I think you are operating under a misconception about the purpose of the submission guidelines, Voat's censorship policies, and mods intentions.
First of all as you probably know, removing posts that fail to satisfy submission guidelines is not censorship, according to the the Voat User Agreement:
Can I submit links to any subverse I want?
Each subverse has its own rules which are usually stated in the respective subverse's sidebar. If you ignore said rules, your account may be banned from submitting further content to the subverse or in some cases, globally.
Secondly, our submission guidelines were established early on by the community in order to focus content on v/pizzagate on RESEARCH posts, for the purpose of advancing the investigation and caching the information that could actually be helpful to law enforcement and media in bringing elite pedo scum to justice. To that end, we created submission guidelines, and several sister-subverses for non-research but still-important posts:
You can't just slap a few links into a post and claim you have satisfied the submission guidelines. You actually have to fully satisfy them all such that you have created a RESEARCH post that provides linked sources backing up every claim. Linking to a source that offers no actual evidence itself does not satisfy Rule 2. That is, I can't just send out a tweet giving my opinion that John Podesta is the guy in this video, and then link to that tweet as a source. Without some kind of link showing actual evidence this is JP, it's never going to be anything more than speculative. If you put a title on it claiming it is John Podesta, it's going to be removed for Rule 1 or 2. It belongs in our speculative sub.
Finally, there is no proof this video is connected to elite pedophiles at all. v/Pizzagate defines "pizzagate" as having to do with sexual abuse of kids by the GLOBAL ELITE, not the four pedos that live in your neighborhood and work at your local McDonalds.
Without submission guidelines, mods would not be able to remove anything but adspam from this board, and truly valuable research posts, such as this one, would be slid from the board by Share Blue spam. Take a look at the Hentai spam carpet bombing attack we had last night. That 9217 post came in right in the middle of it and still has received little attention, even though it is part of a research effort that is going to break open a real, elitist New Age pedophile ring.
And speaking of disruption by shills; if you really care about it, why are you constantly playing into their "mods are compromised" "Voat is a limited hangout" narrative by trashing mods for doing their jobs and removing posts that don't fulfill the mission of the board? Your energies would be much better directed toward downvoating the shill posts, helping other users understand the submission guidelines and how to make posts that comply with them, and upvoating great contributions. Seriously...what the hell?
You could also be commenting in research post threads linking people to interesting speculative threads in v/pizzagatewhatever that you feel deserve more attention. This serves two purposes: it gets people to sign up for and visit that sub, and it causes great research threads to rise in "HOT" and gain more visibility.
And yet, you come and bitch and moan and echo the shills and dump a bunch of negative, toxic bullshit into the community discussion. If you really care about the kids, you need to knock this shit off.
Please, by all means, keep an eye on removed submissions. Sometimes we do remove legit posts -- usually because the user has not spelled out how something is pizzagate related. We don't know or see every connection, and many users assume the connection is obvious. When you find one, please ping the mod who removed and let them know why you think it was a mistake. If it was a mistake, we WILL apologize and ask the user to repost. There are also sometimes research posts that get put in v/pizzagatewhatever and never seen -- ping us about those, too, so we can invite the user to post on the research board and give them any tips they need to satisfy the submission guidelines.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. The only issue I have is that I don't see how the video very possibly depicting Podesta torturing a kid at CPP isn't "pizzagate related". That just does not compute. "Without some kind of link showing actual evidence this is JP, this is nothing more than speculative", well isn't most of what's discussed here technically speculative? Are you saying that unless we get Podestas face on camera in that video then it has no place her because it's only "speculative"?
These videos need to go in v/pizzagatewhatever, unless someone can provide COMPELLING evidence -- of the sort that would induce law enforcement to investigate him for it -- that it actually is JP. That's the deal. You are WELCOME to discuss this and link to it in comments of any thread on v/pizzagate. Speculation is perfectly legit in comments. I would recommend this thread, which includes it as part of a larger topic, without making unprovable claims in the headline.
I should also point out that enemies of PG are very likely pushing these highly triggering videos to agitate PG investigators and incite them to make public defamatory claims about Podesta that his lawyers can then go after them for. This was the tactic Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer Derschowitz used to deflect victim lawsuits and suppress the criminal prosecution. That's their MO.
Just out of curiosity, don't you think this could very likely be Podesta in the video? As I said to someone before, how many MK Ultra type child torture videos could possibly be out there with a person that sounds almost identical to Podesta (minus the slight accent), has the same lighting as CPP, and even gets called John and possibly "Skippy" too. What are the odds? Exremely slim I'd say.
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Vindicator ago
@jstayz44, @V____Z, @dickface8, @cakeoflightylight:
I think you are operating under a misconception about the purpose of the submission guidelines, Voat's censorship policies, and mods intentions.
First of all as you probably know, removing posts that fail to satisfy submission guidelines is not censorship, according to the the Voat User Agreement:
Secondly, our submission guidelines were established early on by the community in order to focus content on v/pizzagate on RESEARCH posts, for the purpose of advancing the investigation and caching the information that could actually be helpful to law enforcement and media in bringing elite pedo scum to justice. To that end, we created submission guidelines, and several sister-subverses for non-research but still-important posts:
You can't just slap a few links into a post and claim you have satisfied the submission guidelines. You actually have to fully satisfy them all such that you have created a RESEARCH post that provides linked sources backing up every claim. Linking to a source that offers no actual evidence itself does not satisfy Rule 2. That is, I can't just send out a tweet giving my opinion that John Podesta is the guy in this video, and then link to that tweet as a source. Without some kind of link showing actual evidence this is JP, it's never going to be anything more than speculative. If you put a title on it claiming it is John Podesta, it's going to be removed for Rule 1 or 2. It belongs in our speculative sub.
Finally, there is no proof this video is connected to elite pedophiles at all. v/Pizzagate defines "pizzagate" as having to do with sexual abuse of kids by the GLOBAL ELITE, not the four pedos that live in your neighborhood and work at your local McDonalds.
Mods did not choose these rules, they were developed by the whole community through a series of stickies over several weeks, in an effort led by @Kevdude and @Crensch of v/ProtectVoat.
Without submission guidelines, mods would not be able to remove anything but adspam from this board, and truly valuable research posts, such as this one, would be slid from the board by Share Blue spam. Take a look at the Hentai spam carpet bombing attack we had last night. That 9217 post came in right in the middle of it and still has received little attention, even though it is part of a research effort that is going to break open a real, elitist New Age pedophile ring.
And speaking of disruption by shills; if you really care about it, why are you constantly playing into their "mods are compromised" "Voat is a limited hangout" narrative by trashing mods for doing their jobs and removing posts that don't fulfill the mission of the board? Your energies would be much better directed toward downvoating the shill posts, helping other users understand the submission guidelines and how to make posts that comply with them, and upvoating great contributions. Seriously...what the hell?
You could also be commenting in research post threads linking people to interesting speculative threads in v/pizzagatewhatever that you feel deserve more attention. This serves two purposes: it gets people to sign up for and visit that sub, and it causes great research threads to rise in "HOT" and gain more visibility.
And yet, you come and bitch and moan and echo the shills and dump a bunch of negative, toxic bullshit into the community discussion. If you really care about the kids, you need to knock this shit off.
Please, by all means, keep an eye on removed submissions. Sometimes we do remove legit posts -- usually because the user has not spelled out how something is pizzagate related. We don't know or see every connection, and many users assume the connection is obvious. When you find one, please ping the mod who removed and let them know why you think it was a mistake. If it was a mistake, we WILL apologize and ask the user to repost. There are also sometimes research posts that get put in v/pizzagatewhatever and never seen -- ping us about those, too, so we can invite the user to post on the research board and give them any tips they need to satisfy the submission guidelines.
dickface8 ago
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. The only issue I have is that I don't see how the video very possibly depicting Podesta torturing a kid at CPP isn't "pizzagate related". That just does not compute. "Without some kind of link showing actual evidence this is JP, this is nothing more than speculative", well isn't most of what's discussed here technically speculative? Are you saying that unless we get Podestas face on camera in that video then it has no place her because it's only "speculative"?
Vindicator ago
Thank you for listening to my reply. :-)
These videos need to go in v/pizzagatewhatever, unless someone can provide COMPELLING evidence -- of the sort that would induce law enforcement to investigate him for it -- that it actually is JP. That's the deal. You are WELCOME to discuss this and link to it in comments of any thread on v/pizzagate. Speculation is perfectly legit in comments. I would recommend this thread, which includes it as part of a larger topic, without making unprovable claims in the headline.
I should also point out that enemies of PG are very likely pushing these highly triggering videos to agitate PG investigators and incite them to make public defamatory claims about Podesta that his lawyers can then go after them for. This was the tactic Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer Derschowitz used to deflect victim lawsuits and suppress the criminal prosecution. That's their MO.
dickface8 ago
Just out of curiosity, don't you think this could very likely be Podesta in the video? As I said to someone before, how many MK Ultra type child torture videos could possibly be out there with a person that sounds almost identical to Podesta (minus the slight accent), has the same lighting as CPP, and even gets called John and possibly "Skippy" too. What are the odds? Exremely slim I'd say.