I'd also like to point out that today as of this comment, there are SEVEN STORIES 4 TO 5 MONTHS OLD coming up on the default front page as HOT - they can't even be commented on anymore! C'mon folks running Voat, you really think that looks reasonable?
5 month old stories are not HOT. Clearly manipulation is involved, or the coders at Voat are the worst coders in the forum world without even remedial skills. I don't think that is the case.
What the hell I am talking about was what the HOT page looked like at the time I commented and for an hour before and after Not my main point so if you don't believe me without a screenshot no problem.
Why do I care someone accusing voat of being compromised, insane shadowban conspiracies, bad mod etc? Because simple evidence can prove your claims but you have none. That calls into question your entire post.
HA RIGHT as to the rest of it I would say nice try but it's not really that good. anyone here for real information will look at the article I have well sourced and written vs. your two Voat defenses and decide for themselves. I make note of the phenomena I see on the HOT page for those here who know me and who I know so we can compare notes. That's it.
Would you chill out? This isn't my only account. You've posted good content before but if you cant take a simple criticism of one aspect... jeez.
Edit also anyone who has been around voat for awhile knows why they stopped allowing votes on old content. It was specifically to stop shills from making a ton of alts and downvoting one persons old submissions
Also calling the entire 20 page article into question because I note in a sentence or two some problems on the front page of voat is worthy of scorn, so if you are going to throw that nonsense around, expect pushback
Ok sorry for that.Bad assumption on my part. It was front you were talking about? I thought you meant "default" hot of /v/pizzagate not of the frontpage
Even sorting by that, oldest post on first 2 pages is 16hrs. So I still dont understand what you saw. Were you looking at "hot" including subverses you have subscribed to (and possibly unsubbed from default subverses?)
What I was looking at is a phenomenon that has been noted before by myself and others. First time I saw it was probably 2 months ago now. It happens intermitently but not infrequently.
I do not subscribe to anything but pizzagate. When I look at the default page when landing on pizzagate it is the HOT page.for this subverse. Since that first time (2 months might not be exact-I left a comment about it somewhere in pizzagate whatever because when I first saw it I tried to ping mods about it) what happens is that the normal procession of hot posts seems to be interrupted and suddenly very old posts will come up at the bottom of the hot section. Months old posts with even just a few upvoats and few comments - like 3 - will be on the HOT page somehow. Some of us have also noticed that our hot posts will fall off the frtont page of hot but not proceed to the second, 3rd, 4th etc page or even the 10th page etc but actually completely disappear. If you don't know about them and search for them by title you can't find them browsing through hot. They will have already fallen off new and may or may not be found in top.
All of these phenomena seem like anomalies because the front page never did that for the first many months of this subverse. This also first happened at a time when it seemed like archived stuff was disappearing from .is, the search bar wouldn't work, etc...
The speculation is that posts are shadowbanned, or old posts are being removed, thus changing the queuing pattern of the posts. this subverse has a notoriously hostile relationship with voat leadership and it is suspected the subverse is groomed. some of it may be glitches as well. however the glitch argument only works so much for so long - It is very hard for me to believe that the coders at voat are not skilled enough to be able to apply a search engine to the subverse, as one example.
Hope that clears up my position a little.
I spent a ridiclulous amount of time writing the post on The Keller Effect. So far I haven't wasted my precious and valuable time screenshoting the shenanigans at voat instead of researching and writing - I consider these things to be more like mosquito bites - inevitable here and little that can be done about them. This subverse wears like a slime overcoat, just never fits well or feels right.
Thank you. I can now use an alt account to unsub from every subverse but pizzagate and see if i can reproduce it, see if its a bug.
When you said default, I thought you meant clicking the thing in the top left to see things as if you didnt have an account (where you are subscribed to all the default subverses)
Ok, only speculating here, but I wonder if it has something to do with people who have upvoted or downvoted those posts deleting their account, this "refreshes" whatever math gets done to determine if something is "hot" (Upvote - downvote weighted against time of last vote change)
But yeah I'm finally seeing that. Screenshotted it. I'll ask about it.
well it was an inauspicious start but turned into something pretty positive. thx.
However the real concern is why a hot post will fall off the front page into oblivion, instead of just make it's way down the line onto the second page and so on.
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VieBleu ago
I'd also like to point out that today as of this comment, there are SEVEN STORIES 4 TO 5 MONTHS OLD coming up on the default front page as HOT - they can't even be commented on anymore! C'mon folks running Voat, you really think that looks reasonable?
5 month old stories are not HOT. Clearly manipulation is involved, or the coders at Voat are the worst coders in the forum world without even remedial skills. I don't think that is the case.
CeepsNo ago
Screenshot? Everything I see when sorting by "hot" even on default front page is recent.
What the hell are you talking about?
VieBleu ago
What the hell I am talking about was what the HOT page looked like at the time I commented and for an hour before and after Not my main point so if you don't believe me without a screenshot no problem.
CeepsNo ago
With public modlogs can you substantiate anything?
VieBleu ago
huh? why do you care? go read something longer than a comic strip.
CeepsNo ago
Why do I care someone accusing voat of being compromised, insane shadowban conspiracies, bad mod etc? Because simple evidence can prove your claims but you have none. That calls into question your entire post.
VieBleu ago
not blaming the mods.
HA RIGHT as to the rest of it I would say nice try but it's not really that good. anyone here for real information will look at the article I have well sourced and written vs. your two Voat defenses and decide for themselves. I make note of the phenomena I see on the HOT page for those here who know me and who I know so we can compare notes. That's it.
CeepsNo ago
Would you chill out? This isn't my only account. You've posted good content before but if you cant take a simple criticism of one aspect... jeez.
Edit also anyone who has been around voat for awhile knows why they stopped allowing votes on old content. It was specifically to stop shills from making a ton of alts and downvoting one persons old submissions
VieBleu ago
Also calling the entire 20 page article into question because I note in a sentence or two some problems on the front page of voat is worthy of scorn, so if you are going to throw that nonsense around, expect pushback
CeepsNo ago
Ok sorry for that.Bad assumption on my part. It was front you were talking about? I thought you meant "default" hot of /v/pizzagate not of the frontpage
Even sorting by that, oldest post on first 2 pages is 16hrs. So I still dont understand what you saw. Were you looking at "hot" including subverses you have subscribed to (and possibly unsubbed from default subverses?)
VieBleu ago
What I was looking at is a phenomenon that has been noted before by myself and others. First time I saw it was probably 2 months ago now. It happens intermitently but not infrequently.
I do not subscribe to anything but pizzagate. When I look at the default page when landing on pizzagate it is the HOT page.for this subverse. Since that first time (2 months might not be exact-I left a comment about it somewhere in pizzagate whatever because when I first saw it I tried to ping mods about it) what happens is that the normal procession of hot posts seems to be interrupted and suddenly very old posts will come up at the bottom of the hot section. Months old posts with even just a few upvoats and few comments - like 3 - will be on the HOT page somehow. Some of us have also noticed that our hot posts will fall off the frtont page of hot but not proceed to the second, 3rd, 4th etc page or even the 10th page etc but actually completely disappear. If you don't know about them and search for them by title you can't find them browsing through hot. They will have already fallen off new and may or may not be found in top.
All of these phenomena seem like anomalies because the front page never did that for the first many months of this subverse. This also first happened at a time when it seemed like archived stuff was disappearing from .is, the search bar wouldn't work, etc...
The speculation is that posts are shadowbanned, or old posts are being removed, thus changing the queuing pattern of the posts. this subverse has a notoriously hostile relationship with voat leadership and it is suspected the subverse is groomed. some of it may be glitches as well. however the glitch argument only works so much for so long - It is very hard for me to believe that the coders at voat are not skilled enough to be able to apply a search engine to the subverse, as one example.
Hope that clears up my position a little.
I spent a ridiclulous amount of time writing the post on The Keller Effect. So far I haven't wasted my precious and valuable time screenshoting the shenanigans at voat instead of researching and writing - I consider these things to be more like mosquito bites - inevitable here and little that can be done about them. This subverse wears like a slime overcoat, just never fits well or feels right.
CeepsNo ago
Thank you. I can now use an alt account to unsub from every subverse but pizzagate and see if i can reproduce it, see if its a bug.
When you said default, I thought you meant clicking the thing in the top left to see things as if you didnt have an account (where you are subscribed to all the default subverses)
VieBleu ago
Once again right now there are 6 threads months old and marked "archived" at the bottom of the hot page.
CeepsNo ago
Ok, only speculating here, but I wonder if it has something to do with people who have upvoted or downvoted those posts deleting their account, this "refreshes" whatever math gets done to determine if something is "hot" (Upvote - downvote weighted against time of last vote change)
But yeah I'm finally seeing that. Screenshotted it. I'll ask about it.
VieBleu ago
well it was an inauspicious start but turned into something pretty positive. thx. However the real concern is why a hot post will fall off the front page into oblivion, instead of just make it's way down the line onto the second page and so on.
Judgejewdy ago
Noticed this yesterday when Joseph's bistro was getting traction.