Truth about OTO (pizzagate)

submitted ago by redstickbigdick

I'm a long time centipede, AJ fan, Trump supporter, libertarian, Thelemite, and member of OTO, and I want a minute of your attention to unofficially speak on behalf of OTO in regards to recent allegations that it's in some way involved with child sex trafficking (ie pizzagate) or mysterious deaths (ala Killary). I've long wanted to write Alex Jones to clarify some of his misconceptions of Aleister Crowley, Thelema and OTO as someone who is generally on his side but also significantly more informed re this.

Crowley was accused of all sorts of shit throughout his life. A lot of it he did, or there is some reason to suspect it, and he did it in the context of his pursuit of moral purgation, much in the manner of some less popular yogis. But publicly, vocally and as evidenced in his life he believed in the absolute sacredness of human life and of children. He believed to murder was the greatest sort of sin and his "Aeon of the Child" placed the genius of youth and children as paramount and supplanting the patriarchy of the Aeon past. In this sense he was a libertarian that was very much against tyranny in all its forms. There is no reason to believe Crowley ever hurt children. The only evidence people point to that he might have was an allegory he'd pinched from 18th century conspiracy theorists about the sacrifice of young boys where "sacrifice" is ejaculation and "boys" is sperm. He said he sacrificed countless boys over his life. He meant that figuratively - he jacked off a lot for masturbatory sex magical purposes. He jacked off his own adult dick, not the dick of boys. He stated that he meant it allegorically in the very place he talked about it, if only people read the rest of the chapter. I challenge you to bother being thorough: http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/chap12.htm

People have challenged OTO in the past. OTO sued for slander and won: http://www.otoaustralia.org.au/legal

Unfortunately much of OTO leans left, some people far left, and that's what you get when so much of the membership is concentrated on the left coast. So the abortion fundraiser was done and I personally consider it to be extremely horrible and textually against Crowley and Thelema. Protecting life and children, Crowley stated that abortion should be outlawed as a "slave vice." Sadly many "Thelemites" today let political trends take precedence over their purported values.

Again: Seth Rich is a hero, so is Alex Jones, and I sincerely hope the God Emperor prosecutes Crooked Hillary et al to the fullest. And also, Crowley was a perv but not a criminal and OTO neither hosts nor endorses criminal activity.

I'm open to questions.

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privatepizza ago

I argue that the last line (which you interpret as being a euphemism and your only argument that Crowley does not mean child sacrifice), actually means that that this sacrifice is magically dangerous. In the chapter, the preceding sentence states the danger -

Last line of Chapter 12, Magick in Theory and Practice -

You are also likely to get into trouble over this chapter unless you truly comprehend its meaning.

Preceding paragraph text -

One word of warning is perhaps necessary for the beginner. The victim must be in perfect health — or its energy may be as it were poisoned. It must also not be too large: the amount of energy disengaged is almost unimaginably great, and out of all anticipated proportion to the strength of the animal. Consequently, the Magician may easily be overwhelmed and obsessed by the force which he has let loose; it will then probably manifest itself in its lowest and most objectionable form.

The most intense spirituality of purpose is absolutely essential to safety. In evocations the danger is not so great, as the Circle forms a protection; but the circle in such a case must be protected, not only by the names of God and the Invocations used at the same time, but by a long habit of successful defence. If you are easily disturbed or alarmed, or if you have not yet overcome the tendency of the mind to wander, it is not advisable for you to perform the “Bloody Sacrifice”.

redstickbigdick ago

It's a euphemism, you're wrong. The warnings here, and the instructions to be healthy and cautious, are the same warnings you come across with Tantric cults who believed that an impure vessel would produce fucked up magick. Sex magick is a powerful weapon. You have to be skilled and your weapon in good working order.

privatepizza ago

This is your interpretation of the passage from Crowley above. Again, you cannot possibly speak for every Thelemite / OTO initiate in the world.

I interpret it differently, as I'm sure do others. I am quoting original Crowley text here. IF you have text from Crowley's writings (not addendums as you reference in the OP), please do educate us and post them with your arguments. Asking us to read a chapter of addendums which explain your 'euphemism' point isn't really creating the debate you initiated here imo.

And again, maybe you can try to explain away my point made about Crowley recommending in this chapter the initiate should read Frazer's "Golden Bough" for general conclusions about Bloody Sacrifice.

Frazer's tome goes into great detail about ritual human and animal sacrifice and their place throughout history. Therefore, I think there is no doubt that Crowley was talking about sacrificing an animal or human child, rather than this being a euphemism for something else, as the addenda and you suggest.

What do you think about this?