Building a case... (pizzagate)

submitted ago by lawyer4justice

Lurker from original pizzagate on Reddit...

Coming from a lawyer... I want to help focus this sub on building a case. If not interested, then i guess the post will just die out. I will ask questions and play devils advocate to help form a case (just like real prosecutors).

To make this on-topic, it seems as if the seth rich killing could blow pizzagate wide open, if proven true. That being said, here are my thoughts... As of right now, everything is based in the court of public opinion. For that, the standard of proof (by how much someone would need to prove something ie beyond 50/50 vs beyond a shadow of a doubt) seems extremely high because at first glance, the DNC involvement in a murder seems unlikely and unreasonable to most people because they don't WANT to believe it.

Moving it over to the criminal prosecution world, the standard is much lower to begin. In order for police to obtain warrants and make arrests, you need to show Probable Cause. Probable cause is a "fair probability." It doesn't even have to be better than 50/50. Probable Cause can be based on hearsay but must be reliable evidence. An anonymous source CAN be used, but only if reliable. For example, an anon source says Steve did it, with no other information, then that is not reliable. However if anon source says Steve did it and included facts that are verifiable and not of public knowledge yet, then that would be reliable.

so let's start... Is it a fair probability that Podesta was involved? If so, what makes it a fair probability? Is it a fair probability that Dr. Sava was involved? If so, what makes it a fair probability?

If you can establish probable cause and then show the DC police are not acting, that's a whole different potential crime and more evidence of the ultimate truth. If there is a cover up by DC police, you might want to find out if it was normal for each officer that reported to the scene to be there and if there are any complaints against any of them and if that was their beat. Also, what is their protocol (from their actual training, not what you suspect it to be) and did they follow it?

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Pizzalawyer ago

Dark Math, why are you talking about the FBI? For the time being this case is a plain vanilla homicide from a jurisdictional point of view. The Metro police are to handle the investigation and make arrests, not the FBI. That said, I agree with everything the OP has discussed.

More importantly there are some big wigs taking an interest in this case. It is vitally important that if we want to help out, we need to present our findings in an organized fashion wherein the evidence has merit as evidence and not speculation. AnonOpenPress is probably the best Pizzagater up to the task. Perhaps a new post can be created styled Summary of Seth Rich Murder Evidence.

Edit: The FBI would have jurisdiction over the possible hacking of the emails by the Russians. Proof that Seth was the leaker would pretty much take care of that problem. On the other hand if there was analysis of the Committees computers by the FBI as part of the Russian probe, then Seth's involvement may be uncovered. So there is dual jurisdiction depending on the crime being investigated, a cyber crime versus homicide.

lawyer4justice ago

VERY important to remember who has jurisdiction right now. If it really is just a random attempt robbery/murder then the FBI shouldn't be touching it. If FBI is getting involved, that is telling of something going on outside the MPD jurisdiction.