https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QK97xR6ZDl0
I can't summarize this video. It's just unbelievable. Hollywood is worse than I thought, and I already thought it was pure evil.
Can someone explain why Bob Saget offered his new born to be "fingered" for a dollar? Then joked and said it should have been $5?
A lot of posts here have noted the push towards normalization of pedophilia. Add this to the pile.
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Lonesome_Pizza ago
How can an atheist justify that pedophilia is objectively wrong, if we are just random stardust raping another form of random stardust?
equineluvr ago
Oh puhleez. No particular religious group has a monopoly on virtues and morals.
mudbear ago
Not what he was saying. Theists have a blunt doctrine that explicitly states what is moral and what is not, the standard is set against their deity, whether right or wrong their moral point of view is objective and applies to all, whereas there is no central form of morality in atheism, morality is subjective, which means anything goes, if i believe raping kids is a OK, then who are you to say otherwise? (I dont btw). This is a philosophical problem that arises with atheism, and this is going to be the argument moving forward that will be pushed to normalize pedophillia, mark my words.
3141592653 ago
I don't think there's a link between atheism and acceptance of pedophilia. Some of the worst offenders have been the Catholic church and other organized religious institutions
mudbear ago
It is important to understand why that is the case. My view on this is that priests dont become pedophiles but rather pedophiles become priests. Priests are highly trusted members of their communities with a lot of respect and authority, they also generally have access to children, this position would make a perfect cover for a child molester. Also there is a tradition in catholic comunities where if the parents suspected their child of any perversions they would force them to become priests, hoping that a religious lifestyle would cure them.
I wasnt trying to state that atheism supports pedophillia and that atheists are the ones promoting it, but rather moral subjectivists would, and atheism tends to support subjectivism more than objectivism which religions tend to support.
Not saying atheism or theism is better than the other, this is more an argument about subjectivism (morality is decided by me and only applies to me) and objectivism (morality is universal and applies to all), subjective morality allows pedophillia, while objective morality doesnt.
3141592653 ago
I hear where you're coming from, for sure
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Yeah. It's a fallacious argument in itself, but that doesn't mean people won't buy it, hook line and sinker. And they are already. :(
mudbear ago
Agreed, moral subjectivists can justify whatever they want and slither out of any moral responsibility, i consider it disgusting but to them they just dont care. The culture we live in in the west abhors responsibility, moral subjectivism therefore is extremely appealing to self interested thinkers. If a moral subjectivist culture becomes the majority, then it will be difficult to actually combat this.
Therefore, i think it is important to come up with an atheistic form of moral absolutism, its easy for theists, but atheists tend to be religiously opposed to anything theists support, including objective morality.
I guess the only real takeaway from what im trying to say is that atheists need to come up with an argument to oppose subjectivist morality to ensure they have a chance to combat pedophillia.
Lonesome_Pizza ago
What gives the atheist the justification to call anything good or bad, if we are just random stardust? If there is no God, then any evil act is permissible.
equineluvr ago
Some "atheists" know how harmful it is to hurt others and don't wish to be responsible for that. You can call it "karma" (though they do not) if you wish.
Furthermore, what difference does it really make at the end of the day when Christians and practitioners of other religions are committing some of the same sick acts? The murder victim of a Christian is not any LESS DEAD than the murder victim of an atheist.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Nobody with any sense in their brain would say it's ok for Christians to murder and not ok for atheists. If it's wrong, it's wrong. So, when say the Catholic Church was practicing widespread mass murder in the name of God during the Inquisition, that was wrong.
Anyone can do something wrong and lie and say they are doing it for the right reasons. That doesn't mean that all people within the same belief system are the same and it's silly to paint them all with the same brush. It's the same as saying all Muslims are terrorists, when it is obvious they are not.
BlowjaySimpson ago
And because you mistakenly believe in god, you are then justified in telling anyone else what to do? If I don't want evil acts done to me, I have a humanist obligation to not do them. Imaginary gods have nothing to do with that.
eucalyptus_spearmint ago
Not sure who you are to tell me that it's a mistake. I'll be the one to decide if my choice to place faith in God was a mistake, thankyouverymuch.
And I'm every bit as justified in telling someone what to do as you are with your "humanist" perspective.
BlowjaySimpson ago