Pizzagate from a journalistic point of view - new subverse (pizzagate)

submitted ago by anonOpenPress

I just started a new subverse - welcome to vote me down. But don't worry, I'm not leaving our investigations here - this has another focus on spreading the global awareness and maybe one day, forcing the main stream media along.

I also put this up to be able to use another perspective, including corruption and money laundering not directly related to pizzagate. After reading a great six years old U.N. report (pdf) (which is directly related to pizzagate, mentioning trafficking, sexual abuse and even organ harvesting of children) and the recommendations there, I noticed they doesn't all quite fit under the rules here.

With the new perspective, pizzagatejournalism enables collaborative efforts to find some indicators of trafficking from the media, corruption being one. Then, putting the corruption side by side with trafficking, reporting the findings to the open press, global awareness.

If you have any media criticism in your list of skills, maybe you might want to help.

The new subverse is also strict in rules, but in a different way. Some rules are pretty narrow, especially the ones inside the sticky post, some are bit softer like for example on link sharing.

I'd also like to collaborate with the mods here so that these subverses could support each other, not doing the same work twice but to expand the arena and have two different perspectives. Dealing with something as huge as the 3rd most profitable crime in the world requires collaboration, planning, specializing etc. all kinds of stuff, and all of us. pizzagatejournalism main goal is on spreading the awareness, not in investigating like here - but hopefully it's useful for investigators as well one day, that way supporting this subverse. Let's see, take a peek: /v/pizzagatejournalism/

HereticalPeasant ago

This is awesome. I want to join.

evademoney2 ago

Silsby and brian podesta at ncmec are all close associates of clinton/alefantis/podestas. is documented heavily with facts/convictions/clintons step ins/ george webb finds the awan brothers in doh and congress pakastani intel to facilitate the rat lines(traffic Routes) nation wide/worldwide/ US Intel unmatched at this point. Thats enough for me and always has been. the longer this goes on without authorities attacking these issues viciously, the longer they have to remove evidence. Complete MSM Blackout On These Tpics. I dont need to mention AJ,Cernovich or seamen or anyone else. The nbc msm report of hrc covering up state dept.

rooting4redpillers ago

I support this 100%. I've read everything so far on your new subverse, and will read it again tomorrow. I have no journalistic skill, and I recognize that personal limitation. So, I'll be watching and waiting for a while before commenting there, until I get the gist of what info fits and follows the rules, and what doesn't. I hope everyone will pay attention to those rules, and that WE ALL will be vigilant, and ultimately successful at keeping things organized there.

If this works for the (huge, wide) topic, TRAFFICKING, using sub-categories, maybe it could serve as a future model/template for new, specific subverses on non-journalistic-based discussion on very specific topics. Like THIS commendable effort, that has slipped away. The Tiny Skeletons are Falling out of the Closet (pizzagate) | submitted 1 month ago by @ThrowawayAccount123.

I have a few questions, about using existing v/pizzagate subs in this new subverse - using two examples, both about art, but hopefully they'll apply to other interests:

1) - Would a Art Purchase as Cover for Sex Trafficking (pizzagate) | submitted 2 months ago by @SturdyGal.

Q1) Would this sub be appropriate to add to /v/pizzagatejournalism, as it stands, under "M2 Money Laundering?" And if so, is it only appropriate because it references/links to news articles?

And

2) ART? Maria Marshall uses her 2 young sons as her 'artwork' (pizzagate) | submitted 25 days ago by @TrishaUK.

Q2) I made a comment on that sub, noting Maria Marshall's President Bill Clinton was purchased by Bill and Ruth True, citing/linking a few media articles, with factual info about the Trues, that seemed to ME, related to money laundering, but not suggested as such, in those linked news articles. If my "suspicions" are backed up, in my own mind, by the linked news articles, but not IN those articles, is this info legit for commenting on v/pizzagatejournalism/?

Then, this last small question: If existing v/Pizzagate submissions fit the rules, should direct links to those subs just be commented in the appropriate category - the linked title of the sub (if it's descriptive) being sufficient on it's own, as the comment, or should a description be added?

I hope my questions aren't annoying, tedious... that I'm missing something that should have already given me the answers. I really want this to work, and to provide much-needed organization, here on anything voat - pizzagate.

anonOpenPress ago

q1 quite potentially, q2 not in this form. I'd like you to post both q1 and q2 as a new discussion there, as they both include laundering related claims on persons related to pizzagate, so they only require some basic fact checking. Discussions in the sub are a great place for fact checking, and I'm happy to help on that.

rwb ago

To get any traffic, I think you're going to need a subverse link under Pizzagate Subverse Network on the right side of the page, otherwise your sub will probably drift off into oblivion. I would lobby hard with PG mods for a listing there along with /v/Askpizzagate, /v/pizzagatewhatever, etc.

anonOpenPress ago

Discussions in that sub are also for fact checking, at least that would benefit users here as well. @Vindicator suggestion:

/v/PizzagateJournalism - for help in fact checking

rooting4redpillers ago

I'll lobby for that.

ispsale ago

You bullshitted your name

VieBleu ago

upvoted. Thanks looking forward to a fresh perspective.

ispsale ago

Can you present your best evidence please?

VieBleu ago

you know what, I was going to ignore you, but you are being civil - more civil than wecanhelp who is actually a charmless vinegar spitting mod here, so why not, I'll give you an answer at least. I'm not going to try to prove some intricate and entire case to you, but if you'd like I'll give you a link to an article from 2004 that opened my mind to this problem long before recent events. https://archive.is/f8j1R This is the journalist who wrote the screenplay Kill The Messenger about Gary Webb's investigation into CIA drug running. The elite "blackmail" element is missing in this particular article, for reasons of personal safety I would assume. (Find an article detailing Epstein's operation if you want details on that, but I presume you are familiar.)

Your real problem isn't slobs like us that only pass along what these guys sweat blood to uncover - your problem is that there are always going to be a high order of truth finders and truth speakers - like Hastings, Greenwald, Snowdon, Webb, Taibbi, Landesman and others.

And even if you could stomp out every last one, the truth will still reform itself in the mouth of a new brilliant mind, and carry forward. You'd be better off studying the I Ching than wasting your time with us. You are too stubborn to "learn" anything here, but the I Ching - and the element of constant change - is relentless. Start thinking about going with the flow, because the pyramid is flipping.

ispsale ago

You were always my favourite

VieBleu ago

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'm an aquired taste, somewhat bitter and quite piquant, that usually takes more than your two hours to appreciate.

coreylkh ago

Alright, give me some time to navigate. I've never sourced, linked or whatever....need to do Cliff's notes on subverse. Actually, on anything Voat. TBC.

ispsale ago

I'll wait for you

ispsale ago

I'm here for you. show the evidence

coreylkh ago

Geez! Peremptory.....show your refute. I think the evidence has already been shown.

anonOpenPress ago

Seems nothing's enough. Think about those kids. I'm out.

rooting4redpillers ago

I hope you just mean "out" for this one.

anonOpenPress ago

I'd like you to find a reliable news post on high profile corruption, maybe related to border patrol, logistics, catastrophy areas, and post it to the new subverse. We're here to help each other.

Maybe Jeffrey Epstein would be a piece you're looking for - very high profile, very convicted pedophile. I'm looking for a wider perspective and spreading the awareness. Comments here are meaningless for that. I hope I got you convinced anyway, all the best.

anonOpenPress ago

That's an indicator, which is strong enough evidence to point that the problem exists in a high level, which is strong enough pointer to demand a case. But the first thing to do is push the awareness. This way the public demand will be higher, forcing the case. Before awareness, the hideout and crimes continues even that some people know about that.

The media is full of more indicators, which should be found and made global. Corruption is one of the keys to open this all up.

anonOpenPress ago

Sure. Trafficking children in such large scale it's currently happening would be impossible without high profile corruption involved. This is my evidence #1. You're welcome to join helping those kids, but not welcome to shill. Think about your true feelings.

PizzagateBot ago

Hi! I used Google to find related Voat posts using the URL(s) in your post and created the following link(s):

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www.unodc.org/documents/human-trafficking/2011/Issue_Paper_-_The_Role_of_Corruption_in_Trafficking_in_Persons.pdf Enough of proof from high enough level? 4/10/2017 OP