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vahelper ago

You can add Sessions to that list. He certainly isn't doing anything to help. I have a question about Holmseth. He has audio of some of the perps admitting how the pedo ring is run. Have these all been released? It seems like a treasure trove of info but I've only heard one short convo with Allred's protege.

polwarrior30 ago

yeah Tory Smith knew. but you get an auto ban here if you even mention his name.

Thats why anyone discussing Tory smith should come to the r/torysmith sub on reddit. Those people are REALLY GOING IN DEPTH FAR MORE THAN THEY EVER WOULD HERE ON VOAT BECAUSE OF MODS.

They are welcoming new researchers as well.

SoberSecondThought ago

This is pretty desperate disinfo, man.

yeah Tory Smith knew. but you get an auto ban here if you even mention his name.

Really? Hm. Tory Smith! Tory Smith! I'm not seeing it.

As for the main topic, well, if you read the entire article, you will find nothing whatever tying Mike Pence to anything. Timothy Holmseth goes after a whole bunch of people in excruciating detail, and a court agreed with him just three weeks ago that he had been unjustly persecuted. However, the only thing he alleges about Pence is that he "must have known" about a shady company in Indiana that was involved in human trafficking.

Well, sure, Pence might have known something. There's absolutely no evidence offered that this case ever made it to his desk, or even that it ought to have done. But let's say that it did. Under the Obama DOJ how much difference would Pence knowing something about child traffickers have made? And let's be clear, the allegation implied in the title is that Pence is ignoring child trafficking as VP. Really? Is the VP in charge of scheduling investigations by the FBI? Does he recommend people for prosecution by the DOJ? There are 9,300 sealed indictments and counting. You don't think Pence knows all about that?

In short, the title is clickbait. This is a real researcher, doing good and important work, who has exposed important people as crooks. Unfortunately his message has been reduced to one throwaway sentence that doesn't even make sense.

Random101 ago

In what what do you think that the title doesn't make sense? I agree that Holmseth is probably reaching in saying that Pence must have known, but that doesn't change the fact that he did actually make the allegation.

SoberSecondThought ago

Holmseth unfortunately chooses to say that Pam Bondi and Mike Pence are in "wilful and obvious defiance" of Trump's executive order of Feb 2017. It's illogical to say that, since when Pence was governor of Indiana, Trump wasn't President, and wasn't even the front-runner Republican candidate. Pence could hardly defy an order that hadn't been given. And there's no evidence that he's in defiance of anything as VP; he's been Trump's most loyal supporter since he accepted the nomination.

The article you linked to uses that poorly worded statement as its conclusion, which is very bad journalism. While Holmseth did say it, it is scarcely his best moment. There's so much good material in Holmseth's letter that grabbing that one sentence is dishonest.

Also, just to be clear, I have a long investigative series where I show that Pence knew a great deal about child sex trafficking, and tried to expose it, but was shut down by threats. The series started back in October, here. You can look at the entire series in my submissions history. I'd be willing to bet that Holmseth is unaware of the Glenn Beck whistleblower episode and its implications. If he knew of Pence's role in that, I believe that he wouldn't even have written the throwaway sentence.

So just to be clear: I don't blame you for writing the title you did, as that correctly summarized the title of the article. I primarily blame the Public Intelligence Blog for exploiting a weak point in Holmseth's letter.

Random101 ago

Thanks for your critique, I like the rational approach you've taken to a difficult subject.

SoberSecondThought ago

Much appreciated.