After a lifetime of being an outsider, Marilyn Manson, born Brian Warner, is coming to terms with his past. In a frank and soul-searching interview, he talks to Carole Cadwalladr about the loss of his mother, growing up angry – and why he’s ready for fatherhood
It turns out Manson’s lyrics about killing, about killing strangers, are true in a literal way that even he hadn’t quite realised. His father did kill strangers. And Manson, and his mother, lived with the aftermath.
“I think that he was very, very good at what he did. In the same way as the character that Martin Sheen plays in Apocalypse Now. I think my father was selected to do a job. He entered the air force at 17 and you just don’t know what your life is going to be at that age. He never talked to me about it. He still hasn’t really spoken of it. I think it was after my mother’s passing that he felt it was a time where it was necessary to tell me: ‘This is who I really am.’ And I think he was selected for being good at what he did – and that was killing people.”
When you realise that he spent the first 18 years of his life in a household dominated by the after-effects of violence, Marilyn Manson and his music, his obsessions, his sense of alienation, his fascination with killing, his insistence on living outside the strictures of mainstream American society, suddenly makes much more sense. And if it’s a light-bulb moment for me understanding who he is and where’s he come from, it also seems to have been for him.
His father had told him not to write. And he went to journalism college anyway. “The first article I ever did,” he recalls, “was about Marilyn Manson, which I wrote as myself as Brian Warner, and that was in part why I had to have a pseudonym, a stage name. I was put in a situation where I was suddenly stuck with… where I had created a Frankenstein’s monster. There was Marilyn Manson, but there was no music yet. I created a fake world maybe because I didn’t like the one I was living in. But that’s what made me make music. I had to fill in the gaps I’d created.”
It seems to me, that this particular interview does tie in to his cryptic interview from September 2017; I would say that the latter was part of a bigger decision by Brian, to make peace with his past an 'exorcise some demons', so to speak...
I have also listened to several songs on Heaven Upside Down and the lyrics seem to firmly bolster my theory that Brian was dropping hints in the 2017 interview, hence his seemingly-suspicious injuries of late.
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carmencita ago
I am getting really depleted. I took a break yesterday and had a lot of fun and thought it would give me a fresh start this morning. I have no intention to stop researching or speaking out, just that this stuff is really pulling at me lately. I get tired of jumping back and forth to one subverse to another and a lot of people don't come here, which is frustrating. What is posted here is so very important. Had to vent. Yes, it could quite be possible that MM was sending messages. Messages that could gt him killed.
argosciv ago
Oh, I think he's gonna be just fine ;) too many are aware of his situation now; to continue to make moves against him, would not be in the best interests of those who would dare to do so.
I feel ya... I mean shit... the stuff I found yesterday still has me feeling sick to my core. To make matters worse, I found more of the same going back to ~1300AD
carmencita ago
Holy God. How much more can we take. My brain and my heart have been overloaded. You must have seen the comment from @millennial_vulcan we are becoming aware of such heart breaking things they are doing now and in the past that it is breaking our hearts and our minds. I never would have thought I would be strong enough to take all this in. Never.
argosciv ago
Many hands make light work; you're not alone in carrying the proverbial weight of the world here :)
carmencita ago
I know. I just never thought I was strong enough. I am sure many other people don't know how they are handling this from day to day :)
argosciv ago
I for one, was desensitized to that kinda crap a long time ago... maybe not for the best of reasons at the time, but, it helps nowadays - being able to look at the worst aspects of humanity without being utterly shocked that any one human(or more) can reach such levels of depravity - it helps me to push forward and somehow cram 50+ tabs worth of info into my head for processing, when next I sleep.
carmencita ago
I know what you mean I see it happening to me too. But being able to read, over and over of these horrible acts, scares me that I will become TOO use to it. But after reading your post on pineal glands I now realize that I am putting myself into a certain mode. One that makes me process this in order to get through what I have to. From one day to the next.
argosciv ago
Nah, there's a HUGE difference between having something normalized against your will and researching something yourself for the sake of understanding.
If you feel apathy taking hold, have a break and spend some time around the things that make life tolerable for you - they'll remind you of why you look at the darkness, why you put yourself in that position to learn about what goes bump in the night, so to speak.
Just to clarify, that was someone else's thread which was deleted from v/pizzagate, not sure if @Jem777 was the author of that one, but they were the author of the v/pizzagatewhatever thread which linked to it. I was just throwing my 2c in to Jem777's thread, as I got the feeling that many people REALLY wanted a push in the right direction RE: DMT motive
carmencita ago
Thank you for giving credit where credit is due. That is you all over. I am going out to water my Flowers and clean the Bird Bath for the Birdies. Time to smell the Roses. Then back to Business. Thanks for reminding me.
argosciv ago
Haha, well, I certainly don't want the words of others, attributed to me... get enough of that with that one silly bugger who accidentally helped remind me of who I am and what I'm capable of, but, has now convinced themselves that I have multiple accounts here... bit of a laugh on it's own, but, would rather keep that kinda thing to a minimum xD
Blacksmith21 ago
There are a lot of similar traits I see developing here. It ties in to my open theory - our sub isn't getting larger. It's been stuck at roughly the same number of participating members for quite some time now. There is definitely some commonality I've seen between the little bit of personal info posted here by other Goats on /v/pizzagate