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datadawg ago

Yes! It all relates together. Their is a psychological state that abusers are trying to reach in their victims. In anthropology they call it liminality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality

re mk ultra they are supposedly looking for a specific type of person that has the necessary intelligence and personality to 'dissociate'. People that can dissociate can be molded by programmers into having split personalities that can be activated by things like imagery, smell, etc.

So imagine you have a systematic process for esentially creating slaves that might go something along these lines: 1. abuse children to see if they have the ability to 'dissociate' 2. program children that can dissociate via ritualized abuse to do what 'they' want. Wipe their memories with drugs. 3. release them into society and support their career rise, trigger split personality when triggered 4. damage control and reprogramming when they fall apart psychologically

argosciv ago

While Liminality is a very interesting topic and in many ways relevant - there's no direct correlation between it and sexual abuse/mind control.

The dissociative state you speak of, however, is definitely something sought by abusers and those who seek to enslave - indeed, many a systematic approach exists for such corruption. I'd go into more detail but I'm heading to bed soon.

datadawg ago

appreciate the reply. I guess what I was suggessting is that liminal states in combination with what the west would call sexual abuse have often been used to heighten the liminality. Here are some docs:

victor turner godfather of liminal http://faculty.trinity.edu/mbrown/whatisreligion/PDF%20readings/TurnerVictor-%20Liminality%20and%20Communitas.pdf

example of ritualized abuse to achieve liminal state https://www.youthdebates.org/t/male-initiation-to-the-sambia-tribe-children-forced-to-preform-oral-sex-on-men/68055

I'm sure there are other examples, but the above was from a brief search

The idea is that sexual abuse may serve a psychological function, and not just be about the pedo being a pedo. Is there a network doing this?

9217 ago

I know the example re: Papua New Guinea is random, but some of those cultures also practice ritual cannibalism. Michael Rockefeller disappeared while living with one such cannibalistic group there.

http://archive.is/ldbBN

datadawg ago

Then of course you have the incans who apparently drugged the people sacrificed before they sacrificed them. (https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/07/130729-inca-mummy-maiden-sacrifice-coca-alcohol-drug-mountain-andes-children/))

The incan case is interesting because they had a separate language that they used only for rituals, and a form of it is still spoken today in Bolivia and Peru as Quechua. There was Aymara, which is also still spoken in parts of Bolivia and Peru. Aymara was the common language and Quechua was the ceremonial language. Then Quechua spread out to the masses and became spoken by them. Imagine that, having a whole separate language just for performing rituals. They really perfected their ability to get ppl into liminal states.

9217 ago

Don't even get me started on the Mayans/Incans/Aztecs.

Child sacrifice in pre-Columbian cultures

"According to Bernardino de Sahagún, the Aztecs believed that, if sacrifices were not given to Tlaloc, the rain would not come and their crops would not grow. Archaeologists have found the remains of 42 children sacrificed to Tlaloc (and a few to Ehecátl Quetzalcóatl) in the offerings of the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan. In every case, the 42 children, mostly males aged around six, were suffering from serious cavities, abscesses or bone infections that would have been painful enough to make them cry continually. Tlaloc required the tears of the young so their tears would wet the earth. As a result, if children did not cry, the priests would sometimes tear off the children's nails before the ritual sacrifice.[7]"

I see ^^ that as somehow related to the possible extraction of Adrenochrome in modern cults/organized child abuse rings - if what Hunter Thompson described is actually a thing, and I don't know if it is or not, but Thompson was accused of involvement in the Franklin Scandal by Paul Bonnaci and Ted Gunderson also thought he was involved in snuff/etc.

Vindicator ago

TFW it's the same demon demanding the blood of children on every continent, in every age. /shudder/

9217 ago

Exactly. 0_0