Truth about OTO (pizzagate)

submitted ago by redstickbigdick

I'm a long time centipede, AJ fan, Trump supporter, libertarian, Thelemite, and member of OTO, and I want a minute of your attention to unofficially speak on behalf of OTO in regards to recent allegations that it's in some way involved with child sex trafficking (ie pizzagate) or mysterious deaths (ala Killary). I've long wanted to write Alex Jones to clarify some of his misconceptions of Aleister Crowley, Thelema and OTO as someone who is generally on his side but also significantly more informed re this.

Crowley was accused of all sorts of shit throughout his life. A lot of it he did, or there is some reason to suspect it, and he did it in the context of his pursuit of moral purgation, much in the manner of some less popular yogis. But publicly, vocally and as evidenced in his life he believed in the absolute sacredness of human life and of children. He believed to murder was the greatest sort of sin and his "Aeon of the Child" placed the genius of youth and children as paramount and supplanting the patriarchy of the Aeon past. In this sense he was a libertarian that was very much against tyranny in all its forms. There is no reason to believe Crowley ever hurt children. The only evidence people point to that he might have was an allegory he'd pinched from 18th century conspiracy theorists about the sacrifice of young boys where "sacrifice" is ejaculation and "boys" is sperm. He said he sacrificed countless boys over his life. He meant that figuratively - he jacked off a lot for masturbatory sex magical purposes. He jacked off his own adult dick, not the dick of boys. He stated that he meant it allegorically in the very place he talked about it, if only people read the rest of the chapter. I challenge you to bother being thorough: http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/aba/chap12.htm

People have challenged OTO in the past. OTO sued for slander and won: http://www.otoaustralia.org.au/legal

Unfortunately much of OTO leans left, some people far left, and that's what you get when so much of the membership is concentrated on the left coast. So the abortion fundraiser was done and I personally consider it to be extremely horrible and textually against Crowley and Thelema. Protecting life and children, Crowley stated that abortion should be outlawed as a "slave vice." Sadly many "Thelemites" today let political trends take precedence over their purported values.

Again: Seth Rich is a hero, so is Alex Jones, and I sincerely hope the God Emperor prosecutes Crooked Hillary et al to the fullest. And also, Crowley was a perv but not a criminal and OTO neither hosts nor endorses criminal activity.

I'm open to questions.

You are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

Thesheeplfollowuhome ago

Aleister Crowley did talk about spells and sacrifices, and the ideal sacrifice to achieve a desired result. Often an intelligent young boy. Even if he was opposed to this himself, wouldn't it make sense that future adherents would will to exercise the most potent magic?

The people you know and practice which might not desire to do harm to children, but what if you were corrupted by immense power?¿

redstickbigdick ago

I'm telling you guys that if you don't read the chapter that I linked and I guess most importantly the very last line then you won't understand that it's euphemistic.

privatepizza ago

I don't agree with your interpretation of that last line, please see my other comments.

redstickbigdick ago

Elsewhere he has explicit instructions that that is what he's referring to. The use of orgasm and sexual fluids for magical and alchemical purposes is central to his methodology. If you don't accept that he's speaking euphemistically when he says he is after talking about how he's killed thousands of boys then I suppose you think that Crowley's the world's greatest serial killer of all time. Okham's Razor.

privatepizza ago

Please post the explicit instructions as sources so we can read and consider for ourselves.

Telling us to 'read the chapter' seems like a cop out in this debate you've initiated.

There's no proof Crowley killed thousands of boys, no. However we can read his words and teachings and many could interpret them in other ways than you have.

I quote your OP -

The only evidence people point to that he might have was an allegory he'd pinched from 18th century conspiracy theorists about the sacrifice of young boys where "sacrifice" is ejaculation and "boys" is sperm.

No.. we have Chapter 12 of Crowley's Magick in Theory and Practice which spells 'The Bloody Sacrifice' out* !!!

Which 18th century conspiracy theorists do you refer to? I find your interpretation of Crowley's words incredulous. 'Sacrifice' means ejaculation, and 'boys' means sperm? Seriously? Can you point us to where Crowley says this please?

Coming here and telling us 'up' means 'left', Im unsurprised at your voat count with this thread. At least come with a decent argument. You also invited questions and most you haven't answered.

I quote you from another comment in this thread -

I've never heard anyone interpret blood of a child as something other than the male sexual fluids just as blood of the moon is the female sexual fluids.

So the 'blood of a child' you interpret as male sexual fluids, and 'blood of the moon, monthly' you interpret as female sexual fluids?

I feel you are seriously misinterpreting Crowley's teachings, but hey.... do what thou wilt.