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sore_ass_losers ago

Here is Mayer Amschel Rothschild's paternal lineage, from geni.com:

Uri Feibesch (Fajsch) zu Bacharach born 1475

Elchanan zur roten Rose aka "Elchanan ben Uri", "Han", "Hon", "Hane", "Elkan", "Elchanan Bauer?" born circa 1496

Isaac (Isaak) Elchanan Bacharach, zum Hahn, zum rot. Schild aka "Isaac Elchanan Rothschild", "Isak Bauer?" born circa 1528

Moses Isaac Rothschild aka "Mosche Rotschild", "Mose zum rot.Schild" born estimated between 1533 and 1591

Herz Moses Rothschild, zur hinteren Pfanne aka "Hirz Rothschild zur Pfanne", "Herts", "Hersz", "Naftali ben Mosche", "Hirsch", "Hertz" born estimated between 1540 and 1660

Kalman Herz Rothschild, zur Hinter Pfann aka "Calmann" born estimated between 1569 and 1689

Moses Kalmann Rothschild aka "Moses Bauer", "Mosche ben Kalman Rothschild" born estimated between 1634 and 1688

Amschel Moses Rothschild aka "Anschel ben Mosche Rothschild" born 1710 banker and goldsmith

Mayer Amschel Rothschild aka "Mosche Meir" born 1744

So we see a big variation in surnames, in fact all the 'zur', 'zum', 'zu' stuff means 'from' or 'of' I believe and predates surnames. However the surname "Rothschild" has been kicking around a long time before Mayer Amschel, "Bauer" is in there too. Seems like changing your name and picking a new surname was no big deal. All of these guys lived in Frankfurt-am-Main and all but the first buried in the same cemetary, geni.com includes photos of headstones. Note also that Mayer Amschel's dad was already a banker and goldsmith.

It makes me wonder why the whole Rothschild name story is so bandied about. So what? The really interesting ancestral name to me is Elchenan zur Roten Rose. Does 'shild' merely mean 'plaque' or 'sign' and the original sign was a red rose? I think of Rosicrucians, they didn't start till 1616 officially. Their symbol is a red rose on a crucifix type cross (generally Jewish people don't like such crosses).

The fringe conspiracy theorist Fritz Springmeier writes in his discussion of the Rothschilds:

"The origins of the Masonic and Rosicrucian movements lie with the medieval alchemists. Manly P. Hall, Freemasonry’s greatest philosopher writes, ,,During the Middle Ages, alchemy was not only a philosophy and a science but also a religion. Those who rebelled against the religious limitations of their day concealed their philosophic teachings under the allegory of gold-making. In this way they preserved their personal liberty and were ridiculed rather than persecuted. ... The oxide produced using quicksilver was considered magical and mystically identified with the god Osiris. As the reader may have already figured out, alchemy practiced Hermetic magic from ancient Egypt. Alchemy was really a front for the mystery religion of Satanic witchcraft. The leading alchemist was a german Richard Bauer who was alive sometime in the 14 or 15 hundreds. Richard Bauer is said to have been the only alchemist who was successful in transforming lead to gold. Whether that report is meant in an allegorical way, or some other way I do not know What I am trying to communicate is that the Bauer family was a leading alchemical family which secretly practiced Hermetic magic during the late Middle Ages."

http://www.lovethetruth.com/books/13_bloodlines/rothschild_02.htm

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ThePuppetShow ago

Good work! I'm sure the premise of the Rosicrucians was around long before they were officially named Rosicrucians.