Hi guys, I hope this doesn't get deleted. I'd rather not disclose my identity, but I have been keeping an eye on this Voat since around maybe December nearly every day. I care deeply about this subject and I just wanted to give some constructive criticism because I don't want to see this die. There are some amazing and hard-working people on here and I don't want your work to have a bad image when (or if for that matter) this stuff really starts boiling over to the mainstream. I am making this post for the sake of this movement's legitimacy and integrity.
First and foremost, I believe PG has evolved. This is obviously no longer just about CPP and Podesta's emails. In fact, one could even argue that the original conspiracy was so overwhelmingly "debunked" by MSM because it was all a distraction to make us all look like kooky conspiracy theorists who had no credibility. Nobody truly knows at this point, but I think it is very important that we all focus on FACTS. As a reader, I roll my eyes every time I see a post about the fatherhood video or Miley Cyrus in a pizza outfit. I've been close to leaving this page entirely because of things like this. However, we all saw how the theory blatantly tapped a nerve, and sex trafficking is still very well a part of this. I do think the Pizzagate name is a good one because it is the center of so many people, for lack of a better term, swallowing the red pill. There are dark secrets in the highest levels of government. PG merely opened the doors. The most telling sign that we were onto something was seeing Podesta and Hillary aggressively tweeting, Podesta himself even doing that ludicrous interview.
Sources are important. Please refrain from using sources which are not trustworthy. A post loses all credibility when the source material has articles about inter-dimensional lizards or whatever other nonsense. I know it's difficult to find a good source when so much media seems to be completely controlled, but if I could make a simple suggestion, try not to just post an article with no context. It is almost always entirely useless. And let's talk about the elephant in the room...anons and "whistleblowers." We need to be more careful about who we choose to represent our movement. I really don't want to name names here, but I think you all get the picture. Don't allow the "fake news" narrative to become reality.
Lastly (and this is certainly more of a personal opinion), leave the obvious troll/shill posts up for everyone to see. You know, the "PG Iz Retarded" and other obvious BS. For one, it's quite amusing. But these accounts are highly suspicious. Remember how I said the base PG conspiracy could be a distraction to discredit the movement? Doesn't it seem awfully odd how fixated these accounts seem to be on the very first claims made, rather than the mountains of evidence which have come to light in the last six months? I often see these accounts say something along the lines of "Let me know when Podesta and Hillary are arrested for running a satanic child sex ring in the basement of a pizzeria." This is extremely odd. I think getting to the bottom of these troll accounts could give us all some insight as to the bigger picture of Pizzagate.
I hope my points were clear. There are some wonderful people on here doing God's work. However, this is going to be a tricky battle. Stay headstrong and together we can change the world. Peace and love.
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Commoner ago
What do you think are some of the facts we should focus on? What sources do you think are good and trustworthy?
HelloEverybody ago
The Clintons, Podesta's other controversy, Seth Rich, Brock, Silsby, Epstein, Weiner, the DNC, Soros...again, I'm not saying the original conspiracy isn't true. I'm simply saying we need to focus on facts. And in terms of sources, again, avoid the space reptile stuff and anons baiting is all. Should I name names? I just didn't want to start beef initially but it seems everybody is at my throat right now so I'm happy to continue talking to prove I have honest intentions.
Commoner ago
please don' think I'm being snarky, but those are not facts. Those are what I would call search words. And that is where I think we all run into problems. Where do we search to get more facts? Searching those names only brings up so much that is already out there. I guess I am looking for suggestions on where to look.
HelloEverybody ago
If I knew where to look myself I would have been making posts on here ages ago. I'm not an investigator and I don't claim to be better than anybody else. I understand where you're coming from. But I just don't have the tools or experience to investigate any of this myself. I come here to see updates on the investigating. I'm not capable of doing it myself. I just want to make sure accurate information is posted here is all. I hope that cleared up my point.
SoldierofLight ago
We're citizen investigators. Nobody taught us how to do this. We're trying to figure it out as we go because we want to stop the violence against the victims. You say you can't investigate. Well, lots of times we find stuff simply by Googling it. Even throwing in a small clue you think you MIGHT have found by doing an Internet search, as @Carmencita said, could be helpful. If you're not comfortable with that, share some of the stuff we find on your Facebook account, Twitter, other social media to raise awareness. Print up flyers with Pizzagate memes and leave them in public places, anonymously. Really, there are so many more productive things you can do than criticize us from afar. We're doing the best we can. Do we make mistakes sometimes? Maybe. But I'll take our record against many of the government officials (including presidents) who we've been paying to represent us our entire lives and who are supposed to represent the people.
carmencita ago
I could not have said it better. Thank you. And thank you for what you are doing. This is not what we had ever thought we would have to do.