After 1966 when Paul died, possibly a bit before. They were too big an act for the British intel to not make use of. And lots of money involved. Paul was replaced by a talented Scottish studio musician William (Bill) Shears, who was a Freemason (he admits as much in his book but downplays it, also downplays his involvement in Satanism and the occult and seances etc.).
Contracts via lawyers were signed by the other 3 that Paul would lead the band now and the direction would be more "counter-culture." The other 3 agreed under stress and they had no choice. The morbidity surrounding them was due to them wanting to drop hints in album covers and songs that Paul had died and been replaced. The whole thing affected the new Paul significantly too. Long and winding road ... I mean story. You can do a google search for interviews or get the book "Memoirs of Billy Shears."
I seriously doubt any of them were pedophiles (though manager Epstein, who died at 32 and was homosexual) might have been. It's true they likely in younger days, bedded teenagers. That bloody babies butcher album cover was hated by most of the (young at that time) Beatles. John thought it was "cool," avant garde stuff.
Lennon was probably murdered for talking too much, there's some clouds surrounding Yoko too. Heather Mills is scared to death because she knows. Etc. Why'd you get me started on this?
Yeah, do tell! I don't know why I got you started, but I'm glad I did. But Epstein and Lennon had sex. What about Lennon and Jagger? There's a weird thing between the two bands. Remember when The Stones dressed up like The Beatles? That's very occult.
There's been some speculation about Lennon's sexuality. I doubt he was into men much but wouldn't surprise me if he "experimented" when he was wasted. Had big problems with heroin. "Cold Turkey" song is about that. Also the song "I'm So Tired" on the White Album." Listen to Lennon's song "Mother" and feel his heart break about his childhood. Some primeval "screaming" in there. Spooky.
I doubt Jagger was into men much either (though he reveled in being thought of as androgynous and loved wearing make-up for a while) but I do know Lennon and he were great friends and had same sense of humor. Jagger did "rape" Mackenzie Phillips while in her dad's house (dad was Mama's and The Papa's founder and wrote "San Francisco Flowers in Your Hair" and gave it away to his friend and lead singer Mackenzie who he named his daughter after). High on Arrival is her book, it's incredible.
Paul (Faul they call him) says the Stones indeed are flat out Satanists ... but again, he dodges the question concerning his own involvement. Don't remember the Stones dressing up like the Beatles.
This is such a deep rabbit hole, much more that would blow your mind. I'm no kook and it took me almost two years (off and on) to understand everything and finally grudgingly embrace it. I had to quit looking at it, just too heavy.
The Beatles had to be Satanic ... at least Lennon did. Wasn't he part of the Kenneth Anger crowd? Mick Jagger definitely was. And I believe Jagger was caught in bed with Bowie. As for MacKenzie Phillip, have no idea whether she was molested. I tend to believe accusations such as these, and she fits the screwed up kid that was molested, so somebody got to her would be my guess. There is a deep rabbit hole. I was doing some digging into the Kenneth Anger angle and it gets to be too much. You're right. I also connected some of what The Zodiac Killer did with The Beatles music. I can't remember all the clues. I assembled, or if they made sense, but I've always felt that Manson was either involved or knew. So many ways to think about this, but Lennon was definitely part of that crowd.
I don't know the name Kenneth Anger, I'll have to check him out. I like to have good sources, I don't like to speculate (the truth is crazy enough). Nothing would surprise me about Lennon, but I know he was a pretty unhappy person, and battled addiction. Sir Paul it appears, when he took over the band, led the others astray, though Lennon was pretty independent ... they all ended up hating Sir Paul. Sir Paul was, and still is, into the occult. And I believe he is "handled" by intelligence. Don't know much about the Zodiac and the Beatles.
I do know that CIA used Sir Paul and others (Mamas and the Papas) to infiltrate the Monterrey Pop Festival and distribute LSD to see the effects. Even JFK experimented with LSD through his mistress Mary Pinochet (book Mary's Mosaic) and Timothy Leary.
There was a very complex connection between Manson and CIA, the Beatles, and esp the Beach Boys who Manson stayed with and even recorded a song with. The Beatles lyrics written in blood at the Tate place were before the album even came out. The house belonged to Doris Day's son Terry Melcher who was a record producer, and of course all these famous people are involved, Polanski, Folger, Sebring, Tate. What a mess. I think it was a CIA operation, the murders. Manson always stated that he never killed anyone. He was a petty criminal who owned nothing till the CIA "enlisted" him.
I often say that what we're seeing is Charlie's War. He definitely was used by the CIA. He created "snuff films", and Polanski was into the same type of stuff. He filmed pornography and had a cache of it at his home. Sebring and Watson were connected by hair dressing. Drugs were smuggled in wigs shipped. Also Tate allegedly had no connection to Watson and yet he had use of her car. I'd say that was mighty generous of her to just handover her car for a complete stranger to use. Now you may call that speculation, but it's just getting real. Obviously, there are connections that media has never come forward in revealing and that's what I'm interested in. Anger is one of the biggest players in connecting the dots and spreading the Satanic doctrine. There was also another major player in LA and I'll be damned if I can remember his name. Was gay or transgender ... and was involved up to his eyeballs in this shit. Lots of creepy connections. Then there's your namesake David Lynch presenting to us the concept of punching a hole through the universe and creating a cataclysmic event so terrifying that others can go back and visit or "ride." Take "a" ride like Helter Skelter. Yup, it's all hidden in plain sight an that's what makes it so scary.
I am familiar w/ the Houston socialite played by Julia Roberts in the film. I have seen her River Oaks house. Charlie eventually went off the deep end.
"Shampoo" w/ Warren Beatty was based on Sebring. Helter Skelter was what the Brits called their roller coasters. That's what the song is about ... supposedly.
I doubt we'll ever get to the bottom of Manson rabbit hole, it's just too wild, too much. But fascinating. Mae Brussel was "on" the fact that Manson was CIA as far back as 1971. Weird.
And Manson just happened to use Helter Skelter to name the coming war ... yeah, I think not. And how can you get to the bottom when you only go back to the top where I see you again? wink wink
Well, whether it was written with that in mind or not, it sure was certainly used for diabolical reasons that's for sure! That's a good observation there.
Speaking of the Beatles that damned Sir Paul is taking a lot of the Beatles stuff off you tube 'cause he's a jerk, and wants recognition for what he's done (as William Shepard) before he dies. Ergo, the above clip is not the original from the White Album.
I would to hear those Heather Mills tapes. He paid through the nose to keep those secreted. Wonder if he beat Linda. Probably did. I don't doubt anything anymore.
Linda knew who he was when they married, they were pretty tight. If he did abuse her it would have been risky, as she is Linda Eastman of Eastman Kodak fame. Both vegetarians BTW.
Poor Heather didn't know. Have no idea how she found out but it was NOT a good thing (obviously). Knowing Sir Paul, he was smoking weed one night and confessed, possibly. Then she blew a gasket. Or maybe through the grapevine and she confronted him (bad move). You should watch The Winged Beatle (maybe you have).
Linda was promiscuous. I think it was partly the times, but she slept with pretty much everyone she photographed ... or met. She did the same with him and told many people he gave her crabs. Like I said, I think it was the times, but I'm putting it out there. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, she was from a rich family ... and is current wife i mafioso money. Maybe it's more an alliance for him.
Yeah, all that sounds right. She was pretty loose. She came from the wealthy Eastman Kodak (camera film) company family. And she was minimally attractive. But they did seem to get along (though yeah sounds like an "open marriage"). The best thing about her was that Faul could confide in her and tell all his secrets.
"Alliance" ... yes, his past two marriages I highly doubt were "organic." Why would he marry an amputee? (But why does Elton John marry a man when he could have, like Jagger, any woman he wanted ... go figure.)
Yes, I would imagine being able to confide in her was a big draw. She had secrets; he had secrets ... yeah, think you hit that one just right.
Now Tate marrying Polanski ... WTH?!!!! Polanski must have been abusive and tore away at her insecurities. Then Polanski presented himself as some kind of genius and Hollywood went along with that. Whatever. But Rosemary's Baby? Not sure about that at all. That's another part of this rabbit hole. Mia Farrow has all those adopted kids and marries a pedo that the judge all but said was a pedo. She has the chance to bring charges and doesn't?
Polanski. Yeah I know. Nutcase. Beatle's song "Sexy Sadie" was about how Maharishi Yogi betrayed them all by hitting on Mia Farrow when they all went out to visit him in India. Just change the name "Sadie" in the song to Maharishi Yogi. That's the way it was originally written but Harrison begged Lennon to change it.
Of course Farrow said Woody Allen molested their daughter. Wouldn't be surprised at all w/ all the pedo movies he's made.
Song (from same album) "Dear Prudence" was about ...
"Dear Prudence [is] written in India. A song about Mia Farrow's sister, who seemed to go slightly barmy, meditating too long, and couldn't come out of the little hut that we were livin' in. They selected me and George to try and bring her out because she would trust us. If she'd been in the West, they would have put her away. We got her out of the house. She'd been locked in for three weeks and wouldn't come out, trying to reach God quicker than anybody else. That was the competition in Maharishi's camp: who was going to get cosmic first." - Lennon
On same album is song "Julia," written by Lennon to honor his mother. Pretty song.
I think he also hit on Patti Harrison. I think George was the most advanced thinker in terms of compassion. He admitted responsibility for neglecting his wife and didn't harbor ill will towards either her or Eric Clapton for getting together. I think he got the concept that ideals are ideals and the people who espouse ideals may be flawed. It doesn't change the ideal or make it wrong. I think he also could forgive, and true forgiveness, is reserved for a rarefied few. And Julia is a pretty song, BUT .... there's plenty of angst in there. A little boy begging his mother to come out and play when she's probably in there drinking or with a hangover or with another man. Very sad. Yeah, Mia Farrow ... Rosemary ... Sharon Marie Tate. Sharon Tate was supposed to play that part, but did she play it in real life ... ?
Wow, haven't listened to "Julia" in a while, I should check out the lyrics. In that movie about Lennon as a boy there is suggestiveness of he and his mom being just a little too close. Yeah I liked George, the only one that stayed somewhat "grounded." He was the youngster among them. Always seeking something.
Sweet guy but as they say he didn't "suffer fools gladly." When intel infiltrated them manager Epstein told John to keep an eye on George, as George had a tendency to just speak the truth, "say what's on his mind." Probably why he was nearly killed also. One thing he couldn't beat was cigarettes.
Speaking the truth was why I liked him. Now George, I'd be surprised as hell to find out he was anything but what was presented. Wrote some damn good songs along the way also.
I agree. I believe, though he was a nervous wreck from the break-up and all that entailed (not to mention bitter), and it really shook him up and helped make the man he was ... I believe he was a pretty normal guy. What you see is what you get. Straight-shooter speaking about Faul (whom he cared not for). https://youtu.be/D9_uhn5XnI8?t=16
She's pretty gross. Never liked her. You see Harrison's reaction. Ringo says she and John were tight. But, there's too many negative rumors about her. In the Winged Beatle there's a quick segment showing the controversy where she says she did not know who Lennon even was upon first meeting him (she's always said that) versus she did indeed know who he was. I need to research it.
She latched onto him. Definitely a handler. The Beatles did have money and power. She used him to spread commie ideas. The woman as nigg*r shit ... I'm not saying that woman aren't oppressed, they are in a lot of ways, but her? Nothing I hate more than a wealthy aristocrat helping out the poor and oppressed by pretending to be poor and oppressed. And did you see the shoutout he gave the CALIFORNIA DEM that backed Yoko's campaign (because it wasn't John's ... John admits he thought it was ridiculous, but then he miraculously got his mind spun around -- it's what a shitload of drugs and a handler can do. Remember: Nixon said that John Lennon was the most dangerous enemy. I always thought that was the most ridiculous statement, but then when pizzagate happened, I'm like, holy shit! Nixon was right. The part Lennon played was so clear and he even set the precedent for Obama's disastrous immigration program. And her saying she shot him? What was that supposed to be? The only thing I don't know is why. My guess was to make him a martyr and keep the legend of what he was alive. If people had seen he was a drugged up, duped, fucking idiot commie that fraternized with Manson and Satanists, he would have lost his luster. Yoko reminds me a lot of Killary and that is NOT a compliment!
Right, people did not know the real Lennon, just what was presented to them. His song "Imagine" is a delusional dream. Communism glorified. One 'probably' good book about him is the one on his days in NYC, but again, who knows what's true and what's not. I'm trying to eventually watch this (below) don't know what will be true and what will be false though. Maybe you've heard of it.
No, I have not heard of it, but am familiar with the narrative. It was that Lennon was this knight in shining armor trying to fight for the little people's plight and Nixon was "a crazy" who was delusional and hated Lennon for being uplifting the masses and spitting truth. Now that I'm thinking about this, Yoko was his mother. They look alike and I never even got the similarities. They looked alike, were both hooked on substance abuse, and he doted on both trying to please Yoko like he pleased his mom. It's probably why Yoko handled him like she did. Coming out and playing with him when being good and punishing by distancing herself when he was bad. It leads me to believe that the death of his mother was purposeful ... if not an incendiary event, it was used to get to him psychologically an place the worst person in the world next to him to guide his thought process and use him for the narrative they were trying to advance. It's all one big cabal and Lennon was dangerous and Nixon was right.
That's weird, they did look alike, and she was very much like a mother figure to him, which he would have willingly embraced due to his mom's early death. Yeah, I think she wore the pants in the family. So there was probably more to George's disdain for her than just her "breaking up the band," which of course was the excuse for the break-up. She was a control freak - and maybe not just on a familial level...
I'm sure not. And they all hated her. While people had problems with Linda's father, Maureen, Patti, and Linda did not cause friction with band members. Nobody wanted to quit except for when John started bringing that hag Yoko to practice. It all fits nicely now. Herd mentality. John wouldn't listen, but couldn't because it was a Mommie Dearest thing going on. Remember the famous shot of him nude and in a fetal position kissing Yoko? (Rolling Stone cover) .... and lookie this!!! Just found this while perusing in the dumpster.
in a 1979 audio confession, Lennon revealed that as a teen he bore sexual desires for his mother. He later regretted not having made a move on her, saying, "Presumably, she would have allowed it."
Whoa! No wonder the movie about his boyhood kept implying that. I believe it ... and I would imagine his mom indeed would have been quite the facilitator ... she was wild.
Yeah, I had to cover my kids' eyes in the store when that nude issue came out - I thought it was pretty gross.
It just goes to show how molestation and inappropriate sexual behavior can mess up a mind. Funny how this never even occurred to me before, but there it is ... and there is this faction taking advantage of it to advance an agenda.
Anger was Bowies manager in the beginning of his career, he was also deeply in love with Bowie, a kind of a father figure too. their relationship was cut down by David after idontrememberrightnow, he didn't really understand the route Bowie took artistically and whatnot. and also because David wasn't in love with him.
Thanks for this. I gotta run, but have you ever heard of Rodney BINGENHEIMER (sorry for all caps)? He was a big Bowie fan and I went out to meet him at his club back in '75. They were all crazy punk rockers. I was trying to be a star lol, glad I failed. They were crazy. Talk later.
dont think i have so thanks for the tip, the Anger part i know from reading marc spitz' "Bowie", although very fanboyish it was still an interesting read.
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quantokitty ago
They were absolutely part of the conspiracy. That piece of shit commie Lennon set the precedent for Obama's immigration plan. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/beatles-john-lennon-set-precedent-obamas-immigration-policy And remember that Manson insisted their music contained hidden messages.Did they?
HollandDrive ago
Lennon was irreversibly traumatized by the death of Paul and subsequent coercion, intimidation, and contractual N/D agreements he endured.
quantokitty ago
Well, there was something about the death of his mother, too. Think her sister was taking care of him, no?
HollandDrive ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfU70TFWM3Y
quantokitty ago
Thanks, but where do the handlers, Satanism, and sexual abuse come in?
HollandDrive ago
After 1966 when Paul died, possibly a bit before. They were too big an act for the British intel to not make use of. And lots of money involved. Paul was replaced by a talented Scottish studio musician William (Bill) Shears, who was a Freemason (he admits as much in his book but downplays it, also downplays his involvement in Satanism and the occult and seances etc.).
Contracts via lawyers were signed by the other 3 that Paul would lead the band now and the direction would be more "counter-culture." The other 3 agreed under stress and they had no choice. The morbidity surrounding them was due to them wanting to drop hints in album covers and songs that Paul had died and been replaced. The whole thing affected the new Paul significantly too. Long and winding road ... I mean story. You can do a google search for interviews or get the book "Memoirs of Billy Shears."
I seriously doubt any of them were pedophiles (though manager Epstein, who died at 32 and was homosexual) might have been. It's true they likely in younger days, bedded teenagers. That bloody babies butcher album cover was hated by most of the (young at that time) Beatles. John thought it was "cool," avant garde stuff.
Lennon was probably murdered for talking too much, there's some clouds surrounding Yoko too. Heather Mills is scared to death because she knows. Etc. Why'd you get me started on this?
Edit: William Shepard was his name, not Shears.
quantokitty ago
Yeah, do tell! I don't know why I got you started, but I'm glad I did. But Epstein and Lennon had sex. What about Lennon and Jagger? There's a weird thing between the two bands. Remember when The Stones dressed up like The Beatles? That's very occult.
HollandDrive ago
There's been some speculation about Lennon's sexuality. I doubt he was into men much but wouldn't surprise me if he "experimented" when he was wasted. Had big problems with heroin. "Cold Turkey" song is about that. Also the song "I'm So Tired" on the White Album." Listen to Lennon's song "Mother" and feel his heart break about his childhood. Some primeval "screaming" in there. Spooky.
I doubt Jagger was into men much either (though he reveled in being thought of as androgynous and loved wearing make-up for a while) but I do know Lennon and he were great friends and had same sense of humor. Jagger did "rape" Mackenzie Phillips while in her dad's house (dad was Mama's and The Papa's founder and wrote "San Francisco Flowers in Your Hair" and gave it away to his friend and lead singer Mackenzie who he named his daughter after). High on Arrival is her book, it's incredible.
Paul (Faul they call him) says the Stones indeed are flat out Satanists ... but again, he dodges the question concerning his own involvement. Don't remember the Stones dressing up like the Beatles.
This is such a deep rabbit hole, much more that would blow your mind. I'm no kook and it took me almost two years (off and on) to understand everything and finally grudgingly embrace it. I had to quit looking at it, just too heavy.
quantokitty ago
The Beatles had to be Satanic ... at least Lennon did. Wasn't he part of the Kenneth Anger crowd? Mick Jagger definitely was. And I believe Jagger was caught in bed with Bowie. As for MacKenzie Phillip, have no idea whether she was molested. I tend to believe accusations such as these, and she fits the screwed up kid that was molested, so somebody got to her would be my guess. There is a deep rabbit hole. I was doing some digging into the Kenneth Anger angle and it gets to be too much. You're right. I also connected some of what The Zodiac Killer did with The Beatles music. I can't remember all the clues. I assembled, or if they made sense, but I've always felt that Manson was either involved or knew. So many ways to think about this, but Lennon was definitely part of that crowd.
HollandDrive ago
I don't know the name Kenneth Anger, I'll have to check him out. I like to have good sources, I don't like to speculate (the truth is crazy enough). Nothing would surprise me about Lennon, but I know he was a pretty unhappy person, and battled addiction. Sir Paul it appears, when he took over the band, led the others astray, though Lennon was pretty independent ... they all ended up hating Sir Paul. Sir Paul was, and still is, into the occult. And I believe he is "handled" by intelligence. Don't know much about the Zodiac and the Beatles.
I do know that CIA used Sir Paul and others (Mamas and the Papas) to infiltrate the Monterrey Pop Festival and distribute LSD to see the effects. Even JFK experimented with LSD through his mistress Mary Pinochet (book Mary's Mosaic) and Timothy Leary.
There was a very complex connection between Manson and CIA, the Beatles, and esp the Beach Boys who Manson stayed with and even recorded a song with. The Beatles lyrics written in blood at the Tate place were before the album even came out. The house belonged to Doris Day's son Terry Melcher who was a record producer, and of course all these famous people are involved, Polanski, Folger, Sebring, Tate. What a mess. I think it was a CIA operation, the murders. Manson always stated that he never killed anyone. He was a petty criminal who owned nothing till the CIA "enlisted" him.
quantokitty ago
I often say that what we're seeing is Charlie's War. He definitely was used by the CIA. He created "snuff films", and Polanski was into the same type of stuff. He filmed pornography and had a cache of it at his home. Sebring and Watson were connected by hair dressing. Drugs were smuggled in wigs shipped. Also Tate allegedly had no connection to Watson and yet he had use of her car. I'd say that was mighty generous of her to just handover her car for a complete stranger to use. Now you may call that speculation, but it's just getting real. Obviously, there are connections that media has never come forward in revealing and that's what I'm interested in. Anger is one of the biggest players in connecting the dots and spreading the Satanic doctrine. There was also another major player in LA and I'll be damned if I can remember his name. Was gay or transgender ... and was involved up to his eyeballs in this shit. Lots of creepy connections. Then there's your namesake David Lynch presenting to us the concept of punching a hole through the universe and creating a cataclysmic event so terrifying that others can go back and visit or "ride." Take "a" ride like Helter Skelter. Yup, it's all hidden in plain sight an that's what makes it so scary.
HollandDrive ago
I am familiar w/ the Houston socialite played by Julia Roberts in the film. I have seen her River Oaks house. Charlie eventually went off the deep end.
"Shampoo" w/ Warren Beatty was based on Sebring. Helter Skelter was what the Brits called their roller coasters. That's what the song is about ... supposedly.
I doubt we'll ever get to the bottom of Manson rabbit hole, it's just too wild, too much. But fascinating. Mae Brussel was "on" the fact that Manson was CIA as far back as 1971. Weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhr-wPVvNOw
quantokitty ago
And Manson just happened to use Helter Skelter to name the coming war ... yeah, I think not. And how can you get to the bottom when you only go back to the top where I see you again? wink wink
HollandDrive ago
Well, whether it was written with that in mind or not, it sure was certainly used for diabolical reasons that's for sure! That's a good observation there.
Pigs was written all over the Tate door and other parts of the house. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nloJuu2rCk
Speaking of the Beatles that damned Sir Paul is taking a lot of the Beatles stuff off you tube 'cause he's a jerk, and wants recognition for what he's done (as William Shepard) before he dies. Ergo, the above clip is not the original from the White Album.
quantokitty ago
I would to hear those Heather Mills tapes. He paid through the nose to keep those secreted. Wonder if he beat Linda. Probably did. I don't doubt anything anymore.
HollandDrive ago
Linda knew who he was when they married, they were pretty tight. If he did abuse her it would have been risky, as she is Linda Eastman of Eastman Kodak fame. Both vegetarians BTW.
Poor Heather didn't know. Have no idea how she found out but it was NOT a good thing (obviously). Knowing Sir Paul, he was smoking weed one night and confessed, possibly. Then she blew a gasket. Or maybe through the grapevine and she confronted him (bad move). You should watch The Winged Beatle (maybe you have).
Here's Heather with her "insurance file." And mentioning being "topped off" (killed). https://youtu.be/wJWiZ4V8mR0?t=91
quantokitty ago
Linda was promiscuous. I think it was partly the times, but she slept with pretty much everyone she photographed ... or met. She did the same with him and told many people he gave her crabs. Like I said, I think it was the times, but I'm putting it out there. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, she was from a rich family ... and is current wife i mafioso money. Maybe it's more an alliance for him.
HollandDrive ago
Yeah, all that sounds right. She was pretty loose. She came from the wealthy Eastman Kodak (camera film) company family. And she was minimally attractive. But they did seem to get along (though yeah sounds like an "open marriage"). The best thing about her was that Faul could confide in her and tell all his secrets.
"Alliance" ... yes, his past two marriages I highly doubt were "organic." Why would he marry an amputee? (But why does Elton John marry a man when he could have, like Jagger, any woman he wanted ... go figure.)
quantokitty ago
Yes, I would imagine being able to confide in her was a big draw. She had secrets; he had secrets ... yeah, think you hit that one just right.
Now Tate marrying Polanski ... WTH?!!!! Polanski must have been abusive and tore away at her insecurities. Then Polanski presented himself as some kind of genius and Hollywood went along with that. Whatever. But Rosemary's Baby? Not sure about that at all. That's another part of this rabbit hole. Mia Farrow has all those adopted kids and marries a pedo that the judge all but said was a pedo. She has the chance to bring charges and doesn't?
HollandDrive ago
Polanski. Yeah I know. Nutcase. Beatle's song "Sexy Sadie" was about how Maharishi Yogi betrayed them all by hitting on Mia Farrow when they all went out to visit him in India. Just change the name "Sadie" in the song to Maharishi Yogi. That's the way it was originally written but Harrison begged Lennon to change it.
Of course Farrow said Woody Allen molested their daughter. Wouldn't be surprised at all w/ all the pedo movies he's made.
Song (from same album) "Dear Prudence" was about ...
"Dear Prudence [is] written in India. A song about Mia Farrow's sister, who seemed to go slightly barmy, meditating too long, and couldn't come out of the little hut that we were livin' in. They selected me and George to try and bring her out because she would trust us. If she'd been in the West, they would have put her away. We got her out of the house. She'd been locked in for three weeks and wouldn't come out, trying to reach God quicker than anybody else. That was the competition in Maharishi's camp: who was going to get cosmic first." - Lennon
On same album is song "Julia," written by Lennon to honor his mother. Pretty song.
quantokitty ago
I think he also hit on Patti Harrison. I think George was the most advanced thinker in terms of compassion. He admitted responsibility for neglecting his wife and didn't harbor ill will towards either her or Eric Clapton for getting together. I think he got the concept that ideals are ideals and the people who espouse ideals may be flawed. It doesn't change the ideal or make it wrong. I think he also could forgive, and true forgiveness, is reserved for a rarefied few. And Julia is a pretty song, BUT .... there's plenty of angst in there. A little boy begging his mother to come out and play when she's probably in there drinking or with a hangover or with another man. Very sad. Yeah, Mia Farrow ... Rosemary ... Sharon Marie Tate. Sharon Tate was supposed to play that part, but did she play it in real life ... ?
HollandDrive ago
Wow, haven't listened to "Julia" in a while, I should check out the lyrics. In that movie about Lennon as a boy there is suggestiveness of he and his mom being just a little too close. Yeah I liked George, the only one that stayed somewhat "grounded." He was the youngster among them. Always seeking something.
Sweet guy but as they say he didn't "suffer fools gladly." When intel infiltrated them manager Epstein told John to keep an eye on George, as George had a tendency to just speak the truth, "say what's on his mind." Probably why he was nearly killed also. One thing he couldn't beat was cigarettes.
quantokitty ago
Speaking the truth was why I liked him. Now George, I'd be surprised as hell to find out he was anything but what was presented. Wrote some damn good songs along the way also.
HollandDrive ago
I agree. I believe, though he was a nervous wreck from the break-up and all that entailed (not to mention bitter), and it really shook him up and helped make the man he was ... I believe he was a pretty normal guy. What you see is what you get. Straight-shooter speaking about Faul (whom he cared not for). https://youtu.be/D9_uhn5XnI8?t=16
quantokitty ago
WOW! He was quiet, but when he had something to say, he said it.
HollandDrive ago
Yeah, he was the serious one, didn't pull punches. https://youtu.be/iU4Cct2aov8?t=57
quantokitty ago
She has to be a straight up bitch and was his handler.
HollandDrive ago
She's pretty gross. Never liked her. You see Harrison's reaction. Ringo says she and John were tight. But, there's too many negative rumors about her. In the Winged Beatle there's a quick segment showing the controversy where she says she did not know who Lennon even was upon first meeting him (she's always said that) versus she did indeed know who he was. I need to research it.
quantokitty ago
She latched onto him. Definitely a handler. The Beatles did have money and power. She used him to spread commie ideas. The woman as nigg*r shit ... I'm not saying that woman aren't oppressed, they are in a lot of ways, but her? Nothing I hate more than a wealthy aristocrat helping out the poor and oppressed by pretending to be poor and oppressed. And did you see the shoutout he gave the CALIFORNIA DEM that backed Yoko's campaign (because it wasn't John's ... John admits he thought it was ridiculous, but then he miraculously got his mind spun around -- it's what a shitload of drugs and a handler can do. Remember: Nixon said that John Lennon was the most dangerous enemy. I always thought that was the most ridiculous statement, but then when pizzagate happened, I'm like, holy shit! Nixon was right. The part Lennon played was so clear and he even set the precedent for Obama's disastrous immigration program. And her saying she shot him? What was that supposed to be? The only thing I don't know is why. My guess was to make him a martyr and keep the legend of what he was alive. If people had seen he was a drugged up, duped, fucking idiot commie that fraternized with Manson and Satanists, he would have lost his luster. Yoko reminds me a lot of Killary and that is NOT a compliment!
HollandDrive ago
Right, people did not know the real Lennon, just what was presented to them. His song "Imagine" is a delusional dream. Communism glorified. One 'probably' good book about him is the one on his days in NYC, but again, who knows what's true and what's not. I'm trying to eventually watch this (below) don't know what will be true and what will be false though. Maybe you've heard of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTfyVYqYL90
quantokitty ago
No, I have not heard of it, but am familiar with the narrative. It was that Lennon was this knight in shining armor trying to fight for the little people's plight and Nixon was "a crazy" who was delusional and hated Lennon for being uplifting the masses and spitting truth. Now that I'm thinking about this, Yoko was his mother. They look alike and I never even got the similarities. They looked alike, were both hooked on substance abuse, and he doted on both trying to please Yoko like he pleased his mom. It's probably why Yoko handled him like she did. Coming out and playing with him when being good and punishing by distancing herself when he was bad. It leads me to believe that the death of his mother was purposeful ... if not an incendiary event, it was used to get to him psychologically an place the worst person in the world next to him to guide his thought process and use him for the narrative they were trying to advance. It's all one big cabal and Lennon was dangerous and Nixon was right.
HollandDrive ago
That's weird, they did look alike, and she was very much like a mother figure to him, which he would have willingly embraced due to his mom's early death. Yeah, I think she wore the pants in the family. So there was probably more to George's disdain for her than just her "breaking up the band," which of course was the excuse for the break-up. She was a control freak - and maybe not just on a familial level...
quantokitty ago
I'm sure not. And they all hated her. While people had problems with Linda's father, Maureen, Patti, and Linda did not cause friction with band members. Nobody wanted to quit except for when John started bringing that hag Yoko to practice. It all fits nicely now. Herd mentality. John wouldn't listen, but couldn't because it was a Mommie Dearest thing going on. Remember the famous shot of him nude and in a fetal position kissing Yoko? (Rolling Stone cover) .... and lookie this!!! Just found this while perusing in the dumpster.
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/you-dont-have-to-imagine-john-lennon-beat-women-and-childrenits-just-a-fact?utm_source=vicefbdk
HollandDrive ago
Whoa! No wonder the movie about his boyhood kept implying that. I believe it ... and I would imagine his mom indeed would have been quite the facilitator ... she was wild. Yeah, I had to cover my kids' eyes in the store when that nude issue came out - I thought it was pretty gross.
quantokitty ago
It just goes to show how molestation and inappropriate sexual behavior can mess up a mind. Funny how this never even occurred to me before, but there it is ... and there is this faction taking advantage of it to advance an agenda.
HollandDrive ago
Indeed. The older senior high school girls would practice french kissing on young me. I think it was all downhill after that.
followthedolla ago
Anger was Bowies manager in the beginning of his career, he was also deeply in love with Bowie, a kind of a father figure too. their relationship was cut down by David after idontrememberrightnow, he didn't really understand the route Bowie took artistically and whatnot. and also because David wasn't in love with him.
HollandDrive ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EDp2oHQaRI
HollandDrive ago
Thanks for this. I gotta run, but have you ever heard of Rodney BINGENHEIMER (sorry for all caps)? He was a big Bowie fan and I went out to meet him at his club back in '75. They were all crazy punk rockers. I was trying to be a star lol, glad I failed. They were crazy. Talk later.
followthedolla ago
dont think i have so thanks for the tip, the Anger part i know from reading marc spitz' "Bowie", although very fanboyish it was still an interesting read.