Lurker from original pizzagate on Reddit...
Coming from a lawyer... I want to help focus this sub on building a case. If not interested, then i guess the post will just die out. I will ask questions and play devils advocate to help form a case (just like real prosecutors).
To make this on-topic, it seems as if the seth rich killing could blow pizzagate wide open, if proven true. That being said, here are my thoughts...
As of right now, everything is based in the court of public opinion. For that, the standard of proof (by how much someone would need to prove something ie beyond 50/50 vs beyond a shadow of a doubt) seems extremely high because at first glance, the DNC involvement in a murder seems unlikely and unreasonable to most people because they don't WANT to believe it.
Moving it over to the criminal prosecution world, the standard is much lower to begin. In order for police to obtain warrants and make arrests, you need to show Probable Cause. Probable cause is a "fair probability." It doesn't even have to be better than 50/50. Probable Cause can be based on hearsay but must be reliable evidence. An anonymous source CAN be used, but only if reliable. For example, an anon source says Steve did it, with no other information, then that is not reliable. However if anon source says Steve did it and included facts that are verifiable and not of public knowledge yet, then that would be reliable.
so let's start...
Is it a fair probability that Podesta was involved?
If so, what makes it a fair probability?
Is it a fair probability that Dr. Sava was involved?
If so, what makes it a fair probability?
If you can establish probable cause and then show the DC police are not acting, that's a whole different potential crime and more evidence of the ultimate truth. If there is a cover up by DC police, you might want to find out if it was normal for each officer that reported to the scene to be there and if there are any complaints against any of them and if that was their beat. Also, what is their protocol (from their actual training, not what you suspect it to be) and did they follow it?
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Jem777 ago
This is not the jurisdiction of the D.C. Police & never was. First of all you need to be aware D.C. Is not like any other city in America. They are ultimately under control of the President of the United States.
Even though they handle local crime and have a Chief it is only a figurehead. Why do you think these horriffic crimes of child trafficking never get investigated.
Next when you have a shooting with the circumstances of Seth Rich it would automatically be FBI. He had access to internal DNC information regarding the potential next President of US. FBI would be called.
Next as reported the hospital was swarmed with law enforcement and he was cordoned off as VIP...that is FBI.
Next there were FBI weapons stolen around the same time near where he was shot. FBI would be called in.
I could go on but finally the FBI became aware of the "hack" actually "leak" in December 2015 by monitoring trafficking going to Wikileaks. This means they knew it was internal.
Seth was unmasked and killed. Probable cause is a joke at this point. The top of the FBI Comey & McCabe violated their oaths long ago by taking money from HRC during investigation.
Obama violated the constitution on millions of citizens by illegally searching and spying on them in violation of the FISA court. This was revealed yeasterday in a scathing report as the single greatest abuse of power by a President in history causing s constitutional crisis now.
lawyer4justice ago
So, the reason why I say MPD has jurisdiction is because they are the ones who are supposed to have jurisdiction. If their narrative is to be believed, this was just a random robbery gone awry. Random robberies gone away are under the jurisdiction of MPD. If FBI is involved then someone has to admit some special circumstance that would bring them in... Deviate from the norm. And just being a dnc staffer doesnt rise to that level. Any deviations from the norm can be little red flags. You have to use their narrative against them. Assume everything they say is true and then point out the fallacies in their constructed "reality."
Jem777 ago
Yes I agree. That is in some ways what I was trying to say. If they want to present as idiots and believed it was a botched robbery then hold it under your jurisdiction. The problem is that minimum standard is not even met.
If this had been an obscure town in the mid-west this would not pass the smell test for a homocide investigation. It was not it was in the most protected City in the world with the highest number of law enforcement, agents, etc. per capita. It is wired with cameras everywhere. It is astounding how bad they are at committing crimes and covering them up actually.