continuing to make the same argument does not suddenly make it true. to be perfectly honest, if that was an entirely innocent phrase, we wouldn't even be having this debate. it's you who isn't using the Occam's razor principle - not me.
it's you who should stop the obvious shilling, anyone with half a brain can see what was going on with "Evie's Crib". It's well known that Google manipulates their results. The claim that you googled "raw and uncut" and found inoffensive material in no way invalidates my point that the phrase "raw and uncut" has a sexual connotation more often than not. literally no one here is buying your argument and you aren't contributing ANYTHING useful to a discussion.
what exactly do you think "spend time" with Evie means, advertised on a blog like that? Is it normal for a step-grandmother to advertise or promote "spending time" with her infant step-granddaughter to random people on the internet? That is NOT normal.
if you want to look at it in more generic terms, the phrase "raw and uncut" almost always means "uncensored" - which has an obvious association with pornography/lewd material - sure, it COULD mean "unrefined" (as in diamonds), but that isn't what most people typically associate with the phrase (at least in American English).
then you've obviously never spent any time on the internet. that's not "the reality" - that's your misinterpretation of the phrase.
furthermore, who exactly do you think is purchasing "raw and uncut" time on a webcam with an infant, if not for sexual purposes? who does that and for what purpose?
How do you not know about this? It's well known and archived right here before it was scrubbed: https://archive.is/JGhR6
She specifically says: "Evelyn is growing up, soon she will be the Queen of the entire US of A, right now, for a limited time only, you can spend some time with her online, raw and uncut. Take advantage of this now, as in the future she will have the power of life and death over you."
The implications of that are OBVIOUS. It is not a ludicrous claim at all, and you would know that if you had done ANY research into this whatsoever.
Why oh why do people feel compelled to share every, single detail of their lives on social media? The world doesn't care about the minutiae of your contractions, waters breaking, birthing chairs Maeve.
Ben was outside getting Mairi's equipment from her vehicle as the birth occurred....
but odd no pic of Ben while there is a pic of James Alefantis -- !!
Alefantis claimed to be god-father to CarisJames ....
is he also taking a god-fatherly position here to this child?
And what does might that mean for the future of both of those children?
Yeah, but this Ben Luzzatto character is a slippery sort. Not many good photos of the guy around the time period, but I did find some things.
Also, wtf is with Ben and Alexandra's wedding website being called Tribe of Legba? Voodoo worshiping Marylanders who went to Sidwell Friends School sure sounds like only the most suspicious set of coincidences of all time.
Preeeeeetty much. Between that, Tamara, the whole Sidwell School (school for Obama's kids, btw) thing going on and Ben Luzzatto's deliberate attempts to hide himself on the Internet make me very suspicious of them entirely.
Not sure how accepting Haitian Voodoo gods would actually be of Italian Americans from Maryland though. Seems like a really peculiar theme shared with Hillary too :/ Zoiks, Scoob!
She sent an email to Podesta that she's sending her kids over as entertainment. However a rational explanation is she listed their ages because that's something that they should know and be prepared for, and by "entertainment" she really meant "pain in the ass". Another explanation is by entertainment she was referring to the adults in the sense of "entertain a guest" (hospitality), and it's import to know the ages of any children [a cynic might say it's important to know so they can hide their soft bondage kiddie artwork].
They found a personal blog of the mother that had pictures of those kids. Alefantis looks like he might be in one of them, but others in this thread think it's not him.
Ha. Good luck going down the path of trying to rationalize the innocence of overall ties... Explaining away 1 email is sort of possible... But it just gets harder and harder to go beyond rationalizing a few of the puzzle pieces.
FOR EXAMPLE. What what this woman doing selling Skype sessions with these kids?
If that example doesn't release you from the rationalization well guess what, there a shitload more :)
See, this is why you are all FUCKING RETARDED. WHY IS IT WRONG TO PLAY WITH KIDS? HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW IT IS SEXUAL? WHERE DOES IT BECOME SEXUAL? THERE IS NOTHING SEXUAL ABOUT IT. SWIMMING WITH KIDS IS NOT SEXUAL. Hoooooly fuck you fucking tards. Hahaha jesus christ you tards.
For those of you who maybe haven't been here very long, here is something interesting for you. The mother in the picture who gave birth to Maeve Luzatto, is also an actress. She used to be on Xena. http://www.alexandratydings.com/
*Attended high school at the Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C.
*Graduate of Brown University, 1993
*Grew up in Washington DC's colorful punk scene and at one time, was bassist and singer for 2 punk bands.
*Became a member of two punk music bands when she was young.
*Has two tattoos.
*Gave birth to her first child at age 31, a daughter Ruby Luzzatto on June 17, 2004.
Gave birth to her second child at age 33, a daughter Emerson Luzzatto on June 4, 2006.
Alexandra Tydings is the daughter of Joseph Tydings, former U.S. Senator from Maryland (1965-1971) and his second wife, Terry Lynn Huntingdon Tydings. Alexandra is granddaughter of Millard E. Tydings, former U.S. Representative (1923-1927) and U.S. Senator from Maryland (1927-1951). Alexandra is also the great granddaughter of Joseph E. Davies, first Chairman of the Federal Trade Commission (for President Woodrow Wilson), US Ambassador to the USSR, Belgium and Luxemburg (for President Franklin D. Roosevelt). By virtue of Davies' second marriage, Alexandra is also the step great granddaughter of Marjorie Merriweather Post and step niece of Dina Merrill.
Alexandra Tydings has four half siblings from her father's first marriage: Mary Campbell Tydings Smith; Millard E. Tydings, II; Emlen Tydings; and Eleanor Davies Tydings. Alexandra also has one half sister from her mother's first marriage: Paige Crowly.**
*Teaching "Rock-and-Roll Yoga" in Washington, D.C. [January 2006]"
The Trial of Hanna Porn is an award winning original play written and directed by Alexandra. The play is a multi-media exploration of the ongoing struggle for control of the female body. The play premiered at the Charm City Fringe Festival in 2015.
Presume you mean are the parents - mother and father -- aware that it looks like
the children are being sexually abused as arranged by the step-mother?
I raised that question above as much of this sexual abuse is generational.
Maybe someone here has more info on this or that eventually we will have more info on these children.
I looked a little closer at the two kids. Emerson is sucking her thumb. Now think back on what you know about kids who are too old to be sucking on their thumbs. She is 2. Does it mean they're under stress? Does it mean bad parenting? Use that knowledge to guide your thinking or discussions with others.
Why are the girls dressed so differently? Didn't they come from the same place? Sis-in-law took them to her house before the birth tub was filled. For a possible sleepover. Ruby is dressed for bed; Emerson is not.
This looks like a family photo. JA a looks like a proud papa. Where is Ben, the husband? Why isn't his photo included with his family? Who took the pictures?
Why are Ruby's pj bottoms so droopy? Where are JA's hands?
Look at the photo where 2-yr old Emerson is holding the baby. Look at those bags under her eyes. Poor baby. What else is going on in this picture? Who is she looking at? Who's hand is in the pic? She doesn't look excited to hold the new baby. Why might this be the case?
Read the story again. Pay special attention to the people mentioned in the story. Have we identified all the players? Let me get you started...has anyone noticed the reference to Ruby's Godfather SKIP in the story!!! He brought firewood. Could JP be Ruby's godfather? Was he present at this birth too?
Is ja mentioned in the story itself or Just the photo? Does anyone have access to the entire story? Who is SKIP? Skippy perhaps??? Who is Susan? Is she a godmother too?
honestly i dont think the picture is good enough for you to be sherlock holmesing so hard, no offense. like yeah no doubt fucked up shit is happening and those poor kids certainly have gone through some shit but the photo doesnt really give us enough information and doesnt really matter anyway because conversations of that nature, speculating and sorta questioning little things that dont matter either way, are sssssoooooooooooooooo far away from where we are now imho
wrong, this picture links James alefantis to suspected child-abuse victims by John Podesta. The e-mail was originally sent to John Podesta, and Alefantis was never in the picture until now.
Two is not too old for the kid to suck his thumb. My friend's son was broke of the habit around a year old but sucked his thumb when he was tired. I am guessing because the other child is in pjs that it is bedtime or close to it. The pj pants look too long for her so she will grow into them. These things are not weird to me.
Why are both kids not dressed for bed?
Clearly both are tired.
I am woman, not a mom, but i have kids in my life. I get that everyone wants a different birthing experience but something about a home birth raises red flags like crazy to me. This is her third child and she had false alarms with labor in days leading up to the birth. Why would she go out on this planned outing days before he due date after having had false labor recently? Especially with it being her third kid. Labor doesn't last as long the more kids you have. That's a big risk. Think about it. She wants a home birth, has had false labor prior, goes far away to sit on a hay ride and get bumped around. Good way to start labor but shitty if you are far away and can't make it home fast.
This whole story is bizarre and very unsettling.
Edit: Just want to say I am not judging a woman's choice to have a baby at home. An expectant mother should do whatever she feels comfortable with for her birth. It just makes me think something needs to be hidden away that cannot be hidden at the hospital. I am also not saying that the midwife is in on this. I have no idea and am not implying she did anything wrong or knows of JA and his fucked up actions. I am sure she is a wonderful midwife and don't want her career ruined because of these shady as fuck people if she is innocent.
It is weird and unnatural to have a bunch of random people around for a birth, especially a home birth. Women have a natural feeling of not wanting people around when they give birth.
I have 4 kids and don't think a two year old sucking their thumb is that unusual. Especially I'm a stressful situation or when tired. (not saying there isn't weirdness going on overall)
I did work for a grown woman that sucked her thumb. She knew it was weird, and mentioned that when I saw her. I assume it's a habit that should be broken when young, if not they keep doing it.
Thank you and read the full story which I think makes clear that this is a very healthy female who does Yoga and because of regular early contractions probably thought it highly possible that they would continue to go on with due date two days ahead. She did make it home without problems.
What is odd in the story is the seeming prominent position of James Alefantis in the scene. Why?
Wish the pics could be enlarged.
But this did cause me to say "huh?" .... Maeve Chaim Luzzatto
Isn't Luzzatto a name we've heard before in at least one of these researched connections?
I'd say that Ben Luzzatto may be the guy in the picture --
Same kind of hairline at top of head - high forehead -- and notice he is wearing black with white Tee underneath.
And as I mentioned in another comment, for some reason Ben and Alex had some fascination with Legba (voodoo god of sex, children and keys), went to the same politically connected schools as any other elite, and more. Definitely looking into it more when I can.
Could that anyhow be the same "Skip" aka Henry Louis Gates Jr. in the handkerchief storyhttps://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1750186 -- or the same Erin unknown to me -- or the same Susan aka Susan Sandler. Am I reaching or is there another new connection of dots...
They both attended the Martha's Vineyard dogshow...
Where also the handkerchief story takes place on the summer of 2014. Ok, quite a lot to be a coincidence. One more...
"Being Irish and superstisious..."
Skip saying "You're going to give birth to Barry White"
"Maeve" is also an Irish name
Henry "Skip" Gates Jr. is also of part Irish descent. Wow. midwife home birth, no birth certificate? Wow.
pretty crazy that Alefantis happens to be connected to the family of the woman who was basically selling "uncut, raw" webcam sex with her infant step-granddaughter (the "Evie's Crib" blog of Tamera Luzatto). can't imagine that's a coincidence, but I'm sure people will try to explain that away by saying that she's obviously in the same social circle as the Podestas (since the emails are from JP's account), and that circle includes JA.
You can't really see the face - only the hairline.
No mention of Alefantis in the article but there is a mention that Ben was there.
At one point just before the birth he went outside to bring in Mairi's equipment but obviously
he would have returned and obviously the photographer would have wanted a pic of the
Mother and FATHER. And the father was (according to the Mother) ... Ben.
It is the birth of one of the children in the pool. The one the Stepmother was providing for the disgusting amusement of the adults. It was at Sweet Beginnings in Md. A birthing center. These people are beyond sick, they are possessed by Satan.
Yes, sorry, Miss wrote that. She was the Step-Grandmother of the children. She was married to their grandfather after he divorced, and then passed away. What a charmer.
Hi -- Thank you.
Wondering if anyone knows if this Step-Mother/Grandfather situation is on maternal
or paternal side of family?
Might be important to know as often this sexual abuse is generational.
If I find anything on that, I'll let you know. :)
not just some birth , the birth of Maeve Luzzatto the girl from the podesta email https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/54545 where a bunch of adults are told there will be ''entertainment in the pool'' in the form of 3 kids.
That they could be genuinely serious that she may being legitimately groomed to be a world leader, is very unnerving.
Seriously, what if the elite really do groom leaders from birth? Using CIA, MK Ultra tactics and sexual ritualistic abuse to create an army of hollow shells for any purpose.
That sounded crazy a decade ago, now it's seeming very likely to be true and it's becoming exposed.
Yes. I recognize it. Someone was trying to expose this a while back. I can't remember if it was in a post or in comments. She reached out to me to help her. I wrote it within the comments but no one picked it up. Yes it is the birth of one of the kids in the pool. Yes, Special Beginnings in Md.
mathemagician33 ago
continuing to make the same argument does not suddenly make it true. to be perfectly honest, if that was an entirely innocent phrase, we wouldn't even be having this debate. it's you who isn't using the Occam's razor principle - not me.
mathemagician33 ago
in the context of "spending time with someone online" - YES, that is exactly what it means.
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
http://i.imgur.com/arDJtEb.jpg
Thanks. I think it does have a look of JA and less like the guy in construction pics.
If it is infact JA, the way that child with him is very comfortable.
slickleg64 ago
Has Alex Jones seen this?
Littleredcorvette ago
Mairi and Erin were both midwives. If you read closely, midwives is used in plural in the story.
Here is a site where Mairi mentions Erin and states she is retiring.
http://mamasmidwives.com/who-we-are/
http://archive.is/dLztl
@anonOpenPress
mathemagician33 ago
it's you who should stop the obvious shilling, anyone with half a brain can see what was going on with "Evie's Crib". It's well known that Google manipulates their results. The claim that you googled "raw and uncut" and found inoffensive material in no way invalidates my point that the phrase "raw and uncut" has a sexual connotation more often than not. literally no one here is buying your argument and you aren't contributing ANYTHING useful to a discussion.
what exactly do you think "spend time" with Evie means, advertised on a blog like that? Is it normal for a step-grandmother to advertise or promote "spending time" with her infant step-granddaughter to random people on the internet? That is NOT normal.
if you want to look at it in more generic terms, the phrase "raw and uncut" almost always means "uncensored" - which has an obvious association with pornography/lewd material - sure, it COULD mean "unrefined" (as in diamonds), but that isn't what most people typically associate with the phrase (at least in American English).
mathemagician33 ago
then you've obviously never spent any time on the internet. that's not "the reality" - that's your misinterpretation of the phrase.
furthermore, who exactly do you think is purchasing "raw and uncut" time on a webcam with an infant, if not for sexual purposes? who does that and for what purpose?
anonOpenPress ago
If you find that email mentioning Erin, I'd be happy. Looking for who she is.
VieBleu ago
we may run in circles but they are pedo free- can you say the same about your circles?.
noone222 ago
I don't think it can be proven to be Alefantis.
mathemagician33 ago
yes, most definitely.
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
Is there a picture of Ben for comparison?
mathemagician33 ago
How do you not know about this? It's well known and archived right here before it was scrubbed: https://archive.is/JGhR6
She specifically says: "Evelyn is growing up, soon she will be the Queen of the entire US of A, right now, for a limited time only, you can spend some time with her online, raw and uncut. Take advantage of this now, as in the future she will have the power of life and death over you."
The implications of that are OBVIOUS. It is not a ludicrous claim at all, and you would know that if you had done ANY research into this whatsoever.
Yuke ago
Yup. This came up long ago, the general consensus was that the man is NOT James Alefantis, and I for one believe that is the case 100%.
Piscina ago
Why oh why do people feel compelled to share every, single detail of their lives on social media? The world doesn't care about the minutiae of your contractions, waters breaking, birthing chairs Maeve.
EmKell ago
That poor child was born into ritual.
PizzagateBot ago
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OhRutherfordBehave ago
So Alefantis knows the Luzzatto children and their mother, new to me....
SYNCORSWIM ago
Why is J.A. in the pic and not Ben? Why did she refer to Ben as her partner?
Votescam ago
Ben was outside getting Mairi's equipment from her vehicle as the birth occurred.... but odd no pic of Ben while there is a pic of James Alefantis -- !!
Alefantis claimed to be god-father to CarisJames .... is he also taking a god-fatherly position here to this child?
And what does might that mean for the future of both of those children?
VieBleu ago
thank you for reasonable questions.
johnpedostalol ago
They're so fucking delusional man, THEY are the dangerous people.
SYNCORSWIM ago
WTF. So is J.A. name actually Ben? Ben was her birthing partner. Why? Who's Skippy? Podesta?
RebelSkum ago
Still looking into this because I absolutely cannot believe it's real. It would be incredibly disturbing to say the least.
The name Luzzatto is right in there and everything though. Now I'm just confused as to who "Ben" and "Skip" really are.
anonOpenPress ago
Ben Luzzatto (husband) and probably Henry "Skip" Gates Jr. (godfather)
RebelSkum ago
Yeah, but this Ben Luzzatto character is a slippery sort. Not many good photos of the guy around the time period, but I did find some things.
Also, wtf is with Ben and Alexandra's wedding website being called Tribe of Legba? Voodoo worshiping Marylanders who went to Sidwell Friends School sure sounds like only the most suspicious set of coincidences of all time.
Mad_As_Hell ago
Wow really?! Hard to explain that away innocently. Do you have a link?
RebelSkum ago
It's still up even after all this time: http://www.tribeoflegba.com/
Here's an archived version for the appropriately sketched out: http://archive.is/JLVRa
Mad_As_Hell ago
Thanks for this, again very difficult to think of a non-creepy explanation
RebelSkum ago
Preeeeeetty much. Between that, Tamara, the whole Sidwell School (school for Obama's kids, btw) thing going on and Ben Luzzatto's deliberate attempts to hide himself on the Internet make me very suspicious of them entirely.
Not sure how accepting Haitian Voodoo gods would actually be of Italian Americans from Maryland though. Seems like a really peculiar theme shared with Hillary too :/ Zoiks, Scoob!
HamstaRapper ago
She sent an email to Podesta that she's sending her kids over as entertainment. However a rational explanation is she listed their ages because that's something that they should know and be prepared for, and by "entertainment" she really meant "pain in the ass". Another explanation is by entertainment she was referring to the adults in the sense of "entertain a guest" (hospitality), and it's import to know the ages of any children [a cynic might say it's important to know so they can hide their soft bondage kiddie artwork].
They found a personal blog of the mother that had pictures of those kids. Alefantis looks like he might be in one of them, but others in this thread think it's not him.
druhill007 ago
Ha. Good luck going down the path of trying to rationalize the innocence of overall ties... Explaining away 1 email is sort of possible... But it just gets harder and harder to go beyond rationalizing a few of the puzzle pieces.
FOR EXAMPLE. What what this woman doing selling Skype sessions with these kids?
If that example doesn't release you from the rationalization well guess what, there a shitload more :)
VieBleu ago
good effort and it has to be made. We forget how encountering this still makes people question in shock.
Mad_As_Hell ago
I agree, how do you explain Evie's Crib and the "raw and uncut" line in an innocent way?
johnpedostalol ago
See, this is why you are all FUCKING RETARDED. WHY IS IT WRONG TO PLAY WITH KIDS? HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW IT IS SEXUAL? WHERE DOES IT BECOME SEXUAL? THERE IS NOTHING SEXUAL ABOUT IT. SWIMMING WITH KIDS IS NOT SEXUAL. Hoooooly fuck you fucking tards. Hahaha jesus christ you tards.
Blacksmith21 ago
Fuck off asshat. I'd gleefully sink an icepick behind your ear and not think twice about it.
johnpedostalol ago
Not think twice?! You're sooo ruthless xD
Harpua33 ago
Are you masturbating and typing at same time?
Blacksmith21 ago
It comes easy.
srayzie ago
For those of you who maybe haven't been here very long, here is something interesting for you. The mother in the picture who gave birth to Maeve Luzatto, is also an actress. She used to be on Xena. http://www.alexandratydings.com/
User88 ago
According to IMDb, Alexandra Tydings...
*Attended high school at the Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C.
*Graduate of Brown University, 1993
*Grew up in Washington DC's colorful punk scene and at one time, was bassist and singer for 2 punk bands.
*Became a member of two punk music bands when she was young.
*Has two tattoos.
*Gave birth to her first child at age 31, a daughter Ruby Luzzatto on June 17, 2004. Gave birth to her second child at age 33, a daughter Emerson Luzzatto on June 4, 2006.
Alexandra Tydings is the daughter of Joseph Tydings, former U.S. Senator from Maryland (1965-1971) and his second wife, Terry Lynn Huntingdon Tydings. Alexandra is granddaughter of Millard E. Tydings, former U.S. Representative (1923-1927) and U.S. Senator from Maryland (1927-1951). Alexandra is also the great granddaughter of Joseph E. Davies, first Chairman of the Federal Trade Commission (for President Woodrow Wilson), US Ambassador to the USSR, Belgium and Luxemburg (for President Franklin D. Roosevelt). By virtue of Davies' second marriage, Alexandra is also the step great granddaughter of Marjorie Merriweather Post and step niece of Dina Merrill.
Alexandra Tydings has four half siblings from her father's first marriage: Mary Campbell Tydings Smith; Millard E. Tydings, II; Emlen Tydings; and Eleanor Davies Tydings. Alexandra also has one half sister from her mother's first marriage: Paige Crowly.**
*Teaching "Rock-and-Roll Yoga" in Washington, D.C. [January 2006]"
Source: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0878714/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
Votescam ago
Thank you -- interesting.
She's also writer/director --
from your link
srayzie ago
I've always wondered if she knows what her step mother does with her children
Votescam ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Tyding provided by a poster above --
Actually, it's Ben Luzzatto and clearly that seems to mean that it is the paternal step-mother... i.e., the husband's parents.
srayzie ago
Well I wonder if they are aware
Votescam ago
Presume you mean are the parents - mother and father -- aware that it looks like the children are being sexually abused as arranged by the step-mother?
I raised that question above as much of this sexual abuse is generational.
Maybe someone here has more info on this or that eventually we will have more info on these children.
srayzie ago
Yeah. I wonder if Ben knows that his step mom is pimping out his kids
islandofdelight ago
https://archive.fo/IgfCX Archived Steemit post about Tamera Luzzatto.
R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd ago
This piece gave me goose bumps for some reason. Buy the man who wrote that a beer if he's still here.
DICKFART_ ago
thanks for the link ,i agree it seems likely its ben luzzatto.. The podesta email still seems very strange to me though. especially considering Tamera Luzzatto's invite-only blog page : https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5u6egb/tamera_luzzattos_inviteonly_blog_page/Title Here
Candygram_for_Mongo ago
"further entertainment" after dinner, after drinks, kids for dessert
Blacksmith21 ago
You get an upvoat just for the handle.
Littleredcorvette ago
It had been posted here in the early days.
It's good to get it out again.
I looked a little closer at the two kids. Emerson is sucking her thumb. Now think back on what you know about kids who are too old to be sucking on their thumbs. She is 2. Does it mean they're under stress? Does it mean bad parenting? Use that knowledge to guide your thinking or discussions with others.
Why are the girls dressed so differently? Didn't they come from the same place? Sis-in-law took them to her house before the birth tub was filled. For a possible sleepover. Ruby is dressed for bed; Emerson is not.
This looks like a family photo. JA a looks like a proud papa. Where is Ben, the husband? Why isn't his photo included with his family? Who took the pictures?
Why are Ruby's pj bottoms so droopy? Where are JA's hands?
Look at the photo where 2-yr old Emerson is holding the baby. Look at those bags under her eyes. Poor baby. What else is going on in this picture? Who is she looking at? Who's hand is in the pic? She doesn't look excited to hold the new baby. Why might this be the case?
Read the story again. Pay special attention to the people mentioned in the story. Have we identified all the players? Let me get you started...has anyone noticed the reference to Ruby's Godfather SKIP in the story!!! He brought firewood. Could JP be Ruby's godfather? Was he present at this birth too?
Is ja mentioned in the story itself or Just the photo? Does anyone have access to the entire story? Who is SKIP? Skippy perhaps??? Who is Susan? Is she a godmother too?
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educate_yourself ago
honestly i dont think the picture is good enough for you to be sherlock holmesing so hard, no offense. like yeah no doubt fucked up shit is happening and those poor kids certainly have gone through some shit but the photo doesnt really give us enough information and doesnt really matter anyway because conversations of that nature, speculating and sorta questioning little things that dont matter either way, are sssssoooooooooooooooo far away from where we are now imho
FloridaJackalope ago
wrong, this picture links James alefantis to suspected child-abuse victims by John Podesta. The e-mail was originally sent to John Podesta, and Alefantis was never in the picture until now.
DopeandDiamonds ago
Two is not too old for the kid to suck his thumb. My friend's son was broke of the habit around a year old but sucked his thumb when he was tired. I am guessing because the other child is in pjs that it is bedtime or close to it. The pj pants look too long for her so she will grow into them. These things are not weird to me.
Why are both kids not dressed for bed? Clearly both are tired.
I am woman, not a mom, but i have kids in my life. I get that everyone wants a different birthing experience but something about a home birth raises red flags like crazy to me. This is her third child and she had false alarms with labor in days leading up to the birth. Why would she go out on this planned outing days before he due date after having had false labor recently? Especially with it being her third kid. Labor doesn't last as long the more kids you have. That's a big risk. Think about it. She wants a home birth, has had false labor prior, goes far away to sit on a hay ride and get bumped around. Good way to start labor but shitty if you are far away and can't make it home fast.
This whole story is bizarre and very unsettling.
Edit: Just want to say I am not judging a woman's choice to have a baby at home. An expectant mother should do whatever she feels comfortable with for her birth. It just makes me think something needs to be hidden away that cannot be hidden at the hospital. I am also not saying that the midwife is in on this. I have no idea and am not implying she did anything wrong or knows of JA and his fucked up actions. I am sure she is a wonderful midwife and don't want her career ruined because of these shady as fuck people if she is innocent.
VIrginiaPerson ago
It is weird and unnatural to have a bunch of random people around for a birth, especially a home birth. Women have a natural feeling of not wanting people around when they give birth.
DopeandDiamonds ago
Absolutely
vintagedaisy ago
I have 4 kids and don't think a two year old sucking their thumb is that unusual. Especially I'm a stressful situation or when tired. (not saying there isn't weirdness going on overall)
dustyr ago
I did work for a grown woman that sucked her thumb. She knew it was weird, and mentioned that when I saw her. I assume it's a habit that should be broken when young, if not they keep doing it.
Littleredcorvette ago
That's why is appears weird to some but not to others. Your personal lens and experience shapes your view.
My daughter never did suck her thumb so I don't have that lens of perspective.
Mostly I've heard mother in law tales and advice about it given to others. Because every mil "knows" how to fix it lol
HollandDrive ago
LOL. True. It's complicated :) I mean thumb-sucking ... it can go on for quite a long time, not unusual.
Verite1 ago
Dudes I sucked my thumb til I was 11 !! No big whoop
noworldorder ago
The entire story is still up here: http://mamasmidwives.com/maeve-chaim/
Votescam ago
Thank you and read the full story which I think makes clear that this is a very healthy female who does Yoga and because of regular early contractions probably thought it highly possible that they would continue to go on with due date two days ahead. She did make it home without problems.
What is odd in the story is the seeming prominent position of James Alefantis in the scene. Why?
Wish the pics could be enlarged.
But this did cause me to say "huh?" .... Maeve Chaim Luzzatto
Isn't Luzzatto a name we've heard before in at least one of these researched connections?
WeCanDoThisThing ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Tydings
Votescam ago
Obviously, paternal side. Luzzatto ... (duh) ... realized it after I posted the question. Thanks for the reply. :)
3141592653 ago
Isn't that the lady who talks about her three kids In the pool for entertainment???
Littleredcorvette ago
Thanks. I'm on mobile and tech challenged.
GregNH ago
Link please?
DICKFART_ ago
i think you might be right. do we have a picture of ben luzatto?
concernedaboutitall ago
Found one. https://www.mica.edu/About_MICA/People/Faculty/Faculty_List_by_Last_Name/Benjamin_Luzzatto.html
Votescam ago
I'd say that Ben Luzzatto may be the guy in the picture -- Same kind of hairline at top of head - high forehead -- and notice he is wearing black with white Tee underneath.
Seems Ben and Alefantis look a good bit alike!
concernedaboutitall ago
Yeah, it does seem so. Very similar, perhaps even related.
DICKFART_ ago
could just be him then...
DontTreadOnMemes ago
Yeah I think it's Ben Luzatto. Doesn't really change Alex Tyding giving her kids to Tamera Luzatto to send to her friends.
RebelSkum ago
And as I mentioned in another comment, for some reason Ben and Alex had some fascination with Legba (voodoo god of sex, children and keys), went to the same politically connected schools as any other elite, and more. Definitely looking into it more when I can.
anonOpenPress ago
Could that anyhow be the same "Skip" aka Henry Louis Gates Jr. in the handkerchief story https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1750186 -- or the same Erin unknown to me -- or the same Susan aka Susan Sandler. Am I reaching or is there another new connection of dots...
Where also the handkerchief story takes place on the summer of 2014. Ok, quite a lot to be a coincidence. One more...
Henry "Skip" Gates Jr. is also of part Irish descent. Wow. midwife home birth, no birth certificate? Wow.
Jem777 ago
Could Skip be Podesta? Could Susan be Alefantis mother Susan?
anonOpenPress ago
"Has anyone found evidence that Maeve Luzzatto (should be age 8), from the creepy pool party email, is okay?" https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1456441/
BlackManta ago
Podesta's nickname is Skippy. Maybe related?
anonOpenPress ago
John "Skippy" Podesta and Henry "Skip" Gates Jr. do know each other well, if that's what you mean
anonOpenPress ago
Adding a link to the birth story http://mamasmidwives.com/maeve-chaim/
mathemagician33 ago
pretty crazy that Alefantis happens to be connected to the family of the woman who was basically selling "uncut, raw" webcam sex with her infant step-granddaughter (the "Evie's Crib" blog of Tamera Luzatto). can't imagine that's a coincidence, but I'm sure people will try to explain that away by saying that she's obviously in the same social circle as the Podestas (since the emails are from JP's account), and that circle includes JA.
Freemasonsrus ago
That is the father of the girls I believe, husband to the woman who is in the bed. Not JA.
Votescam ago
Mother refers to her "partner" .... Ben.
Ben was retrieving Miari's equipment from here vehicle and didn't make it into the pic.
Poot_McGarvey ago
tbh the pic looks much more like JA then Ben Luzatto
Votescam ago
You can't really see the face - only the hairline. No mention of Alefantis in the article but there is a mention that Ben was there. At one point just before the birth he went outside to bring in Mairi's equipment but obviously he would have returned and obviously the photographer would have wanted a pic of the Mother and FATHER. And the father was (according to the Mother) ... Ben.
brbomglolwtfbbq ago
jesus christ i hate this world
BlackManta ago
I know that feeling. Ignorance was bliss but I can't and won't pretend it's not there. Double edged sword :(
bikergang_accountant ago
I just wish after not being ignorant I could ask the law not to be.
BlackManta ago
Me too. Are you a biker? There's an awesome organization called Bikers Against Child Abuse. It's legit. I donate to them when I can.
druhill007 ago
But now you have a sword to defend yourself with ;) and to potentially save others with ;) AND POTENTIALLY SAVE HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!
BlackManta ago
And people like you guys out there :). Gives me hope.
druhill007 ago
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Blacksmith21 ago
The problem is finding ways to drown out the noise when you need it.
Jem777 ago
This picture was shown in the beginning. Alefantis was at some birth.Strange
carmencita ago
It is the birth of one of the children in the pool. The one the Stepmother was providing for the disgusting amusement of the adults. It was at Sweet Beginnings in Md. A birthing center. These people are beyond sick, they are possessed by Satan.
Votescam ago
Was it a "Step-grandmother" ..... ????
or "Step-Mother"???? which might mean a divorce or the relationship moved on elsewhere?
carmencita ago
Yes, sorry, Miss wrote that. She was the Step-Grandmother of the children. She was married to their grandfather after he divorced, and then passed away. What a charmer.
Votescam ago
Hi -- Thank you. Wondering if anyone knows if this Step-Mother/Grandfather situation is on maternal or paternal side of family? Might be important to know as often this sexual abuse is generational. If I find anything on that, I'll let you know. :)
cakeoflightylight ago
A while back someone said that may be her husband and not Alefartface. No idea... It looks similar.
Bluebirdsolitude ago
"Alefartface"....lolol
DICKFART_ ago
do you have a link to the post? search is not helping
DICKFART_ ago
not just some birth , the birth of Maeve Luzzatto the girl from the podesta email https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/54545 where a bunch of adults are told there will be ''entertainment in the pool'' in the form of 3 kids.
Blacksmith21 ago
Remember....one day she shall rule the world.
fuckfacemcgee ago
That they could be genuinely serious that she may being legitimately groomed to be a world leader, is very unnerving.
Seriously, what if the elite really do groom leaders from birth? Using CIA, MK Ultra tactics and sexual ritualistic abuse to create an army of hollow shells for any purpose.
That sounded crazy a decade ago, now it's seeming very likely to be true and it's becoming exposed.
2impendingdoom ago
I think that is the birth of one of the "kids that will be in the pool, for sure"
carmencita ago
Yes. I recognize it. Someone was trying to expose this a while back. I can't remember if it was in a post or in comments. She reached out to me to help her. I wrote it within the comments but no one picked it up. Yes it is the birth of one of the kids in the pool. Yes, Special Beginnings in Md.