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bdmthrfkr ago

He sounds like @greycloud.

greycloud ago

just like you sound like a faggot. i don't like boys.

edit: also i am celibate. every few years i go out and get a hooker that is over 21 years old.

bdmthrfkr ago

But you always say the same thing as Clarke. It's ok if XXX or XXX because I'm really not causing any harm.

Your mere existence is harmful to children, even if you are not acting out on your fantasies. Every single young girl who is ever in your presence picks up on your vibe and her childhood view of the world is diminished. Instead of living in a secure world that she can learn and grow and thrive in she is now living in a world that monsters exist in.

Tell me that this is not true, even though you claim to never diddle can you also say, with a clear conscience, that you have never scared a child... with your mere presence.

Be honest.

Edit: Celibate means never having sex, now I question all of your other claims.

greycloud ago

you know, most young girls really like me. did you know there is more to love than sex? i tip pretty waitresses extra, and i don't try to get down there pants. i am nice to young pretty girls, and i don't try to get down there pants. did you ever consider the possibility that the way that you love pretty women is similar to how i love pretty girls? imagine a pretty woman that was a person who interested in you but that you also knew that she had some type of vagina problem where she could not enjoy sex, or maybe that she was both pretty and asexual. would you be mean to her? i wouldn't, i would still be nice to her. would you only consider her for what she could do for you instead of caring about how comfortable and happy she was for herself? i wouldn't. maybe i am just a better person than you are. but i highly suspect that you have made some monstrous figment in your mind of me, that is some type of heartless monster.

i care about the happiness of those young pretty girls. i care about their happiness more than i care about my sexual lust (which can be satisfied with a 20 dollar piece of latex and some cartoon porn). maybe you are some psychopath that is projecting on me, but i doubt that. i believe that you think me to be a psychopath simply because i am attracted to people who you are not. you are being short sighted, or at least dishonest with yourself in order to maintain your biases. i am no podesta. there has not been a single time in my life that i was ever tempted to kidnap someone. there has never been a time in my life where i thought it would be ok to rape some kid and kill them or was even in the slightest tempted to do so.

Factfinder2 ago

What would you do if you interpreted an underage girl's actions as a request and permission to get physical with her? That's the true test. Children are not capable of giving permission, not matter what they say or do.

So what would you do if tempted in such a way, @greycloud?

greycloud ago

that has happened, i turn them down. within the context of western culture there is long term harm that they are not aware of. since they are not aware of nor can be aware of the harm (which i would say is primarily caused by a false narrative and the useful idiot's reaction to that narrative) than there is no informed consent. i am not sure what i would do in islamic culture however with the same consent as well as parental permission. i think in the latter case it would meet my criteria of not being harmful.

Factfinder2 ago

You believe it's western culture that creates the concept of harm and you think Islam is free from such puritan thinking.

According to the laws of Islam, you'd have to marry her before having sex if you were truly acting in her best interest.

Al-Islam.org says sex before marriage is an "immoral way" and that "Premarital sex is absolutely forbidden in Islam, no matter whether it is with a girl-friend or a prostitute. Premarital sex is fornication (zina)."

Here's a discussion about it at Islam.com Note this part: "A relationship between a man and a woman outside of marriage, which is what is called an unlawful relationship, is haraam, regardless of the level of this relationship and whether it goes as far as an intimate relationship or zina (sexual relationship), which is the most reprehensible and abhorrent type of sins and one of the gravest of major sins that poses the greatest danger to the individual’s religious commitment and faith, or it is less than that, such as looking, touching or kissing. All of that is haraam and these are types of zina in the general sense, and are things that lead to the greater immoral action."

Given your avowed care for the welfare of the child, I imagine you wouldn't want her to be shunned and held in contempt by her community, so you'd choose marriage--provided she gave full consent, of course, not like the girl in this and many other videos of child brides in Islamic countries: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a83_1499195270

greycloud ago

yes you are right. i would not have sex before marriage with an islamic girl. you forgot some other hold ups. i would have to convert to islam myself, it is forbidden for their women and girls to marry non-muslims. i would have to have her parents' permission to marry her. she would have to want to marry me. other conditions would have to be in such a fashion where marrying her was what i legitimately thought was best for her long term interests (and that would include the fact that i would die much earlier than she would).

yes i do think it is the narrative of harm in the first place that causes the majority of the harm within western culture. susan clancy wrote a book called "the trauma myth" which you may or may not wish to read that details the harm caused by people misunderstanding people who have been sexually abused. the myth itself causes harm because it changes how people act and react to people who have been sexually abused.

if you understand methodology than you should seriously consider the flawed methodology in most western studies of childhood sexual experiences. they lump together those who desired the sexual contact and those who did not. it would be like saying that consensual sex is the same as violent rape in adults. this is the very first thing i look for in any study on child sex abuse. it is very common for this drastic methodology flaw to be included in the study. such studies are obviously attempts to maintain the narrative and the lies.

Factfinder2 ago

If you wish to answer, I'd like to know whether you as a child had sexual experiences with an adult and, if so, who initiated the contact.

greycloud ago

as a teen i was molested by an adult. as a young child i had sexual contact with other young children. i did not consent to the molestation but i did consent to sexual contact with close in age peers. the adult initiated the contact when i was in my mid teens (the age i was then is the age of the girls i am most attracted too), the sexual things i did most often as a child willingly are still my favorite fetish (giving oral sex to girls). in all fairness i am not attracted to men, and it was a guy who sexually abused me.

Factfinder2 ago

Thank you for sharing. I'm sorry but not surprised to hear that you were molested.

Many children experiment with each other sexually, and the vast majority do not grow up to be pedophiles. Especially given the age of molestation correlating with the age you're attracted to, it's fair to wonder whether the molestation flipped some kind of switch for you. Before you were attracted to peers--now your mind is stuck in your mid-teens while your body matures naturally.

This is part of the reason we are fighting so hard to prevent what happened to you and is happening to countless others. If you were not a pedophile, your romantic life would likely be much more fulfilling and your life in general much easier.

greycloud ago

i agree that my life would be MUCH easier if my attraction were not so exclusive ("the wall" in women comes for me in their mid 20's). but as for the desired sexual contact i had as a child, i don't think that was harmful. the public narrative is that it is, but it was not. i had an older babysitter that i WANTED to do those things with, but she wasn't so keen on the idea. my first crush i can remember was a rock singer, and i would have loved to do those things with her as well (obviously never got the chance). the experience that you are talking about was the unwanted contact, and that to me was a very different experience than the wanted contact.

i am still opposed to people pushing themselves on others who do not want them (of any age, i don't limit this to age groups). i believe that young people are more susceptible to being coerced against their will. but i defend the idea that those who desire the contact are not harmed by the contact. rather later on in life they are harmed post-hoc by the narratives that are based on lies. the lies are perpetuated by elites who control the science and hijack the emotions of the public in order to weaponize caring people like you against the children who would have otherwise had a good experience.

imagine there was a public narrative that told you that your mother abused you when you were little when she gave you ice cream. that she is the reason you are fat. you would start blaming problems that you already have on that ice cream abuse. you would start seeing her as being an uncaring monster, and little things she did that hurt you would suddenly be attributed to her abusiveness. you would start seeing her as a monster, and that would effect your relationship with her in a way that harmed both you and her.

that is what i meant earlier about the narrative causing harm. i believe that the narrative is more harmful than the abuse. the narrative leaves no room for good encounters, it paints everything as bad. i have had good encounters. the narrative never mentions them or me. the forces that be shut people up and censor them when they talk about the things they enjoyed or liked. the public is not allowed to be informed about positive sexual experiences. such things would defy the narrative.