Lurker from original pizzagate on Reddit...
Coming from a lawyer... I want to help focus this sub on building a case. If not interested, then i guess the post will just die out. I will ask questions and play devils advocate to help form a case (just like real prosecutors).
To make this on-topic, it seems as if the seth rich killing could blow pizzagate wide open, if proven true. That being said, here are my thoughts...
As of right now, everything is based in the court of public opinion. For that, the standard of proof (by how much someone would need to prove something ie beyond 50/50 vs beyond a shadow of a doubt) seems extremely high because at first glance, the DNC involvement in a murder seems unlikely and unreasonable to most people because they don't WANT to believe it.
Moving it over to the criminal prosecution world, the standard is much lower to begin. In order for police to obtain warrants and make arrests, you need to show Probable Cause. Probable cause is a "fair probability." It doesn't even have to be better than 50/50. Probable Cause can be based on hearsay but must be reliable evidence. An anonymous source CAN be used, but only if reliable. For example, an anon source says Steve did it, with no other information, then that is not reliable. However if anon source says Steve did it and included facts that are verifiable and not of public knowledge yet, then that would be reliable.
so let's start...
Is it a fair probability that Podesta was involved?
If so, what makes it a fair probability?
Is it a fair probability that Dr. Sava was involved?
If so, what makes it a fair probability?
If you can establish probable cause and then show the DC police are not acting, that's a whole different potential crime and more evidence of the ultimate truth. If there is a cover up by DC police, you might want to find out if it was normal for each officer that reported to the scene to be there and if there are any complaints against any of them and if that was their beat. Also, what is their protocol (from their actual training, not what you suspect it to be) and did they follow it?
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2impendingdoom ago
even if you have a great case with solid evidence, you need a suspect to charge with murder. I guess it would be the doctor or someone in the hospital or ambulance who is responsible for "letting seth die" (there is no known cause of death to date). To find the shooter, we need the type of weapon and access to the street and body cams.
lawyer4justice ago
Just like with criminal street gangs, once you figure out the clique responsible, you've narrowed it down. Everyone who helped in any form is guilty.
2impendingdoom ago
Seems to me that the family is being intimidated. They could easily obtain the Death Certificate and file for wrongful death against the hospital and subpoena the DNC for Seth and his boss's emails to verify if he was the leaker, also respond to kim.com and ask for evidence. The family doesn't seem to want Seth's murder solved or they refuse to entertain the idea that he was a Bernie supporter/leaker, so its pretty clear that they have been intimidated. Bernie's own behavior and later endorsement of HRC follows that pattern. We are dealing with mass murderers who have enormous power and will stop at nothing.
norobotono ago
They probably threatened them about their other son.
2impendingdoom ago
civil rico suit then? by bernie supporters who need to claim financial harm
lawyer4justice ago
How is there financial harm by the seth rich death?
2impendingdoom ago
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, but I understand that for RICO you need to assert financial damages, so maybe theft of election prevented Bernie from being elected and implementing financial policies, so a class action suit from defrauded Bernie supporters might have a claim on the basis that Seth was attempting to expose election theft? I think there is already a lawsuit against DNC but I don't know if it accuses them of murder.