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srayzie ago

I'm surprised that there are so many supporters here that support Bernie Sanders, considering the fact that we are against the torture of children. This isn't about politics. This is about children. Bernie Sanders supports partial birth abortion.

How can anyone be ok with partial birth abortion? For those of you who do not know what that is, I am providing a description. This procedure is done when a fetus is 5 months along all the way up until 9 months along. A baby that would be viable outside of the womb is murdered. There is no other way to describe it.

I'm sure there will be a lot of people that disagree with me. I already know that Hillary was for the same thing. But, this discussion is about Bernie Sanders. I could never support somebody that is ok with this procedure. If a baby is viable outside of the womb, then the woman's health doesn't even play a part because either way, the baby is delivered. A baby that is stabbed in the back of the neck and has their spinal cord cut sounds like pure torture to me. Especially as the baby gets closer to maturity.

Description of Partial Birth Abortion

Involves administration of medications to cause the cervix to dilate.

Next, the physician rotates the fetus to a footling breech position. The body of the fetus is then drawn out of the uterus feet first, until only the head remains inside the uterus.

The physician then uses an instrument to puncture the base of the skull, which collapses the fetalhead.

Typically, the contents of the fetal head are then partially suctioned out, which results in the death of the fetus and reduces the size of the fetal head enough to allow it to pass through the cervix.

The dead but otherwise intact fetus is then removed from the woman's body.

Bernie Sanders on Abortion

  • Voted NO on restricting UN funding for population control policies. (Mar 2009)
  • Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
  • Voted NO on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
  • Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
  • Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
  • Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
  • Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
  • Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
  • Voted YES on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
  • Voted NO on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
  • Voted NO on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
  • Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
  • Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
  • Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
  • Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
  • Emergency contraception for rape victims at all hospitals. (Sep 2006)
  • Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)

Abortion in all nine months of pregnancy

Bernie Sanders has a 100% pro-abortion voting record, and doesn’t support ANY restrictions on abortion. In his own words, he thinks we need to expand abortion access:

"We are not going back to the days when women had to risk their lives to end an unwanted pregnancy. The decision about abortion must remain a decision for the woman and her doctor to make, not the government."

Supporting and expanding Planned Parenthood

Sanders leaves no question on his view of Planned Parenthood. On his own campaign website he says:

"We are not going to allow the extreme right-wing to defund Planned Parenthood, we are going to expand it."

Letting babies suffer during and after abortion

Both candidates voted against the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, which means they support the right to kill a baby who has emerged almost completely from the birth canal. National Right to Life notes:

The bill banned a gruesome abortion procedure, used in the fifth month and later, in which an abortionist delivers a living baby, except for her head, then punctures the base of the skull and suctions out her brain, after which the now-dead baby is removed from her mother.

Both candidates voted against the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which states:

Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.

With their votes, both candidates show that, they don’t believe a preborn child is worth protecting in the womb.

https://archive.is/vignd

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Bernie_Sanders.htm

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/partial+birth+abortion

RweSure ago

There's no medical procedure named partial birth abortion.

Tallest_Skil ago

Shill for murderous kikes harder, please.

srayzie ago

Is late term abortion better for you? If not, then how about we just call it murder. Because that's what it is.

Votescam ago

sray --

I'm surprised that there is still anyone supporting the GOP and their lies, but here you are. We have two parties not only war-mongering all over the world but killing living mothers, fathers and children.

Everyone and everything on this planet is threatened by the US terrorist nation and the Congress' support for these endless and illegal wars of aggression.

"Partial Birth Abortion" is a piece of right wing propaganda to hide the reality of LATE TERM ABORTION... which saves the lives of many women who late in their WANTED pregnancies find that they will not survive if the pregnancy continues and/or that the child will not be capable of life and is effecting their health and well-being. ALSO, that if the pregnancy is not terminated by abortion that they will lose their ability to have children in the future.

These abortions are rare-- about one in every county in the US every year.

It is only the compassionless and inhumane who will push for the loss of life of the Mother and/or her future fertility.

And further you have no problem in trying to punish millions and millions of women dependent on Planned Parenthood for gynecological services and birth control, breast exams and other tests.

It is millions of pregnant women, themselves, who make the individual decision about whether or not to have an abortion. And most of those decisions are made when the pregnancy is still in the embryo stage - the first weeks of pregnancy.

This is a liberal nation which supports reproductive freedom, including abortion by simple majority. And supports PPH and the work they do and the funding of those services by our government.

Come back when your life is threatened by a pregnancy and you have other children, a husband and family to care for

srayzie ago

I figured there would be people that disagreed with me. But, no joke, I KNEW YOU WOULD. In case you don't remember me, we have gone over our views on women's rights several times. Our conversation lasted for like a week. You would come back and forth that week and our conversation went on and on.

You have some of the craziest views I've ever heard of. In MANY ways. You went on and on about how gay men are much less likely than heterosexual men to molest children. You spoke so highly of gay men but so low about heterosexual men. Then you started on the is God real debate.

I told you then and I'm telling you now, that I would NEVER kill my baby. Yes, partial birth abortion and late term abortion are basically the same. If a woman's life is in danger and she's delivering a baby that could be viable and saved outside of the womb, then the excuse of murdering your child to save her life does not apply.

There is a great solution for women who are not able to care for a child. It's called adoption. There are many great couples who would love a child and are unable to have one of their own. Despite all the sick stories of rape and torture of children here, the majority of people who adopt a child are great people.

An innocent baby did not ask to be conceived. Regardless of circumstances, that little human being has a right to live. ESPECIALLY when it's in the 3rd trimester and is viable. They can feel pain! That is torture. That is what we are here for. For these children that are abused and tortured. If a baby is at the age where it could make it outside of the womb, it doesn't matter if it hasn't yet came all the way out of the woman's body or not. It is murder. A cruel painful murder.

Would you like to be stabbed in the back of your neck and have your spinal cord cut and your brains sucked out? I mean, that is inhumane! You're lucky that you were allowed to survive. Can you even imagine seeing this little human being just thrown out like trash? After everything we've learned here, then you should also know how much satanists would love to get ahold of the babies organs. It's just the most disgusting image I can think of.

Have you ever thought deeply about how amazing it is to create life? A life with a soul? What a little miracle. So innocent that they depend on us adults to take care of them. So trusting. That's how our life cycles go and it's beautiful. We take care of the young and the old. Or at least, we should. It's really sad when a baby doesn't have that chance.

I could go on and on. We've been thru this. You say we live in a liberal country. You are on the very extreme side. I am a conservative. My opinion on God and the right to life will not change. You and I will never agree. We've established this. We've agreed to disagree. I thank you for your reply and stating your opinion. But I'm not going back and forth with you again. I am going to agree to disagree, even if you do not.

Peace

Votescam ago

sray -

Yes, I remember your obsession with abortion and your reluctance to admit that you're in a fanatical minority on that issue. That even Catholics support abortion and that Catholic women have just as many abortions as any other women. That's a lot of opposition for your obsession.

I didn't "go on" about anything .... rather I gave you information from a STUDY which presents information which shows that it is MALES who sexually abuse children and that they are heterosexual males. And that the STUDY further shows that "Homosexuals are 100X LESS likely to sexually abuse a child."

Again, when you have a problem pregnancy which threatens your life, let us know about it. And I certainly wouldn't think better of any woman who abandoned her responsibilities to other living children and her family. I would suggest anyone thinking that way is more than misguided about their responsibilities to their families.

And yes, it's always been called "later term abortion" ....

Yes, partial birth abortion and late term abortion are basically the same.<

And the GOP fanatics at war with women have to invent new terms to fool the fanatics who follow them.

And this is the kind of obsession and fanaticism that helps others see it every time you restate it....l

If a woman's life is in danger and she's delivering a baby that could be viable and saved outside of the womb, then the excuse of murdering your child to save her life does not apply.<

Women having "later term abortions" do NOT "deliver a child vaginally because if they did, they would likely be maimed for life and, of course, they would not be able to have other children. And to delay the abortion only puts the female more at risk of loss of her own life.

Wait a minute ... isn't this a website clearly showing that what we have is a world of children suffering REFUGEE status because of US wars? And also clearly we have many examples of "adoptions" where the child is being sexually abused....

There is a great solution for women who are not able to care for a child. It's called adoption. There are many great couples who would love a child and are unable to have one of their own. Despite all the sick stories of rape and torture of children here, the majority of people who adopt a child are great people<

Adoption also requires child to be carried by the female to term - something which is impossible when the female's life is threatened by the pregnancy.

the majority of people who adopt a child are great people<

And I'm sure you know ALL of them.

And soon, there will likely be opportunities for people like you to take on these pregnancies and carry them to term...

An innocent baby did not ask to be conceived. Regardless of circumstances, that little human being has a right to live. ESPECIALLY when it's in the 3rd trimester and is viable. They can feel pain! That is torture. That is what we are here for. For these children that are abused and tortured. If a baby is at the age where it could make it outside of the womb, it doesn't matter if it hasn't yet came all the way out of the woman's body or not. It is murder. A cruel painful murder.>

So, AGAIN, I say, when you have the opportunity to PROVE anything like you're saying, then come back and tell us about it. Otherwise you're just blowing more hot air.

Let me put it to you this way... Who gives a fig what YOU believe or believe in. Only YOU.

And the majority of people on this planet -- where they have the freedom to do it -- support reproductive freedom, support female equality and supporting Choice. Even Catholics. And Latino Catholics.

That's the war that's on all over the world -- the war on women which is opposed by .. Male Supremacists.

srayzie ago

As I've told you so many times before, I am NOT Catholic. Let that sink in. I'm also not Latino. Yes, a late term abortion is usually delivered vaginally. You probably say women are maimed vaginally for life because that's what happened to you. Since abortion is totally acceptable to you, you've probably had many.

YOU are in the minority. If people were to go back and read your views on life, they'd trip out. You're WEIRD. You have this hate for males that is just insane. I like men to act like men. I'm not intimidated by men. A man and a woman fit well together. You are obsessed with men bashing. Unless of course he's gay or transgender. You blame men for everything. I am not a feminist.

I am an average American conservative. Pro life. I am not perfect, but believe in Christian values. That is not a fanatic minority. I can't imagine the weird lifestyle you live. I will never agree with a baby killing, man hating, atheist that worships gays like you do.

Guess what Miss Thing? Nobody gives a damn what you think either. Especially me.

Votescam ago

sray --

What does it matter that you're not Catholic or Latino?

What matters is that you are in a fanatical majority mainly shared in religious obsessions.

Late Term Abortions are vaginal AFTER other means are first used to terminate the pregnancy and permit vaginal delivery. Those means are used to prevent the fetus from doing any further harm to the female. To protect the body of the female and her life and her future fertility.

What I'm telling you about late term abortion is based in the well known medial procedures which you can read about at any time, including on the internet, if you have any curiosity about knowing the truth.

You continue also to try to make this personally about YOURSELF and now trying to make it about ME. This is about all women -- and in all history of women and childbirth -- there are times when abortion is required. For too long laws put in place by male-dominated societies have let women die or allowed those pregnancies to do harm to their lives. That's not, however, something you want to acknowledge.

Try reading just this 4th Chapter from an OP on this site in regard to Lydia Chacho work in Mexico fighting child sexual abuse, the Mafia and corrupted governments. You will see that those who rape children are MALE. https://trustyourperceptions.wordpress.com/2017/08/08/one-woman-cracks-the-pedo-elite-chapter-4/

And if you had ever bothered to read the STUDY which clearly shows that our sexual abusers of children are MALES you would have also noticed that even right wing women's groups acknowledge that reality.

Clearly you are NOT a feminist. You don't give a crap about women ... unless it's a embryo or fetus. Like the male-dominated Congress, you'd be just as willing to let women die by denying them abortions.

There's nothing average about being a right wing conservative. In fact, it's unusual in the US where the Evangelists are also disappearing. From what we've seen of "Christian" values they're not much different from Mafia values. Recall that it was Papal Edicts which advocated the "enslavement or killing" of non-Christians all over the world. Of natives they labelled "pagans" only fit to be fed to dogs. And the same Papal Edicts were used to support SLAVERY in the nation - a system that went on for more than 250 years plus another 100 years of Segregation.

Again -- your "beliefs" are exposed here in your own words.
Your obsession and fanaticism is exposed in regard to depriving women of reproductive freedom.

The majority of this nation -- which includes all Christians -- support Planned Parenthood, support the funding of Planned Parenthood by the government.
And that same majority also supports reproductive freedom for women and CHOICE.

You're here to try to push your obsessions about abortion, that's clear in all your posts.

You're by your own admittance not a feminist but a supporter of right wing political positions-- and "Christian" which doesn't at all suggest you're on the correct side of protecting children from sexual abuse by males -- especially female children. Christian churches are very much involved in the sexual abuse of children - something else you seem to want to ignore.

Any time you try to push your right wing positions on abortion here, I will reply.

srayzie ago

Late Term Abortions are vaginal AFTER other means are first used to terminate the pregnancy and permit vaginal delivery. Those means are used to prevent the fetus from doing any further harm to the female. To protect the body of the female and her left and her future fertility.

Awww isn't that nice? So they try to kill the baby in other ways first, so they can prevent harming the mother. The mothers comfort should always come before the painful torturous death of a baby. Right?

What matters to me is that you keep calling me Catholic. I'm not. That's why it matters. This isn't about ME. You keep talking about women's rights. Babies are humans too. They should have rights. Stop putting me in your little groups. I don't care what most right wing women groups believe.

No, I'm not going to go read about how males are the worse creatures on earth. Males are more likely than females to molest. But, your view is that gay men are less likely than straight men. Did you go to the woman's March in a vagina costume? You are a full fledged feminist. There are many wonderful men out there that are not child molestors

It's not that I don't give a crap about women. It's that I think all life is precious. A baby has the right to live just like the woman does. You keep acting like abortions are usually performed because of some life threatening situation. NOT.

So am I not protecting children if I allow children around my husband? I'm really curious because you trip me out. What do you think about a little girl having a bond with her daddy? Do you think all straight men are pervs? If so, I feel sorry for you. Something must have happened to you.

You think the majority of Christians support Planned parenthood? Are you kidding? Not abortion girlfriend. Go do your homework. I'm not going to get into your pathetic argument about how Christians are like the mafia blah blah blah. Whatever 🙄 This isn't a religious discussion. Nothing you have ever said seems normal. You've really got some screws loose.

Anytime you push your extreme left view on baby murder, I will respond. I've always thought to myself, what kind of doctor could perform abortions? The thought just makes my heart hurt. It's people that think like YOU. It's sick!

Votescam ago

sray --

Awww isn't that nice? So they try to kill the baby in other ways first, so they can prevent harming the mother. The mothers comfort should always come before the painful torturous death of a baby. Right?

Obviously, you'd prefer to see the Mother die ... right?

YOU are a right wing woman ... why wouldn't you care that even organized right wing women's groups stand against your beliefs. They CONFIRM that MALES are our sexual abusers of children. Something you can't stand to admit.

Of course I'm a feminist and for female equality ... why wouldn't I be?

And, again, the information I gave you that "Homosexual males are 100% LESS likely to sexually abuse a child" is from a published STUDY of heterosexual males. NOT something I created.

And Thank You for continuing to make ever clearer that what you care about is an embryo or fetus not LIVING human beings ... which is very typical of the right wing.

Millions of LIVING men, women and children can be killed every year, but it doesn't matter to you ... as long as no one has an abortion!

Now you'd like to make this personally about your husband . . . Really?

You think the majority of Christians support Planned parenthood? Are you kidding? Not abortion girlfriend. Go do your homework.>

The majority of Americans support planned parenthood -- and the fact that you live in such denial is being wonderfully made clear by YOU over and over again -- https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Americans+support+Planned+Parenthood+and+government+funding&fr=ush-mailn&fr2=p%3Aml%2Cm%3Asb

"By TWO to ONE Americans support Planned Parenthood and funding for it --"

"75% of Americans Support Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood"

"Americans -- even Republicans -- support Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood"

'MORE Americans support Roe Vs Wade than ever before ....'

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrBT77TULBZl6UAKytXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3VzaC1tYWlsbgRncHJpZANmYUtxMlc5NlM0T1JDMDF1V2k1U0pBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMwBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDMARxc3RybAM0MARxdWVyeQNBbWVyaWNhbnMlMjBzdXBwb3J0JTIwUm9lJTIwdnMlMjBXYWRlJTIwBHRfc3RtcAMxNTA0NzI3Mjcz?p=Americans+support+Roe+vs+Wade+&fr2=sb-top&fr=ush-mailn

Here's some more "homework" ...

Seven in 10 Americans believe Roe v. Wade should stand, according to new data from a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, as the Supreme Court abortion-rights ruling ...

I'm proud to be a liberal along with the entire nation which liberal and supports liberal ideals.

The right wing as we see throughout history can only rise on VIOLENCE ... against Women, Homosexuals, Jews, Native Americans, Africans. And, of course, against all of Nature.
That history of the right wing destroyers cannot be denied.

Bye --

srayzie ago

I'm not part of a "group". I have my own beliefs and I definitely wouldn't believe online polls. The poll results leading up to the election should have taught you that they are rigged. I'm very proud to NOT be a liberal and to NOT be a feminist.

Are you going to answer my question? What do you think about a little girl having a strong bond with her daddy? Would that be suspicious to you? Or do you think that it means the dad is probably a perv? You seem to not like males at all. So I'm very curious. Would it be strange to you for a dad to change his babies diaper? Just answer the question instead of changing the topic.

Votescam ago

sray --

Sorry, but I don't deal in nonsensical game playing --

This is about male violence and their sexual abuse of children --

And male-dominance of our government and society and oppression of women.

If you're here to discuss sexual abuse of children by males, fine ...

Otherwise take your anti-abortion propaganda somewhere else.

srayzie ago

You can't answer because you know you'd sound even more crazy.

We're also here because children are being tortured and murdered. A baby being murdered in the last trimester, by being stabbed in the back of the neck and having it's spinal cord cut sounds like torture to me!

How about this.... If you are here to just bash all things male, maybe YOU should take it somewhere else. Leave me alone now. We have nothing else to talk about.

Votescam ago

sray --

It is typical of the right wing that they see no difference between a two week pregnancy and a living child.

They also have no compassion or concern when the life of a Mother is threatened by a pregnancy --

if she dies, it's of no importance to them -- despite the fact that she might have other living children to care for.

One of the reasons I'm here is to make sure that families know who our sexual abusers of children are. And they are MALES.

And Lydia Cacho confirms that for you.

How many posts now have you made to show your obsession with abortion?

srayzie ago

A late term abortion where a baby could be able to live outside its mothers womb, IS A LIVING CHILD!

How many posts have you made showing how much you hate men?

Votescam ago

sray -

Do you now profess to be a doctor?

You're simply repeating right wing propaganda.
RATHER, listen to what women who have gone through these experiences have said in their testimony to Congress. These are women with WANTED pregnancies which turned out to be life-threatening.

But again, you make the choice to kill the mother ... really interesting look into just who you are.

I make no posts about hating men --

I write posts exposing the reality that STUDIES show that MALES are our sexual abusers of children

Evidently, you don't like that exposure ... though it may help parents save their children from sexual abuse.

srayzie ago

Are you done now? 😴

Votescam ago

Only if you are -- or any other anti-abortion fanatics here ....

Have a good day -- :)

srayzie ago

You too 🙂

huhWHAThuh ago

Are you aware of the thousands of medical doctors on record saying that abortion is never under any circumstances required or even helpful in saving a woman's life? This includes many former abortionists who could not continue to perform what they know without doubt is murder of the most innocent among us. i will provide you a link for reference, but a simple search will render millions of results saying the same thing. https://www.texasrighttolife.com/former-abortionist-abortion-is-never-necessary-to-save-a-womans-life/ edit And by the way i am not a Republican.

Votescam ago

huh --

Thousand of doctors ... ? Out of millions and millions?

If these shows of obsession and fanaticism weren't so ridiculous, they'd be laughable.

Any doctor who has left the service of women in performing abortions has likely left because of the murder of doctors doing abortions by religious fanatics

If you need a link to those MURDERS OF DOCTORS ... by crazed anti-abortion fanatics, let me know ...

but I think you probably remember them because you probably celebrated them.

Bye --

huhWHAThuh ago

No. Unlike to you, i do not support or celebrate any murders.

Votescam ago

Randall Terry would tell supporters ... "If you think abortion is murder, act like it."

And vulnerable religious fanatics began bombing clinics and murdering doctors.

Of course, Randall Terry isn't in jail for what he did, but the fanatics are.

Only pro-life fanatics support and celebrate the murder of doctors.

quantokitty ago

Hey, thanks for the info.

Upvoat for you.

srayzie ago

I was just about to comment. Again!

I appreciate the fact that you can have a discussion and even disagree without going ballistic. Unlike A LOT of people. I wish more people would be ok to agree to disagree if they have different beliefs. You challenged people's comments constructively. 🤓

quantokitty ago

Thanks. I'm on my meds today. Makes it much easier!

Actually, the only time I go ballistic is if I think they're shill posts. I'm so sick of shills, but if someone has an honest difference of opinion, that does not bother me. Just NO SHILLS!!!!

srayzie ago

🤣 At least your honest lol

I have a couple here that I like to go balistic on. I'm sure you know lol

quantokitty ago

Yeah, well, shills gotta shill. As for this exchange, don't know why it's showing up as the ONLY comment in the post.

Weird mojo around here at times.

srayzie ago

True lol