Lurker from original pizzagate on Reddit...
Coming from a lawyer... I want to help focus this sub on building a case. If not interested, then i guess the post will just die out. I will ask questions and play devils advocate to help form a case (just like real prosecutors).
To make this on-topic, it seems as if the seth rich killing could blow pizzagate wide open, if proven true. That being said, here are my thoughts...
As of right now, everything is based in the court of public opinion. For that, the standard of proof (by how much someone would need to prove something ie beyond 50/50 vs beyond a shadow of a doubt) seems extremely high because at first glance, the DNC involvement in a murder seems unlikely and unreasonable to most people because they don't WANT to believe it.
Moving it over to the criminal prosecution world, the standard is much lower to begin. In order for police to obtain warrants and make arrests, you need to show Probable Cause. Probable cause is a "fair probability." It doesn't even have to be better than 50/50. Probable Cause can be based on hearsay but must be reliable evidence. An anonymous source CAN be used, but only if reliable. For example, an anon source says Steve did it, with no other information, then that is not reliable. However if anon source says Steve did it and included facts that are verifiable and not of public knowledge yet, then that would be reliable.
so let's start...
Is it a fair probability that Podesta was involved?
If so, what makes it a fair probability?
Is it a fair probability that Dr. Sava was involved?
If so, what makes it a fair probability?
If you can establish probable cause and then show the DC police are not acting, that's a whole different potential crime and more evidence of the ultimate truth. If there is a cover up by DC police, you might want to find out if it was normal for each officer that reported to the scene to be there and if there are any complaints against any of them and if that was their beat. Also, what is their protocol (from their actual training, not what you suspect it to be) and did they follow it?
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SoSpricyHotDog ago
Hey @lawyer4justice - this is fantastic... but, I'm curious. If we combine our collective and draft a formidable case that includes probable cause, you mention that this can unlock the ability to grant warrants. Clearly, this isn't happening. Beyond that, if the DC police aren't acting, it becomes a whole different crime.
So, my questions are:
Thanks again!
lawyer4justice ago
Oh man, these are the $50 million questions... So many routes... Assuming (big assumption) that probable cause is there and that they didn't act, that could be some proof of a cover up and ultimately something like accessory after the fact or obstruction of justice. Usually for this, you have to show some action (not inaction).
SoSpricyHotDog ago
So, some sort of communication trail to implicate a higher-up in obstruction? Hmmm... yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that following the wave of leaks, the powers that be have returned to the "old school" methods of communication.
If only we could leverage Vault7 against them... using every eligible electronic device in the vicinity of persons of interest would be quite a powerful dragnet. Illegal? Yes... but, they built the systems that violate our Constitutional rights on our tax dollars, we should be able to use these very same tools to stop them from MURDER.
Would sworn testimony count? Without a breadcrumb trail it becomes a situation purely based on trust. The surrounding circumstantial evidence is powerful, particularly if it is proven that SR leaked the docs. My only other concern would be how high is the percentage of individuals hearing this case in terms of their rate of corruption/blackmail leverage?
The tentacles run deep.