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Votescam ago

Organized patriarchal religion is about male-supremacy ....

The Old Testament/Hebrew was written to cement patriarchy.

The New Testament delivered a hero "Jesus" -- a humanist who stood against the oppression of women and against a violent "god" and that figure has gradually been washed away/diluted by Elites who require an under-class in order to profit.

These religions underpin Elite Patriarchy which has always been connected internationally, by interests, marriage, business dealings -- whatever.

We are also now coming to awareness that ISLAM was created by the Vatican ... in order to better control the Arab world.

IF you are truly concerned with the welfare of children, don't support organized patriarchal religions -- such as those listed.... who have long been involved in the oppression of females/women.

It is the oppression of females by male-supremacists which has always permitted the sexual abuse of children by males.

INCEST is one of our oldest crimes and it is carried out by males. Fathers, Grandfathers, Brothers, Uncles, male cousins -- male friends of the family.

Additionally, all of these major religions at one time taught Reincarnation .... "which became inconvenient for Elites."

garouwarrior ago

"CIA (Catholics in Action) has even recently been involved in creating a more violent strain of Islam."

http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000187.htm

THE CATHOLICS AND THE CIA

**The CIA tended to avoid involving the Catholic clergy in their activities. **First of all, the Catholic clergy was not as enamored with the CIA and the American business community as were the Protestant missionaries; secondly, so appalled had much of the Catholic clergy become over the worsening conditions of the poor in Latin America that many of them were beginning to embrace a new and revolutionary theology known as Liberation Theology, a theology which, in essence, stood against everything U.S. corporate interests were up to in Latin America. All this goes a long way in shedding some light on why the governing elites of Latin America opened up the doors of their countries to the Protestant missionaries. One would have thought - given the Catholicism of most in Latin America's ruling elite - that they would have done the opposite - prevented the penetration of their countries by the Protestants. But their financial interests took precedence over their religious interests - hence the aid they offered, in coordination with the CIA, to the Protestant missionairy.

Votescam ago

garou --

Did you take a look at Walter Veith/YouTube? Vatican creation of Islam?

That's basis #1.

There were periods of more liberal leadership of the RCC at times... -- certainly true during Pope John XXIII's reign/Vatican II -- but quickly reversed.

True that Liberation Theology did exist for a too brief time -- overturned by the Polish/CIA Pope. Who also, btw, returned Opus Dei to power in the Church. Had been forced out by John XXIII/Vatican II.

Elite Catholics aren't believers in religion -- only consider it useful -- money/power is highest interest. Protestantism was at that time also primarily male-dominated religion.

Goes something like this ... "Commonfolk think religion is true. Wiser folk know it is false. Elites think it is useful."

As for the Evangelicals ... Benedict was talking about moving the church in direction of Evangelicalism. Happily he's gone. But who knows who is really running the Church -- Benedict or Frances ... or ...???

The other night I punched the wrong numbers into my remote and Jimmy Swaggart popped - still preachin' to an audience -- which suggests to me that not only is the whole thing about $$$, it's supported by members who are either fools or perverts, as well.

Nor have I ever really believed the "boogey man" of right wing Fundi religion. It's a cover for racism, sexism, homophobia and seeks to control our societies just as RCC does.

What's your impression of Evangelicals/Fundi's?

From what internet friends in the South have told me over the years, their societies are usually very controlled right wing ... but also has a LOT to do with MIC in those areas.

But, Protestants obviously didn't protect those Latin American countries from exploitation by Elites, either.

Once you're talking Vatican and/or CIA you're also talking propaganda ...

You can also see here the reality of fascism in Spain had a great deal to do with Spain becoming a democracy and the "unhappiness" of the RCC re Separation of Church & State ....

**George Seldes

The Vatican Propaganda Machine: The Spanish “Civil War” Lesson**

From George Seldes, the “dean and granddaddy of investigative reporters,” when it comes to issues important to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, “… there is no free press in America.” Seldes’s extensive study of the Spanish Civil War and the related control of the American press by the Catholic hierarchy is exceedingly instructive for all who are concerned about this freedom.

In 1931, Spain became the Republic of Spain, a liberal democracy that separated church and state, ended State monetary support for the church and adopted the principles of Freedom of Conscience, Freedom of Religion, and Freedom of the Press. The Vatican feared for the Church’s very survival in Spain. There had been four insurrections since 1835, and it was the Spanish people, the poor workers and poor peasants, who burned the churches because they blamed the hierarchy for having persistently backed the upper class. The latest uprising against the Catholic Church took place throughout the country in July, 1936. One historian described it as “the work of masses of common people, a spontaneous uprising.” The Vatican feared that the liberal democracy with its freedoms would spell the end of the Church in Spain. http://churchandstate.org.uk/2012/10/the-vatican-propaganda-machine-the-spanish-civil-war-lesson/

ADDITIONALLY ....

American Civil War -- Assassination of Lincoln

The Vatican HATED the U.S. before the fall of the Papal States!!

Before the fall of the Papal States in 1870, the Vatican HATED the United States and its Constitution. The U.S. was a haven for many of the refugees who fled Europe after the Revolution of 1848. Garibaldi and Gazazzi were welcomed as HEROES by the Protestant U.S. Many in the U.S. supported the liberation of Italy and contributed to its success with soldiers and money.

The Vatican NEVER forgave the U.S. for that support to the liberators.

Thank God we didn't have the 20th Amendment when Lincoln won the election. He needed a lot of time to select patriotic and qualified men to help him save the Union. If the 25th Amendment was in force then there would be no United States today!!

Was also watching Aubrey Dulles -- nephew of Allen Dulles -- and his rise in the Vatican ... thought for sure he'd be next Pope, but evidently he died at the Vatican.

It was also confirmed to me by another poster -- not here -- that CIA funded the Vatican -- which would have been connected to Operation Gladio .... the CIA Operation to keep right wing governments in place in countries over which the US had control and influence after WWII ... Japan, Germany, Italy, and France -- but I'd include likely also Greece and UK ...

Didn't know that CIA were moving funds to Vatican to keep communists out in Italy.

This would have been in relationship to Operation Gladio.

In order to actually understand the length, depth, width of conspiracy ... you have to understand these related CIA operations which were being put in play two years before the end of WWII by extend OSS (instituted by Council on Foreign Relations) to CIA .. .but continual operations.

See: Operation Mockingbird — scroll down to “History” — which was being written two years before the end of WWII.

See: Operation Paperclip — Wiki’s figures are low — at the minimum 64,000+ which included families but more likely 200,000 according to Kay Griggs/YouTube.

See: Operation Gladio — US program to keep right wing governments in place in the countries over which they had control after WWII — Germany, Japan, Italy. In Italy, US actually resurrected the Mafia in order to ensure the plan would be carried out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html

There never was a right wing religious majority without the Vatican.

Meanwhile, the CIA has always been interested in the Vatican and vice versa. Elites used the Vatican "rat holes" at the least to bring out the gold and the former Nazis to ensure the rise of the Fourth Reich here. Presumably Elites also got help in moving funds to Hitler/Nazis originally.

But CIA interests were also high because of the intelligence network of the Vatican - immense communication.