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paulf ago

Sure, we should listen to everyone but blindly follow no-one. But you've made a lot of blanket statements in here which don't really hold up to close scrutiny.

with snowden, he's suspected of being a 'limited hangout.' evidence includes not leaking anything we didn't already know,

Nonsense. The Snowden revelations were an absolute bombshell and deeply embarrassed the NSA. The real problem is only a few thousand documents have been released out of a promised hundreds of thousands.

receiving MSM coverage (huge red flag),

Not really a red flag at all. Detailed leaks on how the NSA spies on the world's communications was newsworthy.

becoming a media darling, easy escape/lifestyle, talks like Obama, nothing the leaks contained changed corruption, the leaks were harmful to America's enemies, announcing 'leak dates' like it is some news press release,

Easy escape? It was a famously difficult escape. Talks like Obama? What does that even mean?

etc. same goes for Assange.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but Assange has been holed up in a foreign embassy in London for six years because of Wikileaks. Wikileaks has a 100% accuracy record in over ten years of leaking, something no other media organisation on the planet can claim. Indeed, Pizzagate would not EXIST without Wikileaks and none of us would be here.

oh, and Assange says 9/11 conspiracy is fake.

Source please.

then it explains how they didn't expect some 4chan super autists to spot only handfuls of code words in what were otherwise thousands of mundane e-mails with a few containing dirt on Hillary.

The initial work was done on reddit. I was there.

oh, and trump looks shady at best too.

One of the most powerful and corrupt people in the world for fifty years now - Henry Kissinger - says, and I quote, 'Trump has no baggage.' The Big Three agencies - the CIA, the Mossad and GHCQ - have been trying for 18 months to find any dirt on him. All they have managed is some obvious fan fiction from 4chan (Pissgate) and some locker room banter from 11 years ago. If they had one single thing on Trump they would have leaked it by now and he would have lost the election.

It is very very difficult to really know what's going on behind the scenes in a situation like this. Personally, I think it's quite likely that Snowden was a pawn used by the CIA to discredit the NSA in the inter-agency wars that have been going on for some time now. I also know that I'm unlikely to agree with anyone on absolutely everything: maybe the other party is more informed than I, maybe I'm the one with more information and the valid theory.

GiantMillipino ago

also, you don't need to say 'and I quote;' this isn't oral communication—we can all see the quotation marks in your text.