http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it
Hillary and Bill Clinton took an extraordinary interest in Silsby’s case from the moment she was arrested and almost immediately stepped in on her behalf. The Harvard Human Rights Journal stated that one of Bill Clinton's first acts as special envoy for the United Nations in Haiti "was to put out the fire of a child abduction scandal involving American citizens."
On February 7th, 2010, The Sunday Times reported that Bill Clinton had intervened to strike a deal with the Haitian government, securing the release of all co-conspirators except for Silsby. Prosecutors ultimately sought a six-month sentence in Silsby's case, reducing charges for conspiracy and child abduction to mere "arranging irregular travel." A shockingly light penalty given the circumstances of her arrest, which would likely not have been possible but for the intervention of the Clintons in Silsby's case
On February 9th, 2010 Hillary Clinton consulted with Counselor Cheryl Mills and other attorneys in an email discussing the U.S. Government's "options" regarding the arrested Americans. The heavily redacted memo attached to that email does not reveal what these "options" consisted of. However, the State Department's American Citizens Services is only authorized to offer lists of local, English speaking attorneys to Americans arrested or detained abroad. To go beyond that authorization is a severe violation of protocol and is illegal. Additional emails reveal that the State Department was involved with making statements on the Silsby scandal and preparing to assist Silsby's co-conspirators with their return to the United States, although this is consistent with State Department protocol in these situations.
On February 11th, the New York Times reported that Silsby's original lawyer, Jorge Puello, was suspected of leading an international human trafficking ring involving women and minors. According the the Harvard Human Rights Journal Puello was ultimately arrested in an investigation being lead by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) in connection with the ring. He was wanted in the United States, El Salvador and Costa Rica for his involvement with a network trafficking Central Americans and Haitians.
At the time of his arrest, his wife was already imprisoned in El Salvador and “faced charges of presumed sexual exploitation of minors and women.” Puello was ultimately sentenced to three years in federal prison for "alien smuggling." Another surprisingly light sentence given the original charges he was sought for. It it not known at this time whether or not Laura Silsby was associated with Puello's criminal enterprise.
On November 4th, 2016 The Daily Beast wrote a non-factual and intentionally misleading article covering the Clinton-Silsby scandal. They accused Wikileaks of publicizing a "Reddit conspiracy theory" which was "riddled with incorrect information." The author, Ben Collins neglected to do basic research on the totality of the links presented in the post as evidence. Mr. Collins attacked the policies of r/the_donald towards freedom of speech and accused the forum of being racist without citing extensive or definitive proof. At no point did The Daily Beast provide proof that the allegations were not true, and did not disprove any of the evidence submitted. A link to an extensive study of the case by the Harvard Human Rights Journal which clearly linked Bill Clinton to the scandal was totally ignored. They similarly failed to acknowledge or address emails published by Wikileaks between Hillary Clinton and her legal counsel which may potentially indicate that she violated State Department policy for the treatment of U.S. citizens arrested or detained abroad.
The Daily Beast is a holding of American media conglomerate InterActiveCorp. Chelsea Clinton, Vice President of the Clinton Foundation and daughter of Hillary and Bill Clinton, sits on InterActiveCorp's Board of Directors. The proximity of the Clinton family to the organization responsible for oversight and direction of The Daily Beast raises questions about the publication's journalistic independence and their commitment to factual and ethical reporting on current events and topics of public interest. Given their slanderous and incorrect reporting on the Clinton-Silsby scandal, it seems clear that they do not hold these values in high regard
And how many more media outlets are doing cover ups? I think we know which ones
septimasexta ago
Just found out that the 10 missionaries had TWO lawyers! Jore Puello AND Edwin Coq
Coq was hired by PUELLO! He was fired by PUELLO when Coq was accused of BRIBING missionaries' way out of jail. Bribery is not uncommon in Haiti. IS THIS WHY BILL HAD TO INTERVENE?
https://www.zoominfo.com/p/Edwin-Coq/1446746559
http://homeopathyworldcommunity.ning.com/group/haitidisasterrelief/forum/topics/child-trafficking-started
"Edwin Coq, Haitian Lawyer For Jailed US Missionaries, Fired PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - The Haitian lawyer for 10 U.S. Baptists charged with child kidnapping tried to bribe the missionaries' way out of jail and has been fired, the attorney who hired him said Saturday night. The Haitian lawyer, Edwin Coq, denied the allegation. He said the $60,000 he requested from the Americans' families was his fee. Jorge Puello, the attorney in the neighboring Dominican Republic retained by relatives of the 10 American missionaries after their arrest last week, told The Associated Press that he fired Coq on Friday night. He had hired Coq to represent the detainees at Haitian legal proceedings. Coq orchestrated "some kind of extortion with government officials" that would have led to the release of nine of the 10 missionaries, Puello charged. Coq denied the requested $60,000 payment amounted to a bribe. "I have worked for 10 people for four days working all hours," he said. "Look at what hour I'm working now, responding to these calls. I have the right to this money." On Friday, Coq had told the AP that he was working for no fee. Puello said Coq initially requested $10,000 but kept asking for bigger and bigger amounts."
http://economicsnews.com/s/businesscaribbean_old1/ "Edwin Coq, Haitian Lawyer For Jailed US Missionaries, FiredHuffington Post
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6769966/bill-clinton-urges-solution-to-haiti-kidnap-case/ The missionaries' lawyer, Edwin Coq, said he had requested the 10 be released provisionally pending the further hearings, but no decision was immediately taken on that. Coq said the Americans, who had been held at police headquarters up to now, were taken after the questioning on Friday to established prisons -- the women to a women's prison in the Petionville suburb and the men to the quake-damaged central prison in the capital. "
Please note that the links no longer work. Coincidence? ESPECIALLY THIS ONE: http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/6769966/bill-clinton-urges-solution-to-haiti-kidnap-case/
Are_we_sure ago
You're just learning this? They actually had more than two lawyers, not including Puello who was not a lawyer.
You knew Puello was not a lawyer right? Who did you think was representing them in court? They needed a real lawyer licensed to practice in Haiti. Puello was exposed and disappeared before they got out of jail and certainly before Silsby trial which was months later.
He claimed to be a lawyer, but he was not Haitian. He was living in the Domican Republic, so he was not licensed to practice law in Haiti. He was acting as legal adviser. Puello was just a conman. He found out where the missionaries were from and contact their families in Idaho and that's how he got hired. I don't think he spoke to Silsby or anyone else in Haiti first.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/world/americas/16haiti.html
I think Puello was trying to steal Coq's legal fee. Coq was a real lawyer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/world/americas/12haiti.html? “I help people in this kind of situation. We’re not going to charge these people a dime.” But other lawyers for the detainees said that the families had wired Mr. Puello $12,000 to pay for the Americans’ transportation out of Haiti if they were released, and that they had been told by Mr. Puello in a conference call late Tuesday that he needed an additional $36,000. Mr. Puello said that he had not participated in a conference call.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/world/americas/24puello.html
new4now ago
How would these families come up with Lawyers down there?
Have they worked with them before?
Did recommendation come through somewhere? Wink wink
with Silsby background, why on earth would she be hired anywhere, yet alone as a titled worker at Alert Sense?
Makes me think of how the Dems moved people publicly busted and put them in another area of the Dem machine
it just doesn't make sense
And more complexing is that no reporter really dug into it
Are_we_sure ago
Puello was a conman and he reached out to the families in Idaho, through their church I believe. As for the recomendations. Do you know about consular services? The first item on the list of things they can do is
The story of Jorge Puello was extensively covered in the press. See my other comment.
new4now ago
Seems he was covered more than anything else
septimasexta ago
A previous VOATER challenged The Sunday Times account. CNN ARTICLE BACKS IT UP:
"Clinton brokers deal over Haiti orphan abductions Tony Allen-Mills February 7 2010, 12:01am, The Sunday Times A DIPLOMATIC deal over the 10 American missionaries jailed in Haiti on child abduction charges may lead to the release this week of all except the group's leader, Laura Silsby, according to legal sources in Port-au-Prince.
The intervention of Bill Clinton, the former president, who is co-ordinating relief efforts in Haiti, may accelerate the resolution of an affair that has embarrassed the US government, dismayed relief agencies and angered many Haitians who believe their plight is being exploited by unscrupulous foreigners.
During a visit to Port-au-Prince on Friday, Clinton said the Haitian government was "not looking for some big fight. They just want to protect their children ... I think they'll find a way to defuse the crisis"." https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/clinton-brokers-deal-over-haiti-orphan-abductions-v63ld395r7b
CNN confirms the Clinton visit. The dates match up. Of course, Bill does not advertise that he will try to get the traffickers out of jail. According to CNN, he had just been there 2 weeks prior. WHY THE HASTY RETURN? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/04/bill-clinton-to-return-to-haiti/ "February 4th, 2010 09:50 AM ET Bill Clinton to return to Haiti
New York (CNN) – Former President Bill Clinton plans to return to Haiti Friday to meet with Haitian leaders...."
"Clinton traveled to Haiti two weeks ago, days after the quake, to meet with Haitian and U.N. officials and deliver food and water as well as medical supplies, solar flashlights, portable radios and generators, the William J. Clinton Foundation statement said."
Are_we_sure ago
No it doesn't. It in no way backs it up.
Nobody is saying Bill Clinton wasn't in Haiti in Feb 2010. Anyone who is familiar with what happened knows this. Yes, he was there on the dates, but why was he there?
This is the problem with coming up with a big shocker of a story and then looking for evidence of support. You don't end up looking at the whole picture. 6 years after the Haitian Earthquake, a guy on Reddit claims he discovered a scandal in Clinton's email regarding Laura Silsby and claimed there was a cover up. His entire story rests on the COMPLETELY FALSE claim that Clinton knew of Silsby from 2001 and basically argued it was because of this personal connection that the State Department followed Silsby's case and claimed the media covered this up.
There was no media cover up because the claim that Clinton knew Silsby was false and the State Deparment's consular services are available to any American, including Americans arrested overseas. In ensuring the legal rights of Americans arrested overseas is one the highest priorities of the State Department. William Craddick/PleadingtheYiff knew his audience would not know any of this and this is how he built his deceitful argument. International Media would absolutely know about consular services and many of them would have had need to make use of consular services when they reported in other countries. This is why there was no media outcry even after the Clinton emails were released. These were not shocking. Everyone knew the Silsby case was an interntational incident and that Secretary Clinton would be asked about it. Baptist leaders were calling on Obama to intervene. Conservative newspapers were calling the Adminstration feckless for letting Americans rot in a dirty Haitian jail. The NY Times ran a sympathetic story about the terrible conditions these poor Baptist missionaries were kept in. This is why this whole Silsby narrative only exists on Reddit and VOAT and was not used by Republicans campaign operatives looking to hurt Clinton. It's not true and everybody who covered the story knows it.
Everybody except one guy at the UK Times, story that no other media from the US, UK or Haiti backed up and that UK Times never mentioned again. septimasexta says this story is backed up by a CNN article showing the dates match up. In fact, the Times article was late. The quotes used in the The Times article were already used by CNN 2 days before the times article. And the CNN article makes a couple of things clear.
A. The US government is not going to interfere with Haitian judicial process. B. Bill Clinton was in Haiti on behalf of the UN, not representing the US government. (Even as an ex-president and wife of the Secretary of State, he was just citizen and would need authorization to speak on behalf of the government.) C. Bill Clinton's quotes (later used by the Times UK) were actually in support of point A.
In fact, Bill Clinton's quotes only come at the end of a long article where both Hillary Clinton and State Department spokesman make clear the Baptists fate is the hands of the Haitian court system. http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/05/haiti.arrests/index.html
So this is two days before the UK Times article and this is how other outlets reported it as well. Note that the Times article never claims this was some secret mission.
One day after the UK Times article, this article on Clinton's time in Haiti doesn't mention the Baptists at all. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/05/haiti.bill.clinton/index.html
Two days after the UK Times article, the entire premise of that article is rejected by the State Department http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/09/haiti.clinton.arrests/index.html
They Hillary Clinton will not get involved in any personal appeals and Bill Clinton will not be involved at all.
So the premise of that UK Times article based on an anonymous source was explicitly rejected by the State Department. No other media reporting this no in the US, not in Haiti, not the International Press. None. Then's it's rejected on the record by the State Department. Nothing comes out in the 7 years since it happened to indicate the Times got their story right, not here or in Haiti, even after Clinton runs for President.
And the nail in the coffin? The UK Times drops it completely. Here's their story on Bill Clinton's heart surgery https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/emergency-heart-surgery-for-bill-clinton-after-haiti-trips-wjxztrtpbw3
No mention AT ALL of this world exclusive scoop from the UK Times. They do mention he went to Haiti twice at the urging of the UN.
septimasexta ago
Let me take off my jacket. Just encountered a lot of HOT AIR.
OK, if you don't trust the Rupert Murdoch controlled Sunday Times: "The Sunday Times has acquired a reputation for the strength of its investigative reporting – much of it by its award-winning Insight team – and also for its wide-ranging foreign coverage." "The Sunday Times is the largest-selling British national newspaper in the "quality press" market category. It is published by Times Newspapers Ltd, a subsidiary of News UK, which is in turn owned by News Corp." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sunday_Times
Then how about the Rothschild controlled REUTERS????????
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN05143144._CH_.2400 FEBRUARY 6, 2010 / 5:28 AM / 8 YEARS AGO Bill Clinton urges solution to Haiti 'kidnap' case
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Feb 5 (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Bill Clinton urged the U.S. and Haitian governments on Friday to resolve the case of 10 American missionaries accused of trying to take children illegally out of quake-hit Haiti.
"Clinton, named by the United Nations to coordinate relief efforts for survivors of the devastating Jan. 12 quake, made the appeal during a visit to the shattered Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince, his second since last month’s disaster."
The Americans’ case is diplomatically sensitive and aid groups complain it has distracted media and world attention away from the struggle to feed and shelter hundreds of thousands of Haitians camped out in wrecked streets.
"What’s important now is for the government of Haiti and the government of the United States to get together and work through this," Clinton told CNN in Port-au-Prince.
He said he understood the Haitian government’s efforts to try to protect its children from possible child traffickers and unlawful adoptions following the catastrophic quake.
But he also said the missionaries could be telling the truth when they argued they simply wanted to help the children and did not mean to violate any laws. Evidence has emerged that many of the intercepted children were not orphans but were given up by parents who wanted them to have a better life."
CHECKMATE YOU LOSE Personally, I think this leak is how the Lynn De Rothschild types control the Clintons. HE WAS WARNED.
"The government of Haiti ... (is) not looking for some big fight here. They just want to protect their children and they also want to make sure they have a good inventory so they don’t send children away that maybe have an aunt or an uncle that have an income," Clinton said."
Are_we__sure ago
It's not that I don't trust the UK Times. I think they are legitimate source. I see no support for this story. All legitimate newspapers get things wrong because real jouralism is hard. To me it seems like a source in Haiti heard Clinton came to town at the same time the Silsby case was causing headlines wordwide and made an assumption passed along incorrect information. The Times said nothing about this being a secret mission. When Clinton or Carter acted as envoys for the US government it was public info before they even left the United States.
Again this article has no support at all from any other media source or from the various lawyers (including a few Americans) working on behalf of the Baptists, no Hatian media reported this. Nothing in 7 years came out to support this one article when tons of info came out on the Clinton's during the election. It was explicitly denied a few days later AND THE UK TIMES never repeated the claim even in an article on Bill Clinton 5 days later.
I've seen this Reuters article and it's one of the reasons I think the Times is wrong. The Reuters article completely supports my point of view. It's the same quotes as used in the CNN story I posted. The CNN story with those quotes came out on Feb 5, the Reuters story Feb 6 and the UK Times article on Feb 7. Clinton goes to Haiti as the UN envoy for relief efforts and is obviously asked about the Baptists. That is the context of all these quotes. These are not official pronouncements of all these quotes.
Clinton is not saying he is working on something. He is saying he hopes the US Government and the Haitian Government can work something out. Bill Clinton is speaking as an outsider, as a citizen. He does not represent the US Government.
Did you not see this subhead in the Reuters article
You can do a search for February 5-7 2010 and Bill Clinton and see how other media articles covered Bill Clinton and used his quotes from that day. Only the UK times report some diplomatic role. ABC's Nightline spent the day with him on Feb 5. He helicoptered in from the Domincan Republican and spent six hours on the ground. He brought supplies, visited an AIDS clinic, etc. Remember the earthquake was a much, much more urgent event and story than the 10 Baptists. This is what I was talking about when viewing the past through a filter. If you only search for Silsby, you don't get the whole picture.
ABC News
HAITIAN-TRUTH.ORG
There are many, many other examples you can find. None support the UK Times claim.
So you not only don't even have me at checkmate. I'm a different table in a different tournament. A tournament that actually has some more facts of what happened 7 years ago.
septimasexta ago
Bill and Hillary are documented liars.
According to Reuters and The Sunday Times, Bill directly inserted himself into the Silsby affair. Bill was not working directly for the U.S. government at the time, so of course his WIFE, who WAS working for the U.S. government, could claim "The U.S. government, ....... is providing the Americans with consular access and monitoring their case, but it has made clear it does not want to interfere." Bill is the messenger to Haitian officials and Hillary is the enforcer. BONNIE AND CLYDE! Sounds like..."Do what my husband says or we will cut off your aid!
You have lot's of time on your hands. Are you a Clinton Foundation layoff victim?
Are_we__sure ago
You again are wrong about this. Reuters contradicts the Times. Reuters points out that Bill Clinton was not involved in the Silsby affair. I don't think you are actually concerned at all with what Reuters actually said. You want to maintain your fantasy.
And it's not only Reuters, you can't find another media outlet who reported what the Times reported. And the Times did not say this was some secret mission. It was publicly refuted days later by the State Department. So what did the Times do? Did they do a big expose on how the State Department was lying? No. They dropped the claim and never mentioned it again. Even on the article on Bill Clinton 5 days later. Why did the UK Times drop this claim?
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/emergency-heart-surgery-for-bill-clinton-after-haiti-trips-wjxztrtpbw3
Emergency heart surgery for Bill Clinton after Haiti trips James Bone in New York February 12 2010, 12:01am, The Times
Bill Clinton underwent emergency heart surgery last night after he complained of chest pains.
The former President, who was reported to have been tired and suffering from a cold after two trips to Haiti since the earthquake, had two stents inserted in one of his coronary arteries at a hospital in New York. He was in good spirits and up and walking around after his surgery.
Terry McAuliffe, former Democratic National Committee chairman and a close friend of the Clintons, said that Mr Clinton participated in a conference call on earthquake relief as he was being wheeled into an operating room.
His wife, Hillary, the US Secretary of State, remained in Washington to attend a weekly Oval Office meeting with President Obama before heading back to New York. Mrs Clinton had been scheduled to depart today for a five-day visit to Qatar and Saudi Arabia, but officials said that she would now delay the trip by a day.
The couple’s daughter, Chelsea, was at the hospital with her father. Mr Obama called Mr Clinton to wish him a speedy recovery.
Mr Clinton, 63, had a quadruple bypass operation in 2004 to clear four blocked arteries. He had a second operation in 2005 to remove scar tissue and fluid that had built up after the original surgery.
Allan Schwartz, his cardiologist, said that Mr Clinton came to see him complaining of discomfort and that tests showed one of the arteries operated on in 2004 needed to be reopened.
“Of the four bypass grafts that he had six years ago, one of the bypass grafts was completely blocked,” Dr Schwartz said. “The artery that had been supplied previously by this bypass graft was opened by placing the two stents.”
He said there was no indication that Mr Clinton had had a heart attack or of any damage to his heart. Dr Schwartz, head of cardiology at the Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in New York, said that Mr Clinton was up and walking around and should go home later today to resume his “very active lifestyle”. He said he could return to work as soon as Monday.
The doctor said the blocked artery was not a result of Mr Clinton’s diet or lifestyle, which he described as excellent. He said the grafts Mr Clinton received in 2004 had a failure rate of up to 20 per cent at five
septimasexta ago
"Emergency heart surgery for Bill Clinton after Haiti trips February 12 2010,
Bill Clinton underwent emergency heart surgery last night after he complained of chest pains. The former President, who was reported to have been tired and suffering from a cold after two trips to Haiti since the earthquake, had two stents inserted in one of his coronary arteries at a hospital in New York. He was in good spirits and up and walking around after his surgery. Terry McAuliffe, former Democratic National Committee chairman and a close friend of the Clintons, said that Mr Clinton participated in a conference call on earthquake relief as he was being wheeled into an operating room. His wife, Hillary, the US Secretary of State, remained in Washington to attend a weekly Oval Office meeting with President Obama before heading back to New York. Mrs Clinton had been scheduled to depart today for a five-day visit to Qatar and Saudi Arabia, but officials said that she would now delay the trip by a day.
The couple’s daughter, Chelsea, was at the hospital with her father. Mr Obama called Mr Clinton to wish him a speedy recovery."
COMMENT In hindsight, this part of the article is quite revealing. Didn't Breitbart die from a heart attack? Even his coroner was knocked off. BILL is making deals for relief money. The Haitian government holding Silsby needs relief money. DUH. Bills devoted wife can't take the time to be with her husband in the hospital. SHE IS BUSY MAKING TRAFFICKING DEALS WITH THE SAUDIS who were also major Clinton Foundation donors. I would be willing to bet she met with some of the recently rounded up Saudi princes! Poor Chelsea!
March 8, 2012 Eric Holder, Andrew Breitbart and the CIA Heart Attack Gun
"Back in 1975, a CIA whistle-blower blew the lid off of a top secret US government weapon called the ‘heart attack gun’. Operating much like a modern vaccine or shot dispenser in lieu of a syringe, the gun shoots a small, dissolvable projectile. The Info Wars article also includes a black and white image from the 1975 US Senate hearing into the matter showing Sen. Frank Church and Sen. John Tower holding up the secret CIA ‘heart attack gun’.
According to descriptions, the small projectile delivers a shellfish toxin that in 1975, was allegedly stored in bulk by the CIA. Once the toxin enters the blood stream of a victim, a massive heart attack quickly follows. The reason government agents reportedly use the shellfish toxin is because it rapidly dissolves in the blood stream. With the exception of the small, barely noticeable entrance wound, the death would look like a natural heart attack." http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12012/eric-holder-andrew-breitbart-and-the-cia-heart-attack-gun613
METHINKS YOU PROTEST TOO MUCH. The Clinton's actions are obvious. Bill's handlers are making sure he does the right thing.
Are_we_sure ago
You are a loon. Bill Clinton did not have a heart attack in Feb 2012.
Breitbart had a history of heart trouble and this is why is family And no his coroner was not knocked off. The guy in CA who died was not a coroner who needs to be a medical doctor in CA and he had zero to do with the Breitbart's autopsy.
METHINKS y'all have created a mountain of conspiracy based on a tissue thin foundation that falls apart at the slighest scutiny, but you will remain immune to the facts. So it's the same protest, just repeated every time this incident is lied about.
Also everyone knows Steve Bannon killed Andrew Breitbart.
septimasexta ago
FROM THE PAPER JOHN PODESTA WORKS FOR: "Clinton underwent the procedure at the same hospital where he underwent quadruple heart bypass surgery in 2004. The former president had recurring episodes of chest pain over the past several days, a Clinton aide said, and he could have suffered a heart attack if the condition had gone untreated." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/12/AR2010021201442.html
Clinton's Rothschild handlers were giving him a warning......
new4now ago
Clinton went to North Korea to help the release of two "journalists" also
Why?
As are we sure said, that's the job of the Secretary of State
septimasexta ago
Bill Clinton has never been Secretary of State. Haiti is a sovereign country. There are U.S. laws to prevent "meddling".
If I recall, the 2 journalists and a little girl eating pizza were on Alefantis' "Jimmy Comet" instagram photo. Does anyone have that link? I think all of the instagrams were archived.
Are_we_sure ago
There's plenty of evidence of those women being journalists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyNiQPEdAVA
Why did Bill Clinton go instead of the Secretary of State? Because we don't have diplomatic relations with North Korea. We don't "officially" talk to them, so we can't use official diplomats If an American in North Korea needs consular services, they go to the Swedish embassy. Also when Bill went, North Korea rejected other possibilities like Al Gore. Not high enough status.
When Clinton was in office and wanted to negotiate on their nuclear program Jimmy Carter was the envoy. He offered to do the same for President Trump.
That photo was emailed to Podesta.
septimasexta ago
This is the link on VOAT I was talking about: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1446694
"The women in the pizza.jpg photo were the two journalists that got captured in North Korea a few years ago while "investigating" HUMAN TRAFFICKING" https://i.sli.mg/THlx9e.jpgJPG PLEASE NOTE THE ABOVE INSTAGRAM PHOTO HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN
"Well, not just any women. One of them I believe is Laura Ling. Pretty famous person." http://media.npr.org/assets/artslife/books/2010/05/somewhere-inside/laura-and-lisa-ling-704d3f23c5dc55123909fe8af59f7222423f50ec-s300-c85.jpgJPG
Are_we_sure ago
You should read this comment on that thread
It's the wrong Andrew Klein and this has been known for quite a long time.
You seem to be smearing two journalists. They are actual journalists and they were investigating human trafficking and got duped into being arrested by North Korea. They were doing a story on the desperate people who escape North Korea into China. The women have no legal status and no protection and often are taken by traffickers. They met a source who said he would show them something important, but was working with North Korea and he convinced them to come into NK territory and they were arrested.
Yeah, Lisa Ling is a well known TV journalist for a couple of decades know.
What exactly is the accusation you're making.
You seem to be assuming criminality and then simply noting connections without providing any proof of the original criminality and then assuming every connection is criminal too. Life doesn't work that way.
Are_we__sure ago
This is a complete misread of what happened. Bill Clinton DID NOT INTERVENE see below.
The State Department got involved because that is what they do. Assisting Americans arrested overseas is a high priority of the State Department. They got involved with 10 AMCITS as the emails called them--American Citizens-- because they had no idea who Silsby and her crew were. It went to the top of the State Department because it was an international incident. This is the key email on this and pizzagaters NEVER discuss this https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765
Instead they love to talk about "an email from 2001" that is NOT an email and is NOT from 2001.
There was zero personal connection between Hillary Clinton and Laura Silsby before she was arrested. There's no media coverup whatsoever because it never happened.
The author of this Zero Hedge article consciously lied about that. He wrote the original piece on Reddit with this claim:
This story is completely debunked here https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2122876
The document he claims in an email from 2001 is quite clearly not an email and also quite clearly was written in 2010 AFTER the Haitian Earthquake. This is why I say he's a liar. Most pizzagate people are not even aware of this email https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/3765
It shows exactly how that Word doc from 2010 got in Clinton's inbox. It was an attachment to that email. That email quite clearly shows the first time that Clinton even became aware of Silsby's group. It absolutely proves that Clinton nor anyone else at the State Department knew who Silsby was before she was arrested in Haiti.
This law article states this but it is false. It was reported in one media outlet that Bill Clinton intervened in this case, The UK Times, but it's highly dubious that was true. No other media reported it at the time or in the seven and a half years since it happened, even as H. Clinton's record was thoroughly examined for two years during a presidential run. No Haitian media reported this. And it was never even mentioned again by UK Times. It was explicitly denied by the State Department two days after that original report ](http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/09/haiti.clinton.arrests/index.html)) It would have been a very big story for the media to catch the State Department lying about this and they did not. That is because the UK Times reported on a rumor that turned out to be false. Bill Clinton was back in NY while all 10 Baptists were still in Jail. The Harvard journal article by the law professor relies on the false UK Times report. It's not a second source. And the law professor says Clinton was in Haiti for 30 days working on this deal, that is false. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/2255382/11157188
umpteenth ago
There are pictures of slisby and clinton together ffs!
Are_we__sure ago
You can't honestly believe that can you? Please tell me you're just trying to troll and you don't actually believe that.
umpteenth ago
fuck off hilary
Are_we__sure ago
It seems like you're dumb enough to believe there are pictures of Silsby and Clinton.
Well prove me wrong.
Here's your chance.
Show me the evidence of these photos.
Oh_Well_ian ago
still in there swinging, eh kid fucker ?
tic toc @are_we_sure
oneiromancy ago
I merely assumed Sillsby and Clinton were buddies based on the fact that the Clintons are scumbags, but I don't see anything in the e-mail leaks supporting this notion. If 'shewhomustbeobeyed' is correct, then your namecalling and continued assertions of bogus information being true will only serve to discredit everything we're doing.
Are_we_sure ago
I doubt Silsby ever even voted for Clinton. What do we know about Silsby?
She was from Idaho. She was a Baptist.
Clinton doesn't have ties to Idaho that I know of. It's also so Republican, I don't know if Clinton even campaigned there
White Southern Baptists from red states don't tend to be Clinton Supporters. And Silsby's church was from the conservative wing of the Baptists and very opposed to things like gay marriage.
shewhomustbeobeyed posted the same link the OP cited.
NoBS ago
Saying all Baptist are honest is like saying Obama is a Christian.
Your ignorance is staggering to the point of deception.
Oh_Well_ian ago
lol hey faggot new account shill cunt !!
welcome !!
shewhomustbeobeyed ago
http://archive.is/2017.07.31-031754/http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-25/clinton-silsby-trafficking-scandal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it
new4now ago
Thanks
Marfa-Lights ago
Why did Vernon Howell change his name to David Koresh? striking similarities between Koresh and Cyrus R. Teed, a former Union Army medical corpsman in the Civil War who changed his name to Cyrus Teed Koresh and founded a religious commune called the Koreshan Unity. Why were the Governments so scared of this cult that they needed to wipe them all out? Were they getting to close to some truths? What did Teed Koresh believe to be true? is NASA and the government hiding more from us than we could ever imagine? Just a thought.
http://nstarzone.com/WACO1.html
new4now ago
There is definitely something more to Waco then the news said
Then the Oklahoma bombing happen that was suppose to be in retaliation for Waco,
And you get one hell of a cover up with so many deaths
SMH...it has to stop