Sad to see Carl Jung's name tainted in this article here because of his early association with Freud. They were two very different psychoanalysts. Jung split from Freud because of Freud's obsession with sex and insistence with filtering all human experience through that lens. He developed a more spiritual approach to psychology as well as the concepts of the collective unconscious distinguishing it from the personal unconscious of Freudian psychoanalysis. He argued that the collective unconscious had profound influence on the lives of individuals, who lived out its symbols and clothed them in meaning through their experiences.. There is a vast chasm between Freudian and Jungian psychotherapists and psychoanalysts which lasts to this day.
Jung's close collaboration with Freud lasted until 1913. Jung had become increasingly critical of Freud's exclusively sexual definition of libido and incest. The publication of Jung's Wandlungen und Symbole der Libido (known in English as The Psychology of the Unconscious) led to a final break.
From Wikipedia :
Critics of the collective unconscious concept
They mean Freudians
have called it unscientific and fatalistic, or otherwise very difficult to test scientifically (due to the mythical aspect of the collective unconscious) for those faith-based scientists.[2] Proponents suggest that it is borne out by findings of psychology, neuroscience, and anthropology.
Meaning: can no longer hide the fact that neuroscience and other scientific disciplines are corroborating Jung's theories.
The world of psychology is still largely dominated by Freudian disciples. Please don't get the two men and their work confused. It would be a huge disservice to Jung.
This pisses me off. Just about every fan of the videogame series "Persona" are gonna be pissed about this tainting of Jung's name, for Jungian Psychology is the center piece of the entire series.
I'm not into videogames myself so I just had a quick look and I'm quite impressed with the deep use of Jungian psychology. Do you think something like that could be used to mess with people's heads and 're-program them', so to speak?
Depends on context and how its used. Many things can be used for both good and evil, except the things that are inherently evil.
A "shadow" self isn't nessecarily evil as it represents what exists in a person's subconsious. The road to self improvement requires a person to understand and accept their shadow. Or at least that's how it works for a decent person. In an evil person, a shadow is what they subconsciously hide not from themselves, but what they actively hide from others to keep appearances.
Persona is thoroughly about the POSITIVE side of Jungian Psychology in its "Social Link" quests, namely the part about self improvement, facing the deeper truths of yourself and the world.
Persona 5 is actually a big time "Red Pill Game" for those who understand its deeper truths.
The final arc is a massive allegory for the Deep State and its dirty tactics. Due to his MO, the main villain is an allegory to Hillary Clinton. One of the game's party members is an allegory for 4chan possibly /pol due to her weaponized autism (she is believed to have Aspergers).
As someone steeped in Jungian psychology I certainly don't see a 'shadow self' as evil. Video games can be used for good or bad or neither. As I have not played Persona I just wondered what you thought of it. Thanks for the feedback and introducing me to it.
The Persona series (3 and beyond) are widely considered gaming masterpieces, and thus have my highest recommendation.
Persona 5 (the red pill game) is already being considered one of the greatest RPGs of all time despite only being about 4.5 months old (US, 11 months old in Japan). Easily the best game in the series.
One of 5's party members requires a basic understanding of Jungian psychology to understand half of what he's talking about.
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cantsleepawink ago
Sad to see Carl Jung's name tainted in this article here because of his early association with Freud. They were two very different psychoanalysts. Jung split from Freud because of Freud's obsession with sex and insistence with filtering all human experience through that lens. He developed a more spiritual approach to psychology as well as the concepts of the collective unconscious distinguishing it from the personal unconscious of Freudian psychoanalysis. He argued that the collective unconscious had profound influence on the lives of individuals, who lived out its symbols and clothed them in meaning through their experiences.. There is a vast chasm between Freudian and Jungian psychotherapists and psychoanalysts which lasts to this day.
Here is a link with a very simple summary about the two men https://www.simplypsychology.org/psychodynamic.html
From Wikipedia :
They mean Freudians
Meaning: can no longer hide the fact that neuroscience and other scientific disciplines are corroborating Jung's theories.
The world of psychology is still largely dominated by Freudian disciples. Please don't get the two men and their work confused. It would be a huge disservice to Jung.
darkknight111 ago
This pisses me off. Just about every fan of the videogame series "Persona" are gonna be pissed about this tainting of Jung's name, for Jungian Psychology is the center piece of the entire series.
9217 ago
Pointing out the truth factually is not tainting his name. If he did shameful things, he tainted it all by himself.
darkknight111 ago
Question is "Did he do something, or were his ideas co-opted"? That I don't know.
Jungian Psychology has potential to be used both for great good or for great evil.
I hope that the truth is that he was "Co-opted" rather than actively corrupt.
9217 ago
If you think my research is only about Jung, you've missed the entire point.
darkknight111 ago
I'm just saying my personal feelings. My reasons for being upset.
The other stuff in there is actually quite interesting and worth further inquiry.
Happy hunting.
cantsleepawink ago
I'm not into videogames myself so I just had a quick look and I'm quite impressed with the deep use of Jungian psychology. Do you think something like that could be used to mess with people's heads and 're-program them', so to speak?
darkknight111 ago
Depends on context and how its used. Many things can be used for both good and evil, except the things that are inherently evil.
A "shadow" self isn't nessecarily evil as it represents what exists in a person's subconsious. The road to self improvement requires a person to understand and accept their shadow. Or at least that's how it works for a decent person. In an evil person, a shadow is what they subconsciously hide not from themselves, but what they actively hide from others to keep appearances.
Persona is thoroughly about the POSITIVE side of Jungian Psychology in its "Social Link" quests, namely the part about self improvement, facing the deeper truths of yourself and the world.
Persona 5 is actually a big time "Red Pill Game" for those who understand its deeper truths.
The final arc is a massive allegory for the Deep State and its dirty tactics. Due to his MO, the main villain is an allegory to Hillary Clinton. One of the game's party members is an allegory for 4chan possibly /pol due to her weaponized autism (she is believed to have Aspergers).
cantsleepawink ago
As someone steeped in Jungian psychology I certainly don't see a 'shadow self' as evil. Video games can be used for good or bad or neither. As I have not played Persona I just wondered what you thought of it. Thanks for the feedback and introducing me to it.
darkknight111 ago
The Persona series (3 and beyond) are widely considered gaming masterpieces, and thus have my highest recommendation.
Persona 5 (the red pill game) is already being considered one of the greatest RPGs of all time despite only being about 4.5 months old (US, 11 months old in Japan). Easily the best game in the series.
One of 5's party members requires a basic understanding of Jungian psychology to understand half of what he's talking about.
cantsleepawink ago
A videogame ? What? Lol. I'm going to check it out.