I agree that this is stomach turning and I will definitely not click any of those links.
Doesn't your profile say "If freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we will be led to slaughter"?
The problem with free speech is that people tend to say objectionable things. Things that are offensive to others. Being offended, even disgusted is the price we pay for that freedom.
I would argue freedom to what end? If we've decided to throw out the Bible as our standard (which we as a society most definitely have), it stands to reason there must be SOME standard in civilized (not anarchical) society. to that end I'd argue that the determining factor is what if any redeeming qualities that thing in question has and how its existence affects society as a whole. Having zero redeemable qualities but not harming anyone is one thing (struggling to come up with an example here bc when you drill it down most things affect people/society- it's just to what extent....how about.....biting fingernails???? Lame, I know). But having no redeeming value and harming society (and others) is quite another. Your freedom ends where mine begins. And this shit (I use that term purposefully) is of zero value to anyone. You know, there's a reason Jesus said that thinking things was just as sinful as committing the act (eg :lust -adultery, anger - murder), bc the sin starts in the heart and mind until it expresses itself in action. Watching this putrid shit is just toying with it in your mind. Not healthy. For anyone. The battle starts in the mind.
I mostly agree with everything you're saying. My fear lies in the slippery slope of who gets to determine where your freedom ends and mine begins; it's just so vulnerable to abuse.
Look what's happening in Europe right now. Complaining about being victimized and raped has been determined to encroach on the freedoms of the invaders.
I think we as a society should have the opportunity to call out and turn our backs on certain behaviors, but not to censor them.
Sharing these videos after the fact by persons who had nothing to do with the criminal activity portrayed in them is not criminal in and of itself and shouldn't be. If we censor a video because a child died in it then where do we draw the line? How long before we go after children falling down videos? The problem lies in the fact that I no longer trust the powers that make those decisions.
Sexualizing children is a whole different subject and should not be tolerated at any level-ever. But the videos in question aren't of a sexual nature. They're over the top violent and I think they should be called out, if only so people can avoid them. But censorship, especially in the free speech bastion that is Voat, should not be so easily called on.
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o0shad0o ago
When I saw this, I first thought it was a shitpost. Then I realized it wasn't talking about /r/PeopleFuckingDying .
srayzie ago
My gosh. People are disgusting!
QueenAlt ago
I agree that this is stomach turning and I will definitely not click any of those links.
Doesn't your profile say "If freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we will be led to slaughter"?
The problem with free speech is that people tend to say objectionable things. Things that are offensive to others. Being offended, even disgusted is the price we pay for that freedom.
Judgejewdy ago
I would argue freedom to what end? If we've decided to throw out the Bible as our standard (which we as a society most definitely have), it stands to reason there must be SOME standard in civilized (not anarchical) society. to that end I'd argue that the determining factor is what if any redeeming qualities that thing in question has and how its existence affects society as a whole. Having zero redeemable qualities but not harming anyone is one thing (struggling to come up with an example here bc when you drill it down most things affect people/society- it's just to what extent....how about.....biting fingernails???? Lame, I know). But having no redeeming value and harming society (and others) is quite another. Your freedom ends where mine begins. And this shit (I use that term purposefully) is of zero value to anyone. You know, there's a reason Jesus said that thinking things was just as sinful as committing the act (eg :lust -adultery, anger - murder), bc the sin starts in the heart and mind until it expresses itself in action. Watching this putrid shit is just toying with it in your mind. Not healthy. For anyone. The battle starts in the mind.
QueenAlt ago
I mostly agree with everything you're saying. My fear lies in the slippery slope of who gets to determine where your freedom ends and mine begins; it's just so vulnerable to abuse.
Look what's happening in Europe right now. Complaining about being victimized and raped has been determined to encroach on the freedoms of the invaders.
I think we as a society should have the opportunity to call out and turn our backs on certain behaviors, but not to censor them.
Sharing these videos after the fact by persons who had nothing to do with the criminal activity portrayed in them is not criminal in and of itself and shouldn't be. If we censor a video because a child died in it then where do we draw the line? How long before we go after children falling down videos? The problem lies in the fact that I no longer trust the powers that make those decisions.
Sexualizing children is a whole different subject and should not be tolerated at any level-ever. But the videos in question aren't of a sexual nature. They're over the top violent and I think they should be called out, if only so people can avoid them. But censorship, especially in the free speech bastion that is Voat, should not be so easily called on.