No, I think the question is open. They may have sold her.
The parents are definitely crisis actors; likely members of a "Satan" club - as are likely the Sandy Hookers.
The Propaganda of the "Maddy Tabloid Hysteria" has its own Raison d'Etre.
It's mind - control / distraction. If you shun that bullshit, then you would know.
I think it's likely with the way they reacted. I think they could have joined some sort of satanic cult, the sort the rich and powerful join. I'm not sure they knew entirety what they were in for with these evil people though. I think it's possible their fears were only fully realised when Maddie had gone.
I've never read any tabloids about it. The police reports are evidence enough. The changing stories are evidence enough. The family friend who learned about the pedophilia is evidence enough. She was likely used and accidentally died, then it was covered up with the assistance of the UK government: that's suspicious in itself.
Sadly some idiots actually don't blame the McCanns for leaving their twin babies and a three year old in an unlocked apartment building. That's criminal enough. If anyone cares to investigate the Gaspar statement you might find a pedo angle. But Kate killed her, I feel sorry for the morons who are trying to link the Podestas to this. I live in the UK and have closely followed this case since 2007.
the morons here would link anything to the Podestas, as they are all completely fucked in the head. ...the portugese police were right about the Mccanns from the start
Portugal is a pedophile paradise the entire government is corrupt as can be there are hundreds of senior government officials there who have sex with kids it's like Belgium in this regard. The truth will never be known because it will implicate high-level officials in Portugal and in England where we know pedophile rings are very common in high society circles.
There was 24/7 baby sitting available and the time the mccanns were out the sitting was a free service, yet they declined. I'm not going to say what people should or shouldn't do as parents, except: sexually abusing and covering up the death of ones child is above and beyond bad parenting. They're bad parents for the pedophila and baby killing, that's what we should be looking at.
That is the first thing about this I could never figure out. You just don't go out and leave little kids alone. Never. They move fast. You can't predict what kids will do, you have to protect them. You don't know if they'll wake up scared, wander off... a friend's kid used to sleepwalk, she'd actually open the front door in her sleep and come knocking at our door. They had to put a latch on the door high up so she couldn't open it. Leaving little kids alone behind an unlocked door is insane.
A normal parent would either have hired a babysitter for a couple of hours or ordered takeout. Yet the fact they left the kids alone behind an unlocked door was all glossed over and excused. It makes no sense.
Followed tabloids? Are you fucking stupid? I saw David Icke live in a shitty working men's club in 1995... did you? Don't come to me with your newfag BS.
Whatever, Icke is less than 100% trustworthy.
They locked me out of Icke Forum for no reason.
Never had one complaint , never hardly went there.
The mods there block and censor certain opinions.
You would only know that if they did it to you.
I witnessed it. They censored others in my research group.
And seeing how you are going-on here certainly you'd want to throw me off to shut up my opinion, rather than logically explain to me why I am wrong, if you could.
This is before he even had a forum or a website. So no, not just 'um whatever'. I know all about the forum. Previous 13k poster here blocked by Sean adl who now runs 'yournewswire'.
Icke has been right about allot though. He's been saying for 20 odd years that Saville was a pedophile and a necrophiliac and after his death the evidence of his abuse emerged. One of the creepiest things that came out was that people knew he liked to hang around the morgues. A woman said she was warned if a pink haired man was lurking in the corridors (meaning Saville) she should immediately turn back. And now there's more coming out about these BBC guys, including Clement Freud. Freud who had an apartment a few miles from where the Mccans were staying, who according to an anonymous FBI leaker may have known and been friends with the Podestas, and may have even let them stay at the villa during the time of Madeline's disappearance. It wouldn't surprise me. Sigmund Freud was very famous and these rich, famous and powerful families remain connected with others of the same stature, so there's probably a chance that the Podestas and the Freud families are connected. It's also interesting to note that a PR company founded in 1985 by Clement Freud's son Matthew Freud was running the Mccans campaign. Matthew is the great-grandson of Sigmund Freud and has been known to hold parties with numerous well-known people on the guest lists including Hollywood celebrities and other high-profile Americans.
Not saying the Mccans didn't have a part in something though. I just think they didn't realise what they were getting themselves in for. They were fools.
It's quite obvious and the Portuguese police knew, until the highest U.K. Government agents took over the case "for some reason". Never mind the cadaver dog and blood dog, right? I mean, only the FBI uses them, they can't possibly be right.
They were protected by the uk government because they're part of a pedo ring, they killed her.
Except we know what DIDN'T happen and that's that someone abducted her. We know it didn't happen because the McCanns and their friends have repeatedly lied about basic facts and have refused to do a reconstruction, and because the two cadaver dogs that found corpse odor in the apartment and the hired car have a 100% record.
If you don't trust the dogs, then you're throwing out my whole argument. My statement was "the McCanns and their friends have repeatedly lied about basic facts and have refused to do a reconstruction, AND because the two cadaver dogs that found corpse odor in the apartment and the hired car have a 100% record."
It's all the things taken together that have the full force, not the one thing by itself. And I have lots of other evidence I haven't even mentioned yet.
Exactly. I lack faith in all these creeps, including the police and their dogs.
And the Tabloids - though sometimes they come up with truth when other outlets do not;
(mostly because they can get away with it as many lack confidence in their reporting.
so it doesn't matter if they tell the truth sometimes)
If there is more data I defer to you, who has spent much more time than I.
There's 2 parts to your argument here. A and B
A, they were all lying
This doesn't convince me she was killed
B. The dogs.
The dogs could also be another lie.
Does your whole argument hinge on the dog evidence?
Is there more as you say?
I'm open minded.
Taking a cursory look at "Best Evidence" there; and it's less than convincing.
"would have
prompted an outpouring of grief and concern for their child. It would have
10
prompted reactions such as: Who hired the car before us?, or - Is anyone else
known to have died in our apartment or in the hire car? "
The less than shocked reaction could easily be because they know she is alive.
As I see it, someone has a lot of interest in making people believe she is dead.. That .pdf you sent seems to have that object. The points are well - taken, in and of themselves, and I am open - minded. But why such a strong conviction when there should be open - mindness, especially after the Clinton emails surfaced?
The parents are obviously Crisis Actors.. It's a fable made on TV / Tabloids and Fake News , as are so many others.
Parents will always believe a child is alive if a dead body is missing.. that's known by detectives.
The fact they have failed to announce they believe she is dead, speaks more to their authenticity as parents than otherwise.
I find the "dog" story less than plausible. It's smells like human - interest Propaganda.. "The Hero Dog" 100% .
I may check again the "best evidence" as summarized in that .pdf. but so far it's weak.
" To those of us trained to look at form as well as content, the counter-stories also read like a script, or like a transparent effort at mind control"
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Torkimadi ago
Ffs they killed her and hid the body. Are there still people who think she's missing and the parents ars innocent?
samhara ago
No, I think the question is open. They may have sold her.
The parents are definitely crisis actors; likely members of a "Satan" club - as are likely the Sandy Hookers.
The Propaganda of the "Maddy Tabloid Hysteria" has its own Raison d'Etre. It's mind - control / distraction. If you shun that bullshit, then you would know.
hopeforall ago
I think it's likely with the way they reacted. I think they could have joined some sort of satanic cult, the sort the rich and powerful join. I'm not sure they knew entirety what they were in for with these evil people though. I think it's possible their fears were only fully realised when Maddie had gone.
samhara ago
I feel fairly positive they are Crisis Actors; for whatever reason.
Birdzeyeview ago
just drug addled swingers, more likely
Torkimadi ago
I've never read any tabloids about it. The police reports are evidence enough. The changing stories are evidence enough. The family friend who learned about the pedophilia is evidence enough. She was likely used and accidentally died, then it was covered up with the assistance of the UK government: that's suspicious in itself.
samhara ago
Right, the dead friend..That is telling.
If they are sado - pedos, they may or may not kill the kinder right away?
siegnagel ago
Sadly some idiots actually don't blame the McCanns for leaving their twin babies and a three year old in an unlocked apartment building. That's criminal enough. If anyone cares to investigate the Gaspar statement you might find a pedo angle. But Kate killed her, I feel sorry for the morons who are trying to link the Podestas to this. I live in the UK and have closely followed this case since 2007.
Birdzeyeview ago
the morons here would link anything to the Podestas, as they are all completely fucked in the head. ...the portugese police were right about the Mccanns from the start
MattHelm ago
Portugal is a pedophile paradise the entire government is corrupt as can be there are hundreds of senior government officials there who have sex with kids it's like Belgium in this regard. The truth will never be known because it will implicate high-level officials in Portugal and in England where we know pedophile rings are very common in high society circles.
Torkimadi ago
There was 24/7 baby sitting available and the time the mccanns were out the sitting was a free service, yet they declined. I'm not going to say what people should or shouldn't do as parents, except: sexually abusing and covering up the death of ones child is above and beyond bad parenting. They're bad parents for the pedophila and baby killing, that's what we should be looking at.
turitelle ago
That is the first thing about this I could never figure out. You just don't go out and leave little kids alone. Never. They move fast. You can't predict what kids will do, you have to protect them. You don't know if they'll wake up scared, wander off... a friend's kid used to sleepwalk, she'd actually open the front door in her sleep and come knocking at our door. They had to put a latch on the door high up so she couldn't open it. Leaving little kids alone behind an unlocked door is insane.
A normal parent would either have hired a babysitter for a couple of hours or ordered takeout. Yet the fact they left the kids alone behind an unlocked door was all glossed over and excused. It makes no sense.
samhara ago
"I live in the UK and have closely followed this case since 2007."
Rather than speaking for a clear vision of it; the fact you followed the tabloids so assiduously speaks against it.
siegnagel ago
Followed tabloids? Are you fucking stupid? I saw David Icke live in a shitty working men's club in 1995... did you? Don't come to me with your newfag BS.
samhara ago
Whatever, Icke is less than 100% trustworthy. They locked me out of Icke Forum for no reason. Never had one complaint , never hardly went there.
The mods there block and censor certain opinions.
You would only know that if they did it to you.
I witnessed it. They censored others in my research group.
And seeing how you are going-on here certainly you'd want to throw me off to shut up my opinion, rather than logically explain to me why I am wrong, if you could.
siegnagel ago
This is before he even had a forum or a website. So no, not just 'um whatever'. I know all about the forum. Previous 13k poster here blocked by Sean adl who now runs 'yournewswire'.
hopeforall ago
Icke has been right about allot though. He's been saying for 20 odd years that Saville was a pedophile and a necrophiliac and after his death the evidence of his abuse emerged. One of the creepiest things that came out was that people knew he liked to hang around the morgues. A woman said she was warned if a pink haired man was lurking in the corridors (meaning Saville) she should immediately turn back. And now there's more coming out about these BBC guys, including Clement Freud. Freud who had an apartment a few miles from where the Mccans were staying, who according to an anonymous FBI leaker may have known and been friends with the Podestas, and may have even let them stay at the villa during the time of Madeline's disappearance. It wouldn't surprise me. Sigmund Freud was very famous and these rich, famous and powerful families remain connected with others of the same stature, so there's probably a chance that the Podestas and the Freud families are connected. It's also interesting to note that a PR company founded in 1985 by Clement Freud's son Matthew Freud was running the Mccans campaign. Matthew is the great-grandson of Sigmund Freud and has been known to hold parties with numerous well-known people on the guest lists including Hollywood celebrities and other high-profile Americans.
Not saying the Mccans didn't have a part in something though. I just think they didn't realise what they were getting themselves in for. They were fools.
jstrotha0975 ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwo6BzcXUAQloLH.jpg
damnittohell ago
I always say the same thing. "He looks exactly fucking like him."
Exactly what the college kids said in the movie about the boston bombers. "He looks exactly fucking like him."
It's so crazy to me that the sketches come out so close.
pizzaequalspedo ago
Don't pretend you know what happened to her.
Torkimadi ago
It's quite obvious and the Portuguese police knew, until the highest U.K. Government agents took over the case "for some reason". Never mind the cadaver dog and blood dog, right? I mean, only the FBI uses them, they can't possibly be right.
They were protected by the uk government because they're part of a pedo ring, they killed her.
paulf ago
Except we know what DIDN'T happen and that's that someone abducted her. We know it didn't happen because the McCanns and their friends have repeatedly lied about basic facts and have refused to do a reconstruction, and because the two cadaver dogs that found corpse odor in the apartment and the hired car have a 100% record.
What does that leave?
samhara ago
If you don't trust the dogs it leaves that she could still be alive.
The fact the friends and family lied? How does that prove she wasn't abducted? It doesn't.
paulf ago
If you don't trust the dogs, then you're throwing out my whole argument. My statement was "the McCanns and their friends have repeatedly lied about basic facts and have refused to do a reconstruction, AND because the two cadaver dogs that found corpse odor in the apartment and the hired car have a 100% record."
It's all the things taken together that have the full force, not the one thing by itself. And I have lots of other evidence I haven't even mentioned yet.
samhara ago
Exactly. I lack faith in all these creeps, including the police and their dogs. And the Tabloids - though sometimes they come up with truth when other outlets do not;
(mostly because they can get away with it as many lack confidence in their reporting. so it doesn't matter if they tell the truth sometimes)
If there is more data I defer to you, who has spent much more time than I.
There's 2 parts to your argument here. A and B
A, they were all lying
This doesn't convince me she was killed
B. The dogs.
The dogs could also be another lie.
Does your whole argument hinge on the dog evidence? Is there more as you say? I'm open minded.
paulf ago
Here is a good place to start.
samhara ago
I don't click on links. So you can post the full url , if you will.
paulf ago
Sure. It's: https://idraintheswamp.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/madeleine-foundation-bookx.pdf
samhara ago
Taking a cursory look at "Best Evidence" there; and it's less than convincing.
"would have prompted an outpouring of grief and concern for their child. It would have 10 prompted reactions such as: Who hired the car before us?, or - Is anyone else known to have died in our apartment or in the hire car? "
The less than shocked reaction could easily be because they know she is alive.
As I see it, someone has a lot of interest in making people believe she is dead.. That .pdf you sent seems to have that object. The points are well - taken, in and of themselves, and I am open - minded. But why such a strong conviction when there should be open - mindness, especially after the Clinton emails surfaced?
The parents are obviously Crisis Actors.. It's a fable made on TV / Tabloids and Fake News , as are so many others.
Parents will always believe a child is alive if a dead body is missing.. that's known by detectives.
The fact they have failed to announce they believe she is dead, speaks more to their authenticity as parents than otherwise.
I find the "dog" story less than plausible. It's smells like human - interest Propaganda.. "The Hero Dog" 100% .
I may check again the "best evidence" as summarized in that .pdf. but so far it's weak.
" To those of us trained to look at form as well as content, the counter-stories also read like a script, or like a transparent effort at mind control"
samhara ago
thank you.