I think you are operating under a misconception about the purpose of the submission guidelines, Voat's censorship policies, and mods intentions.
First of all as you probably know, removing posts that fail to satisfy submission guidelines is not censorship, according to the the Voat User Agreement:
Can I submit links to any subverse I want?
Each subverse has its own rules which are usually stated in the respective subverse's sidebar. If you ignore said rules, your account may be banned from submitting further content to the subverse or in some cases, globally.
Secondly, our submission guidelines were established early on by the community in order to focus content on v/pizzagate on RESEARCH posts, for the purpose of advancing the investigation and caching the information that could actually be helpful to law enforcement and media in bringing elite pedo scum to justice. To that end, we created submission guidelines, and several sister-subverses for non-research but still-important posts:
You can't just slap a few links into a post and claim you have satisfied the submission guidelines. You actually have to fully satisfy them all such that you have created a RESEARCH post that provides linked sources backing up every claim. Linking to a source that offers no actual evidence itself does not satisfy Rule 2. That is, I can't just send out a tweet giving my opinion that John Podesta is the guy in this video, and then link to that tweet as a source. Without some kind of link showing actual evidence this is JP, it's never going to be anything more than speculative. If you put a title on it claiming it is John Podesta, it's going to be removed for Rule 1 or 2. It belongs in our speculative sub.
Finally, there is no proof this video is connected to elite pedophiles at all. v/Pizzagate defines "pizzagate" as having to do with sexual abuse of kids by the GLOBAL ELITE, not the four pedos that live in your neighborhood and work at your local McDonalds.
Without submission guidelines, mods would not be able to remove anything but adspam from this board, and truly valuable research posts, such as this one, would be slid from the board by Share Blue spam. Take a look at the Hentai spam carpet bombing attack we had last night. That 9217 post came in right in the middle of it and still has received little attention, even though it is part of a research effort that is going to break open a real, elitist New Age pedophile ring.
And speaking of disruption by shills; if you really care about it, why are you constantly playing into their "mods are compromised" "Voat is a limited hangout" narrative by trashing mods for doing their jobs and removing posts that don't fulfill the mission of the board? Your energies would be much better directed toward downvoating the shill posts, helping other users understand the submission guidelines and how to make posts that comply with them, and upvoating great contributions. Seriously...what the hell?
You could also be commenting in research post threads linking people to interesting speculative threads in v/pizzagatewhatever that you feel deserve more attention. This serves two purposes: it gets people to sign up for and visit that sub, and it causes great research threads to rise in "HOT" and gain more visibility.
And yet, you come and bitch and moan and echo the shills and dump a bunch of negative, toxic bullshit into the community discussion. If you really care about the kids, you need to knock this shit off.
Please, by all means, keep an eye on removed submissions. Sometimes we do remove legit posts -- usually because the user has not spelled out how something is pizzagate related. We don't know or see every connection, and many users assume the connection is obvious. When you find one, please ping the mod who removed and let them know why you think it was a mistake. If it was a mistake, we WILL apologize and ask the user to repost. There are also sometimes research posts that get put in v/pizzagatewhatever and never seen -- ping us about those, too, so we can invite the user to post on the research board and give them any tips they need to satisfy the submission guidelines.
What I hear you saying in your comments here is that if we haven't officially proven that this is Podesta, we have to post a submission like this in v/pizzagatewhatever. You admit you personally don't believe these are real, but a trap by anti-pizzagaters. If i'm not mistaken, you also hold the belief that Ted Gunderson was not legit. IMO mods here should not be acting as judge, and censoring (unless, for instance, you can conclusively prove this is a hoax video and therefore damaging to v/pizzagate).
Usually, as with George Webb videos, you allow posts that have no conclusive proof of claims within.
Anyway, thanks for leaving this up. The type of proof you say you require is exactly what we would get from an FBI investigation - the point of this submission. How else do we get proof?
The best comparison was the one where a guy took the audio from "you think you're hot shit don't ya" and compared that with a video of Podesta saying "just get lost" trying to shoo away a reporter. The voices are eerily similar.
ted was cointelpro.
you could compare him to a modern day kevin annett....
some george webb shit is good i havent watched sincee like day 69 but the initial stuff was pretty good.
also, i honestly wanted this clip to be podesta so bad and still do but honestly it doesnt sound lie him to me
I'm not sure what your credentials are to weigh these things, but Ted was murdered slowly via arsenic poisoning. Cointelpro are people like Alex Jones, and they don't get murdered by the government because they work for them. Make sense? Ted is quoted by the leading researchers of pizzagate, he is mentioned in pretty much every major doc on the subject. There have been no credible sources questioning his legitimacy, and he has been a backbone for our research, so it gives me pause when admins claim he is discredited. The only person online who has questioned Ted, and who is behind the attacks ,on his character (now that he's not here) is himself discredited. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Stew-Webb-Lies-About-Ted-Gunderson-and-the-Art-Bell-Lawsuit04apr16.shtml
my credentials are garbage. i initially trusted him and then read more than one thing about him not being good similar stuff id seen to kevin annett. upon further investigation the 2nd thing i read was basically verbatim to the first thing i read............... the irony of me being disproved by the website i based my name off of is.....palpable? lol thanks ive been enjoying your stuff lately all of it. see this verbatim of the educate yourself thing which i obviously didnt remember all too clearly in the first place
http://barbarahartwell.blogspot.ca/2009/12/ex-fbi-agent-ted-gunderson-exposed.html
anywhooo thanks
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Vindicator ago
@jstayz44, @V____Z, @dickface8, @cakeoflightylight:
I think you are operating under a misconception about the purpose of the submission guidelines, Voat's censorship policies, and mods intentions.
First of all as you probably know, removing posts that fail to satisfy submission guidelines is not censorship, according to the the Voat User Agreement:
Secondly, our submission guidelines were established early on by the community in order to focus content on v/pizzagate on RESEARCH posts, for the purpose of advancing the investigation and caching the information that could actually be helpful to law enforcement and media in bringing elite pedo scum to justice. To that end, we created submission guidelines, and several sister-subverses for non-research but still-important posts:
You can't just slap a few links into a post and claim you have satisfied the submission guidelines. You actually have to fully satisfy them all such that you have created a RESEARCH post that provides linked sources backing up every claim. Linking to a source that offers no actual evidence itself does not satisfy Rule 2. That is, I can't just send out a tweet giving my opinion that John Podesta is the guy in this video, and then link to that tweet as a source. Without some kind of link showing actual evidence this is JP, it's never going to be anything more than speculative. If you put a title on it claiming it is John Podesta, it's going to be removed for Rule 1 or 2. It belongs in our speculative sub.
Finally, there is no proof this video is connected to elite pedophiles at all. v/Pizzagate defines "pizzagate" as having to do with sexual abuse of kids by the GLOBAL ELITE, not the four pedos that live in your neighborhood and work at your local McDonalds.
Mods did not choose these rules, they were developed by the whole community through a series of stickies over several weeks, in an effort led by @Kevdude and @Crensch of v/ProtectVoat.
Without submission guidelines, mods would not be able to remove anything but adspam from this board, and truly valuable research posts, such as this one, would be slid from the board by Share Blue spam. Take a look at the Hentai spam carpet bombing attack we had last night. That 9217 post came in right in the middle of it and still has received little attention, even though it is part of a research effort that is going to break open a real, elitist New Age pedophile ring.
And speaking of disruption by shills; if you really care about it, why are you constantly playing into their "mods are compromised" "Voat is a limited hangout" narrative by trashing mods for doing their jobs and removing posts that don't fulfill the mission of the board? Your energies would be much better directed toward downvoating the shill posts, helping other users understand the submission guidelines and how to make posts that comply with them, and upvoating great contributions. Seriously...what the hell?
You could also be commenting in research post threads linking people to interesting speculative threads in v/pizzagatewhatever that you feel deserve more attention. This serves two purposes: it gets people to sign up for and visit that sub, and it causes great research threads to rise in "HOT" and gain more visibility.
And yet, you come and bitch and moan and echo the shills and dump a bunch of negative, toxic bullshit into the community discussion. If you really care about the kids, you need to knock this shit off.
Please, by all means, keep an eye on removed submissions. Sometimes we do remove legit posts -- usually because the user has not spelled out how something is pizzagate related. We don't know or see every connection, and many users assume the connection is obvious. When you find one, please ping the mod who removed and let them know why you think it was a mistake. If it was a mistake, we WILL apologize and ask the user to repost. There are also sometimes research posts that get put in v/pizzagatewhatever and never seen -- ping us about those, too, so we can invite the user to post on the research board and give them any tips they need to satisfy the submission guidelines.
V____Z ago
What I hear you saying in your comments here is that if we haven't officially proven that this is Podesta, we have to post a submission like this in v/pizzagatewhatever. You admit you personally don't believe these are real, but a trap by anti-pizzagaters. If i'm not mistaken, you also hold the belief that Ted Gunderson was not legit. IMO mods here should not be acting as judge, and censoring (unless, for instance, you can conclusively prove this is a hoax video and therefore damaging to v/pizzagate).
Usually, as with George Webb videos, you allow posts that have no conclusive proof of claims within.
Anyway, thanks for leaving this up. The type of proof you say you require is exactly what we would get from an FBI investigation - the point of this submission. How else do we get proof?
I mean, there's this, from @Orlando_Kek_Follower
educate_yourself ago
ted was cointelpro. you could compare him to a modern day kevin annett.... some george webb shit is good i havent watched sincee like day 69 but the initial stuff was pretty good. also, i honestly wanted this clip to be podesta so bad and still do but honestly it doesnt sound lie him to me
V____Z ago
I'm not sure what your credentials are to weigh these things, but Ted was murdered slowly via arsenic poisoning. Cointelpro are people like Alex Jones, and they don't get murdered by the government because they work for them. Make sense? Ted is quoted by the leading researchers of pizzagate, he is mentioned in pretty much every major doc on the subject. There have been no credible sources questioning his legitimacy, and he has been a backbone for our research, so it gives me pause when admins claim he is discredited. The only person online who has questioned Ted, and who is behind the attacks ,on his character (now that he's not here) is himself discredited. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Stew-Webb-Lies-About-Ted-Gunderson-and-the-Art-Bell-Lawsuit04apr16.shtml
educate_yourself ago
my credentials are garbage. i initially trusted him and then read more than one thing about him not being good similar stuff id seen to kevin annett. upon further investigation the 2nd thing i read was basically verbatim to the first thing i read............... the irony of me being disproved by the website i based my name off of is.....palpable? lol thanks ive been enjoying your stuff lately all of it. see this verbatim of the educate yourself thing which i obviously didnt remember all too clearly in the first place http://barbarahartwell.blogspot.ca/2009/12/ex-fbi-agent-ted-gunderson-exposed.html anywhooo thanks