby Bush were at a satanic ceremony in which said son was gelded. I can respect most people's beliefs unless said beliefs are violating someone's right to exist. I understand that for some, the reason for satanism is their desire for ultimate knowledge, but
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
And I understand why. We, as good, decent people were never meant to have to know so much about these ugly things. But these are the times were are in and we are in a war. And to save these children, we must risk much. But it's worth it. So, what kind of things should I be getting my head around about satanism?
And I understand why. We, as good, decent people were never meant to have to know so much about these ugly things. But these are the times were are in and we are in a war. And to save these children, we must risk much. But it's worth it. So, what kind of things should I be getting my head around about satanism?
Finally! Something I can answer.
Note: You need to start paying attention to some of the music I post, there is often an underlying relevance or implication.
I've come at it from the angle of hermetisism (David Ovason) and some of the puzzle pieces that I've put together over the years researching cabalism, babylonian talmudism, thelema and some of the writings of Crowley. I've discovered just how much of a vile person Crowley was and fully believe Barbara is his daughter/son (if you know what I mean).
I remember telling someone a while ago, to start with Hermeticism and work backwards - they never replied and stopped posting entirely... haven't seen them since. Was known for causing problems though... forget his name. Anywho, first and foremost, Satanism is technically much much older than both Judaism and Islam which are in turn older than Christianity, in that it is rooted in even-more-ancient knowledge/religions - Thelema shares these same roots, but, is distinct from Satanism in many ways, now, regardless of what you may have heard and thus think of Crowley, Thelema provides a strong lesson in somewhat-plain text, "Do as thou will, shall be the whole of the law", which boiled down means, with the knowledge presented to you, do as thou will, but expect that others will do the same; if you abuse the rights of others, expect the righteous to come after you - conversely, if you take a righteous path, expect the corrupt to attack you.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
I've also found an Affidavit from the son of Anton LeVey that authenticates that both papa and baby Bush were at a satanic ceremony in which said son was gelded.
LeVey fucked up, this is true, in his defense though, he did see the error of his ways towards the end and had some sort of deathbed revalation/confession. I have repeatedly said this in several places now, but here goes again:
The corrupt 'elite' have abused and exploited the knowledge found in Satanism and it's roots, scapegoating the religion like any other they disagree with, while simultaneously weaponizing it to fuck up insecure/vulnerable individuals amongst the masses.
I can respect most people's beliefs unless said beliefs are violating someone's right to exist. I understand that for some, the reason for satanism is their desire for ultimate knowledge, but
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
I think you'll find, given some honest research without being caught up on the several traps laid out by corruptors over the years, that Satanism absolutely does not violate the rights of others - in fact it's one that specifically advises against/forbids harming animals/humans unnecessarily or wantonly. Knowledge is power, yes, but, the reasonable human being understands the cheesy old Spiderman quote, "With great power, comes great responsibility"
Ultimately, also, what you'll also find in life and in the teachings of practically any religion, is that death is not only unavoidable, but, in some way or another, is not the end...
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NeoMarxistZoomDweeby ago
Wow, so Satanism is the answer to the Trump era? Fucking shit, they really aren't even hiding it anymore. The western world has lost its fucking mind.
Random101 ago
Satanism is very much a mixed bag. The Christians of Trump's base don't understand what Satan means. Satanism is often perceived as being about evil, but is some contexts it can be about justice.
Shizy ago
Wow you're so misguided
Random101 ago
About what, specifically?
Shizy ago
Everything!
Random101 ago
So when I say that "Satanism is often perceived as being about evil", do you think that I am misguided, or is it a true statement?
Shizy ago
You're not going to bait me in a lame debate about satanism or force me to focus on one part of your overall comment, but nice try.
Random101 ago
You don't get to talk shit without accountability. When you said that I was misguided about everything, were you were lying or were you simply mistaken?
Shizy ago
No, not mistaken. And who the fuck do you think you are you to tell me if I can or can't "talk shit" as you put it. I can write whatever the hell I want. No one answers to you so move along boy, you're not worth my time
Random101 ago
So you were lying. Got it.
It's about being accountable for what you post.
And so can I. What matters here is if you are a liar or not.
You're in no position to start pontificating.
Shizy ago
Once again: I DONT ANSWER TO YOU! It appears that you are really bothered by this, but I really don't care so buh bye!
Random101 ago
I know that you're a liar, so your statement means nothing.
I'm not bothered, I'm just making a point.
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
Satan hates humans and is the author of confusion. It can never be about justice because Satan doesn't want justice, he wants revenge. And we all know the vengeful don't care if you're guilty or not.
argosciv ago
LOL! Wrong.
Random101 ago
You've just described the Satan of Christianity, which is inconsistent with the Satan of Judaism. Satan simply means adversary, to assume that your adversary does not have just cause is pure vanity. The first chapter of the book of Job is worth a closer look.
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
Most adversaries hate their "nemesis", do they not?
Random101 ago
Sometimes hate is an appropriate response.
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
yes, but rarely. and NEVER appropriate indiscriminately.
argosciv ago
Don't waste your time, too many around here will simply refuse to look deeper... sad.
Random101 ago
Yeah, @Shizy is a good example of a Trumpling who is too proud to admit that they are ignorant or a liar. Kind of interesting that Trump has a problem with pride, Trump professes to be Christian, and Christians associate pride with Lucifer's fall from grace.
argosciv ago
/shrug
Not my problem really. As for Trump, well, I trust his candor and apparent intentions - I'm sure I'd have plenty to disagree with him over if we laid it all out on the table, but, I'm willing to trust that he's working towards a greater goal that I can get behind & that he'd know full well where I'm coming from on certain topics :P
Random101 ago
Like they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Within the context of Christianity and Satanism, Trump's pride is a bit of a red flag.
argosciv ago
Eh, depends how seriously you take it...
dictionary.com - Hyperbole
The context of Christianity and Satanism is vastly misunderstood by most, though... but, it doesn't matter what I share on that topic, it'll fall on mostly deaf ears around here xD
Random101 ago
By pride I mean him tweeting that he's a genius.
" I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star..... ....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!"
IMO pride has a lot to do with the Christian misunderstanding, what's your take on it?
argosciv ago
ps: for what it's worth, it's not me downvoating you - someone who feels threatened by our conversation, is throwing a fit xD
Random101 ago
I started attracting a lot of downvotes after I posted that Muslim women have rights. Pointing out that Christianity misapprehends the nature of Satan is another unpopular view.
argosciv ago
Yurp, that'll about do it...
^ Both sure-fire ways to piss off the ignorant and shills alike.
Random101 ago
I should point out that the rights I'm talking about are from the Quran, and that they're not spelled out explicitly even though the Quran is clear in saying that they do exist. The nature of the relationship between men and women is at the center of the bridegroom symbolism of the gospels, too.
argosciv ago
That's kinda the crux of the problem I suppose, the weaponization of ambiguous wording and just outright lies about intent, has led to a dangerous schism across the board - everyone needs to get their shit together before WWIII breaks out in full...
There is so much to undo, though, with so much blood on their hands... it's clear as day, to myself at least, that although some good is thrown into Islam & The Quaran, this merely acts as fodder for the old, "but we're a religion of peace!" defence.
Many countries have had Islam forced upon them over the centuries and bred into them for so long, that it's simply "the way of things", their internal fuckery and disputes leading to massive bloodshed, up to tihs very day, can't go unignored.
Random101 ago
Yes, according to the Bible the ambiguity (or confusion) of language of language began with the tower of Babel (Babel means confusion). Babylon was the first of a series of empires. The continual quest for dominance that drives empire is one of the main social drivers for war.
IMO the biggest single problem with Islam is the Hadith. The Quran was written as a complete document, but the Hadith has an extensive history of errors, and even after discarding the obvious ones contradictions remain. The core meaning of Islam is submission to Allah. The Hadith is to Islam like what the Talmud is to Judaism, a collection of manmade writings which provide a rich environment for social heirarchies and the politicization of religion. Islamic culture of course has it's own history of empire building, although not as extensive as the emipres that developed from Rome and the Roman Catholic Church.
The Palestinian problem is related. When Islam came to Palestine some Jews converted to Islam in order not to lose possession of their land. Islam and Judaism are quite similar religions, the main difference being sacrifice and the more exclusive attitudes of Judaism.
argosciv ago
Ah righto, I see where you're coming from there.
Pride regarding "stable genius" tweet:
I suppose, yes, you could say he was being prideful/boastful there - somewhat within reason, though, I would argue. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with the statement, but, it's also easy to frame it in an excessively negative light, if one is already so inclined to do so for DJT's online interactions. It's not any worse than the drivel hurled at him prior to that tweet, though, in regards to recent events xD
Pride regarding the Christian misunderstanding:
Interesting take on it... Not to say that pride is inherently a bad thing, but, you may be on the money with that - even as such a short assessment. I wouldn't say it's the sole contributing factor though & likely not always one at all, sometimes fear and lack of experience/opportunity to learn can be contributing factors too.
I would say mostly, it's the lack of opportunity and motive to dig deeper and seek out obscure knowledge from alternate sources - sometimes a dash of ignorance - most people have lives to live, though; they rarely have the time to sit there and comb through history while looking at it from multiple angles at once, let alone see a reason to question things so deeply.
The other part of the problem is indeed the obfuscation methods of Christianity and Satanism, which unfortunately can lead people on either side of that particular fence, on a bit of a goose chase until they're able to see the deeper connection - sounds a bit conceited when I write that out in text though, lol... That said, the clues are all around, especially in some of the music videos I post and explained in a couple of my research submissions.
In This Moment + Rob Halford Perform 'Black Wedding' (Billy Idol) - 2017 Loudwire Music Awards
Random101 ago
I agree, but I don't think it sounds conceited to speak of the obfuscation methods of Christianity and Satanism. Christianity is really based on the traditions of the Church Fathers, any attempt to look outside the box will be shut down. Satanism is necessarily secretive, you're unlikely to be a successful adversary if you telegraph your strategies to your opponent.
argosciv ago
Nail on the head there, I must say.
^ Especially this.
Shizy ago
Look deeper into Satan? I don't need to look deeper into what a bunch of brainwashed tools think Satan is, I have read the Bible. They can believe what they want but I don't need to hear their "enlightened" bullshit.
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
True that, but if just one person stumbles across the truth and holds onto it, it's worth it, no?
Truth is, nobody is going to tell me what Satanism is/isn't because I lived with one for 5 years. EVERYTHING about satan is about hatred: hate your competitor, hate authority, hate yourself. The person I got involved with hated himself (he was himself abused) and wanted VENGANCE and POWER. The group he was a part of was more than happy to oblige. Satanism is about doing things in the dark. The will NEVER tell the public what they are really about as they think it will diminish the power they have over others. Our society seems to operate where the truly powerful are behind a dark curtain. So if we know about the Rothchilds, Rockerfellers, Van Duyns etc, can you imagine what's lurking around in the darkness that gave them their power if people know their names? What about the ones we don't know about???
Satanism is about mixing dark and light so you can't tell the difference and become corrupted in the discovery process. That's been both my experience and the research I've done. So @Random101, I don't know if that's satan of Christianity or not, but it's what I lived through.
Random101 ago
Your experience is of one man's interpretation of Satanism. There are other interpretations, like "be the predator and not the prey".
Hatred can be a consequence of Satanism, but it isn't what defines it. A good example of this is Satan's role in King David's numbering of Israel. In this case it's irrational to think that Satan hated authority or himself.
It seems different, the Satan of Christianity is diabolical, and is generally assumed to be driven by pride rather that hatred. In the case of your acquaintance there's justice through vengeance. I don't know where the self-hatred came from.
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
Respectfully, the self hatred came from being a victim of child sexual abuse/incest but the hatred stemmed from the feeling of being helpless. I think I get what you're talking about, but all this "sympathy for the devil" rhetoric rubs me the wrong way. I wasn't Christian when I was dating him but I sure as hell became one after. He wasn't a sole practitioner. His "group" had all sorts to cover up their deeds: doctors, lawyers, police chiefs etc. I still count myself lucky to have gotten out of that relationship alive. He was an ex member and still full of hate.
Random101 ago
I get that children can blame themselves for being a victim, maybe the hatred was from the belief that there was no recourse? IDK. I think you misunderstand me, I don't have sympathy for the devil, but I don't equate the devil with satan. Devil means slanderer, satan means adversary. Christianity sees the devil and satan as being one and the same. If you can grok how Christianity has got it wrong then you're better position to understand the threats that Trump's Christianity faces. The biggest problem for them is Trump's ego, it makes them blind to the possibility that they are imperfect and that "Satan" does actually have a point to make.
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
Yes, satan has a point to make, that may be the "light" side, but what about the dark side? Crowley murdered 150 boys and those were the ones he actually confessed to. Did those boy "consent" to being murdered in a ritual??? For that matter, children aren't even capable of understanding when they are being GROOMED (let alone adults) so for all this talk about consent goes out the window. Eve consented because she was TRICKED. Kids are groomed by pedos because they are TRICKED. People give the devil/satan/lucifer a free pass because they have been TRICKED. I think you can see the pattern, right?
Random101 ago
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur: "The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived." Deception (especially religious deception) was the norm of Roman life. Vigilance is essential if you don't want to join the ranks of the misinformed.
argosciv ago
That's his problem and it's very much warped your understanding of the subject. You're entitled to your deductions, but, simply put, they're inaccurate and you have a lot more to study - yep, I'm a cunt, you're welcome to downvoat me - I'm surprised I haven't gotten more here already.
No, they aren't, because, "Telling someone a truth they're not yet ready to hear, is no different to telling them a lie"
Everything you need to know is available in the public domain, you're better off coming to your own conclusions than listening to others right off the bat anyway.
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
No truer statement. This is the problem with redpilling PG deniers.
argosciv ago
If you understand that, then I respectfully emplore you to keep researching with a slightly more open mind... a lot of people out there have fucked up and done fucking stupid shit in the name of Satan, the question is "why?", the easy answer is "because Satan", which is what nearly everyone falls back to...
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
Problem is, if you saw it in action-you might change your mind. I didn't believe that satan was really anything more than a concept until I saw someone that asked for their life to be influenced by him.
I'm trying to do more research to give a more broad perspective, but it is quite hard when your life has been affected by it. Do you have any suggested books/links?/data I should consider?
Cc1914 ago
I wouldn't ask argosciv for any advice if I were you , unless of course your looking to become a satanist yourself . I don't get that feeling though . Argosciv thinks it's ok to drink blood and he's also a dragon , did you know that? https://imgur.com/gallery/aAcxH
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
@Cc1914 Thanks for the heads up; I kind of figured that was his angle. I've already been through the open mind phase and saw as much of satanism as I could tolerate. Not going back. I'm here to save kids and save lost adults. There is nothing satanism can trick someone into that is beneficial in the long run-I've lived what the consequences are: endless desire for retribution. There is no peace. Only war. Internal and external. Nothing is going to move me that direction ever again. It is still the way of death and the grace of G-d has brought me back from the edge. I'm now warning all I can about the edge and how subtly deceptive it is.
Cc1914 ago
Well that's a relief . Good for you ! I feel if we are all here exposing this why should we have someone like that tricking us and practicing spiritism etc . I certainly don't want myself associated with threads that he's in . Just sayin ... we don't need anymore trickery .
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
@Cc1914 Completely understand. Appreciate your imgur post-gives me a jist of what other directions people are coming from with this satanic deception. Just like the way people are misled about G-d, people are misled about satanism as well, just in a different way. Thanks for havin' my back. :)
Cc1914 ago
Your so right and your welcome 🙂
argosciv ago
No attempt to be more of a cunt here, but, you don't know what I've seen and experienced in my own life ;)
In This Moment ft. Brent Smith - "Sexual Hallucination" (Official Audio)
Entheogenic - Soma (Veda Mix) (Music Video)
Like I said, that person had their own problems... not to rag on them, everyone has their 'demons' so to speak, the point is, don't restrict your research/perspective to his single example.
Keep asking the tough question, "why?"
Now that I can wholeheartedly agree with, I can even relate to it. As for where to start... shit, now that's always tough... like fuck, I'm sitting here thinking of something to get you going, but there's so many viable 'starting points', it's hard to pick one which is most relevant to your current understanding - that said, I have no idea exactly what you do or don't know or what sources led you to believe x/y/z.
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
Thanks for responding. Respectfully, I'm truly not trying to presume what you you've experienced, but actually value what you know about satanism. I've come at it from the angle of hermetisism (David Ovason) and some of the puzzle pieces that I've put together over the years researching cabalism, babylonian talmudism, thelema and some of the writings of Crowley. I've discovered just how much of a vile person Crowley was and fully believe Barbara is his daughter/son (if you know what I mean). I've also found an Affidavit from the son of Anton LeVey that authenticates that both papa and baby Bush were at a satanic ceremony in which said son was gelded. I can respect most people's beliefs unless said beliefs are violating someone's right to exist. I understand that for some, the reason for satanism is their desire for ultimate knowledge, but
And I understand why. We, as good, decent people were never meant to have to know so much about these ugly things. But these are the times were are in and we are in a war. And to save these children, we must risk much. But it's worth it. So, what kind of things should I be getting my head around about satanism?
argosciv ago
Finally! Something I can answer.
Note: You need to start paying attention to some of the music I post, there is often an underlying relevance or implication.
I remember telling someone a while ago, to start with Hermeticism and work backwards - they never replied and stopped posting entirely... haven't seen them since. Was known for causing problems though... forget his name. Anywho, first and foremost, Satanism is technically much much older than both Judaism and Islam which are in turn older than Christianity, in that it is rooted in even-more-ancient knowledge/religions - Thelema shares these same roots, but, is distinct from Satanism in many ways, now, regardless of what you may have heard and thus think of Crowley, Thelema provides a strong lesson in somewhat-plain text, "Do as thou will, shall be the whole of the law", which boiled down means, with the knowledge presented to you, do as thou will, but expect that others will do the same; if you abuse the rights of others, expect the righteous to come after you - conversely, if you take a righteous path, expect the corrupt to attack you.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke
In This Moment - "Roots" (Official Video)
LeVey fucked up, this is true, in his defense though, he did see the error of his ways towards the end and had some sort of deathbed revalation/confession. I have repeatedly said this in several places now, but here goes again:
The corrupt 'elite' have abused and exploited the knowledge found in Satanism and it's roots, scapegoating the religion like any other they disagree with, while simultaneously weaponizing it to fuck up insecure/vulnerable individuals amongst the masses.
I think you'll find, given some honest research without being caught up on the several traps laid out by corruptors over the years, that Satanism absolutely does not violate the rights of others - in fact it's one that specifically advises against/forbids harming animals/humans unnecessarily or wantonly. Knowledge is power, yes, but, the reasonable human being understands the cheesy old Spiderman quote, "With great power, comes great responsibility"
Ultimately, also, what you'll also find in life and in the teachings of practically any religion, is that death is not only unavoidable, but, in some way or another, is not the end...
Avatar - Black Waltz
carmencita ago
Shill
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
@carmencita, I'm sorry I don't understand. Could you tell me what was shill-like about my post please?
argosciv ago
Exactly. You don't understand.
carmencita ago
NO! Not you. The person you answered. Your answer was just fine, their comment was not :)
pizza-party-pooper-2 ago
No worries :) I really respect the work you've put into all this PG stuff. Just wanted to say that.
carmencita ago
TY. Everyone is important on here. We all give what we can. :)
DeathToMasonsASAP ago
Nope. Just the media. None of us are buying it.
Oh_Well_ian ago
they act like this shit just started lol
it's the reason CPS turned into a government kidnapping