garou --

Did you take a look at Walter Veith/YouTube? Vatican creation of Islam?

That's basis #1.

There were periods of more liberal leadership of the RCC at times... -- certainly true during Pope John XXIII's reign/Vatican II -- but quickly reversed.

True that Liberation Theology did exist for a too brief time -- overturned by the Polish/CIA Pope. Who also, btw, returned Opus Dei to power in the Church. Had been forced out by John XXIII/Vatican II.

Elite Catholics aren't believers in religion -- only consider it useful -- money/power is highest interest. Protestantism was at that time also primarily male-dominated religion.

Goes something like this ... "Commonfolk think religion is true. Wiser folk know it is false. Elites think it is useful."

As for the Evangelicals ... Benedict was talking about moving the church in direction of Evangelicalism. Happily he's gone. But who knows who is really running the Church -- Benedict or Frances ... or ...???

The other night I punched the wrong numbers into my remote and Jimmy Swaggart popped - still preachin' to an audience -- which suggests to me that not only is the whole thing about $$$, it's supported by members who are either fools or perverts, as well.

Nor have I ever really believed the "boogey man" of right wing Fundi religion. It's a cover for racism, sexism, homophobia and seeks to control our societies just as RCC does.

What's your impression of Evangelicals/Fundi's?

From what internet friends in the South have told me over the years, their societies are usually very controlled right wing ... but also has a LOT to do with MIC in those areas.

But, Protestants obviously didn't protect those Latin American countries from exploitation by Elites, either.

Once you're talking Vatican and/or CIA you're also talking propaganda ...

You can also see here the reality of fascism in Spain had a great deal to do with Spain becoming a democracy and the "unhappiness" of the RCC re Separation of Church & State ....

**George Seldes

The Vatican Propaganda Machine: The Spanish “Civil War” Lesson**

From George Seldes, the “dean and granddaddy of investigative reporters,” when it comes to issues important to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, “… there is no free press in America.” Seldes’s extensive study of the Spanish Civil War and the related control of the American press by the Catholic hierarchy is exceedingly instructive for all who are concerned about this freedom.

In 1931, Spain became the Republic of Spain, a liberal democracy that separated church and state, ended State monetary support for the church and adopted the principles of Freedom of Conscience, Freedom of Religion, and Freedom of the Press. The Vatican feared for the Church’s very survival in Spain. There had been four insurrections since 1835, and it was the Spanish people, the poor workers and poor peasants, who burned the churches because they blamed the hierarchy for having persistently backed the upper class. The latest uprising against the Catholic Church took place throughout the country in July, 1936. One historian described it as “the work of masses of common people, a spontaneous uprising.” The Vatican feared that the liberal democracy with its freedoms would spell the end of the Church in Spain. http://churchandstate.org.uk/2012/10/the-vatican-propaganda-machine-the-spanish-civil-war-lesson/

ADDITIONALLY ....

American Civil War -- Assassination of Lincoln

The Vatican HATED the U.S. before the fall of the Papal States!!

Before the fall of the Papal States in 1870, the Vatican HATED the United States and its Constitution. The U.S. was a haven for many of the refugees who fled Europe after the Revolution of 1848. Garibaldi and Gazazzi were welcomed as HEROES by the Protestant U.S. Many in the U.S. supported the liberation of Italy and contributed to its success with soldiers and money.

The Vatican NEVER forgave the U.S. for that support to the liberators.

Thank God we didn't have the 20th Amendment when Lincoln won the election. He needed a lot of time to select patriotic and qualified men to help him save the Union. If the 25th Amendment was in force then there would be no United States today!!

Was also watching Aubrey Dulles -- nephew of Allen Dulles -- and his rise in the Vatican ... thought for sure he'd be next Pope, but evidently he died at the Vatican.

It was also confirmed to me by another poster -- not here -- that CIA funded the Vatican -- which would have been connected to Operation Gladio .... the CIA Operation to keep right wing governments in place in countries over which the US had control and influence after WWII ... Japan, Germany, Italy, and France -- but I'd include likely also Greece and UK ...

Didn't know that CIA were moving funds to Vatican to keep communists out in Italy.

This would have been in relationship to Operation Gladio.

In order to actually understand the length, depth, width of conspiracy ... you have to understand these related CIA operations which were being put in play two years before the end of WWII by extend OSS (instituted by Council on Foreign Relations) to CIA .. .but continual operations.

See: Operation Mockingbird — scroll down to “History” — which was being written two years before the end of WWII.

See: Operation Paperclip — Wiki’s figures are low — at the minimum 64,000+ which included families but more likely 200,000 according to Kay Griggs/YouTube.

See: Operation Gladio — US program to keep right wing governments in place in the countries over which they had control after WWII — Germany, Japan, Italy. In Italy, US actually resurrected the Mafia in order to ensure the plan would be carried out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

http://www.reformation.org/lincoln.html

There never was a right wing religious majority without the Vatican.

Meanwhile, the CIA has always been interested in the Vatican and vice versa. Elites used the Vatican "rat holes" at the least to bring out the gold and the former Nazis to ensure the rise of the Fourth Reich here. Presumably Elites also got help in moving funds to Hitler/Nazis originally.

But CIA interests were also high because of the intelligence network of the Vatican - immense communication.

Well, at one point Benedict was moving the RCC towards Evangelism ... But understand that the large myth balloon that flew over GOP administrations of an all-potent Evangelical base has just about released all it's air.

Got the wrong numbers punched into my remote recently and noticed that Jimmy Swaggart/Pervert is still preaching ... so what can be said of these money-collectors other than their followers are either insane or also perverts.

As for your link ... what was Allen Dulles' nephew doing in Rome as a ... forget what higher level he reached before he died there. Think his name was Aubrey Dulles? Thought he might make Pope one day.

CIA has always been interested in the RCC and vice versa -- huge network for intelligence gathering that has existed over 2,000 years, plus the taking over of other nation's histories all of which presumably landed in their libraries/files. Add to that the info they collected from the Crusades and Inquisition as a result of torture and mind manipulation and you know the CIA was very interested. Like Vatican shared this knowledge with Hitler/Nazis for their Mind Control experiments ... and ultimately landed in CIA as "MKULTRA." Pope Pius XII catapulted Hitler to power for benefit of Elites.

and this is true ...

Catholic clergy become over the worsening conditions of the poor in Latin America that many of them were beginning to embrace a new and revolutionary theology known as Liberation Theology,<

EXCEPT that "Liberation Theology" lasted only a brief time in the RCC ... as the church exists to underpin Elite Patriarchy ... and it was the Polish/CIA Pope who ended Liberation Theology.

(See also uprisings in Spain in regard to RCC supporting Elites there and RCC opposition to Spain becoming a democracy and their Separation of Church & State -- which resulted in FRANCO and fascism there based in Catholicism. In fact, that Catholic influence here prevented FDR from intervening in Spain -- concerned about the Catholic vote in US based on the propaganda they were fed about what was happening in Spain.

Also note here ....

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