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paulf ago

Sure, we should listen to everyone but blindly follow no-one. But you've made a lot of blanket statements in here which don't really hold up to close scrutiny.

with snowden, he's suspected of being a 'limited hangout.' evidence includes not leaking anything we didn't already know,

Nonsense. The Snowden revelations were an absolute bombshell and deeply embarrassed the NSA. The real problem is only a few thousand documents have been released out of a promised hundreds of thousands.

receiving MSM coverage (huge red flag),

Not really a red flag at all. Detailed leaks on how the NSA spies on the world's communications was newsworthy.

becoming a media darling, easy escape/lifestyle, talks like Obama, nothing the leaks contained changed corruption, the leaks were harmful to America's enemies, announcing 'leak dates' like it is some news press release,

Easy escape? It was a famously difficult escape. Talks like Obama? What does that even mean?

etc. same goes for Assange.

I'm not sure if you've noticed but Assange has been holed up in a foreign embassy in London for six years because of Wikileaks. Wikileaks has a 100% accuracy record in over ten years of leaking, something no other media organisation on the planet can claim. Indeed, Pizzagate would not EXIST without Wikileaks and none of us would be here.

oh, and Assange says 9/11 conspiracy is fake.

Source please.

then it explains how they didn't expect some 4chan super autists to spot only handfuls of code words in what were otherwise thousands of mundane e-mails with a few containing dirt on Hillary.

The initial work was done on reddit. I was there.

oh, and trump looks shady at best too.

One of the most powerful and corrupt people in the world for fifty years now - Henry Kissinger - says, and I quote, 'Trump has no baggage.' The Big Three agencies - the CIA, the Mossad and GHCQ - have been trying for 18 months to find any dirt on him. All they have managed is some obvious fan fiction from 4chan (Pissgate) and some locker room banter from 11 years ago. If they had one single thing on Trump they would have leaked it by now and he would have lost the election.

It is very very difficult to really know what's going on behind the scenes in a situation like this. Personally, I think it's quite likely that Snowden was a pawn used by the CIA to discredit the NSA in the inter-agency wars that have been going on for some time now. I also know that I'm unlikely to agree with anyone on absolutely everything: maybe the other party is more informed than I, maybe I'm the one with more information and the valid theory.

GiantMillipino ago

also, you don't need to say 'and I quote;' this isn't oral communication—we can all see the quotation marks in your text.

GiantMillipino ago

you say we would be 'blind' if not for following the cointelpro. have you no faith in your own senses, intuition, and discernment?

how was snowden confirming something everyone knew a 'bombshell'?? where is the new info on JFK, 9/11? hmm? the problem you acknowledge is suspicious as well. it was 'newsworthy'? why wasn't pizzagate considered 'newsworthy'? why does the whole world adore snowden while he's living it up with his stripper girlfriend in Russia, while heroes like Chelsea manning get 35 years and are completely unknown to people like my mother? you seem to have much faith in the mainstream media. also, snowden speaks the same lawyer way Obama does, if that wasn't already obvious. did you even read the article included?

I'm not sure if you've noticed but Assange has been holed up in a foreign embassy in London for six years because of Wikileaks. Wikileaks has a 100% accuracy record in over ten years of leaking, something no other media organisation on the planet can claim. Indeed, Pizzagate would not EXIST without Wikileaks and none of us would be here.

you don't really know where he is or how he lives. did you even read my rational toward the end? WikiLeaks is 100% accurate giving WEAK INFO. pizzagate was completely unintended. they were hyping up Hillary's crimes the whole year and what they got were decoders who uncovered evidence of pedophilia. read some other great comments to inform yourself. here is your requested source: (V____Z's comment on this very page) https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1834651/8982674

it began on 4chan: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pizzagate

regarding trump:

If they had one single thing on Trump they would have leaked it by now and he would have lost the election.

you still have faith in your country's political process. you have my condolences.

of course it's difficult, and you're making it more difficult for yourself.

maybe the other party is more informed than I, maybe I'm the one with more information and the valid theory.

you make it seem like it's a toss-up; anyone could be right. of course, nothing is certain—but you've shown yourself to be less reliable than you really could be. my advice to you is to get real and step it up.

GiantMillipino ago

your entire message is almost completely erroneous.