His organization worked to eradicate all laws against homosexuality....they went town by town, county by county, state by state in an organized effort to change the laws. In conjunction with the media networks....homosexuality was normalized....starting with his "scientific studies" that back in that era were completely fraudulent in their conclusions....but were made the basis of "scientific study" on human sexuality. His studies concluded that a large percentage of men were homosexual, and that a vast majority of married persons were promiscuous outside the marriage.....things that were not true at the time, but have been made to come to pass. His "studies" on children are still waiting in the wings to be rolled out and normalized.
Wait a minute .... are you trying to suggest that gay marriage and recognition of homosexuality as a norm should be overturned because Kinsey supplied some of the information on that subject?
First, homosexuals were not always oppressed. In fact, even the Catholic Church held ceremonies for homosexual marriages.
Clearly, homosexuality is inconvenient for a church which wants to own and control all human sexuality and base it in heterosexuality as a norm. And Kinsey had nothing to do with the Catholic Church's oppression of homosexuals which went so deep into the privacy of lives and families that the Church even moved families to reject and abandon their own children who were suspected of being homosexual.
This is an extremely naïve idea based on the theory that homosexuals can't love one another -- that men cannot love men and women cannot love women because they engage in something called "sodomy."
Well, heterosexual couples also engage in sodomy -- cunnilingus and fellatio -- and anal sex (perhaps even because of restrictions on birth control brought about by the Catholic Church) is common in some Latin countries among heterosexual couples.
Another example of the common nature of homosexuality (where Kinsey had nothing to do with the information) is that in Brazil during the AIDS epidemic, doctors began to notice that many heterosexual married women were coming down with AIDS virus though they continued to affirm that they had no sexual contact with anyone but their own husbands and no illegal drug use.
Doctors in Brazil of course were also brain-washed by the Catholic Church and had no idea how many males in Brazil were married but also engaging in homosexual activity with other males. How many???
30% of males in Brazil were discovered by doctors to be having sex with other males.
And, we haven't even gotten to the recognition of bi-sexuality as yet -- which kind of explains how confusing any get together can be anywhere in life, in any living room or at any party. (!!!)
Granted there are many questions about Kinsey/Rockefeller -- but don't use Kinsey as a way or excuse to attack homosexuals.
I did not "attack homosexuals"....merely pointed out that it was an agenda of the Kinsey institute to normalize homosexuality in society; which it most certainly was. Granted its now normalized. If allowed their way, then in 50 years the majority would have the same reasoning towards pedofilia as they do now towards homosexuality. Fact is, homosexuality was illegal all across the country when the Kinsey institute started their endeavor. Fact is, the Kinsey institute worked tirelessly to abolish all laws against it, using Kinsey's "scientific findings". Fact is, the media networks worked hand in hand with the endeavor running both entertainment programming and news stories to normalize homosexuality. At this point there's no going back on it, but people might ought to recognize the entities behind that movement as they are the same entities behind now the now open movement towards "trans sexuals"....and also on their list of changes is the legalization of pedofilia. It is what it is.
Flat --
What I hoped I was pointing out to you is that homosexuality and homosexual relationships are normal. And, we see homosexuality, heterosexuality and bi-sexuality throughout nature.
There are no victims in homosexual relationships which are adult and consentual. However, there are VICTIMS in pedophile assaults on children, infants, toddlers.
Again -- there is no comparison between homosexuality and pedophilia.
And clearly such reasoning is based in homophobia and religious views.
Again -- attack Kinsey if you wish, but don't use Kinsey to attack homosexuals.
And note that I have no special esteem for Kinsey.
And the reality is that networks/entertainment long denied even the mention of homosexuals or lesbians or bisexuality.
And certainly had no programming based on such relationships until fairly recently.
Again, the oppression of homosexuals and the preaching against homosexuals is strongly related to the Catholic Church which for at least 1,000 years has preached hatred and intolerance for homosexuals from its pulpits.
At one time the Catholic Church actually performed homosexual marriages as made clear in old Vatican documents.
See: http://io9.gizmodo.com/gay-marriage-in-the-year-100-ad-951140108
And while trying to deny it, it seems you are more interested in pushing the point that homosexuality isn't normal than you are in addressing questions in regard to Kinsey.
Like African-Americans, homosexuals also delivered themselves to freedom and human rights by their own efforts.
Anyone can look at both of those campaigns as among our most non-violent, the most brilliant and creative -- despite the violent rhetoric and physical attacks against them in both cases. Both AA's and Homosexuals/Lesbians have a great deal to be proud of in their campaign to attain civil and human rights.
Trans-sexuality is a situation we are all learning about now. And, amazingly some of the youngest transsexuals are managing to live and learn about their own lives and the complications of it while also trying to educate the public at the same time as to what trans-sexuality actually is all about. Do them the courtesy of trying to listen and learn with them. I don't think trans-sexuality is anything new, but rather something of a "coming out of the closet" as homosexuality has been.
And listen to the victims of pedophilia -- where this condition has been adopted by our CIA in MKULTRA to create new pedophiles via torture and sexual abuse for the purpose of Mind Control. Learn something about the issue being addressed here. About Mind Control and multiple personalities and the programming of those new personalities while the host is unaware, seemingly. Children who have been kidnapped into these programs have been used as homosexual prostitutes, as drug runners and as spies for espionage and blackmail for our own government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
Note that the specific records of Operation Monarch - part of MKULTRA were ordered destroyed by Dir. Richard Helms on his retirement.
PS: In closing thoughts on this, I'd also mention to you that before the "white" man in Hawaii the native people celebrated and honored homosexuals for their care of orphaned children. They were esteemed for it.
Clearly they were not in any way abusers of children.
I'd also point out to you that in Nature -- and I think one example would be elephants -- the young males are separated out from the family unit as they mature in order to avoid problems. This can be very sad as we view it being practiced but they go on to join other groups and to mature in what nature considers a healthful way, not only for the individual elephant, but for the groups/herds.
Also please note that in order to keep children safe, adults have to understand that our sexual abusers of children are MALES (even right wing women's groups agree with that) and that they are heterosexual males.
Homosexuals are 100X less likely to sexually abuse a child than a heterosexual male.
If you would like more information on the study published, I'd be happy to post it for you.
I get it. I do, I totally get it. What I am pointing out is that prior to the Kinsey institute Homosexuality, even adultery was illegal. It was the Kinsey's institute intention through nefarious means to change that. Much of the "knowledge" that makes it seem so normal.....was fabricated. Even in the TV shows, it shows homosexuals being good parents....news stories too. Those in cahoots with the Kinsey institute control those venues and by intention put out that imagery....which then becomes belief.
Fact of the matter is, historically, any society that has made what was known as "deviant" sexual behavior the norm.....has ended up a fallen society; they've met ruin. Historically that's the way it is. I no more condemn homosexuals than I do drug addicts....for its the same influence that has them both. But outside of the TV, please show me a homosexual couple that is aged and are living happily. Only in the news stories. How about the new trans sexual craze? All the kids are doing it....there was a 10 year old on the news the other day speaking out on the bathrooms. All I'm saying is its an agenda and not a good one. Pdeofilia is on their list of normalization....and they'll use the same brainwash tactics....."science has proven", coupled with portrayal in 1,000 different ways in the programming that its ok. Its already begun.....the last few television series I watched were slowly, subversively portraying pedofilia as normal.
For example in the plot of one....it was a mystery of a dead boy.....a who done it, in the end, it was the nicest guy on the show, the husband of the female cop who was having a homosexual relationship with the boy. Who would have ever thought of such a thing...what a shocker...but brings that behavior more into the norm.....in the viewer's mind...that sort of thing happens. Or in another series, the 15 year old girl was having a sexual relationship with an older man.....when the father found out and addressed her, a couple of things were portrayed....one that the young girl talked back to her father without due respect....something else which has been made the norm by intention.....and the story went, he married their mother while she was underaged...so its ok and the father conceded, having the guy over for dinner and taking him in....normalizing what is known as pedofilia.
Am not sure people comprehend what is done with the programming. Its one of those what came first, the chicken or the egg sort of things. Like did John Belushi's Animal House depict how college students behaved at the time, or did college students behave that way after that movie was seen by so many? Fast Times at Ridgemont High another example in that regard. Another good example of how theater is used to influence is the James Bond movie "Goldfinger", where the evil bad guys planned to steal all the gold out of Fort Knox....just fiction, just theater right? Oh no, it was pre emptive, after the movie a certain group of politicians sought to make law to move all the gold from Fort Knox to avoid something like was seen in the movie from happening......and the gold was moved. No accounting of that gold has taken place since.
Here's a movie that might open your eyes. Drop the defense of homosexuality, as the movie has nothing to do with that....but rather the nefarious influence that exists and how it operates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9FqGg1Im3A
Flat --
Homosexuality was "illegal" because Catholic Church made it so --
same way they preached against Women and Jews from their pulpits in long campaigns of propaganda of hate to encourage
violence against them.
Kinsey wanted to change a lot of things -- like missionary position and the fact that women rarely had orgasms in sexual
intercourse with males/husbands. So did a lot of other people. That doesn't make Kinsey right in any molestation of a child
or other abusive act in his research.
Homosexuals rose up in their own campaign for civil and human rights after a millennia of oppression - of being
fired from their workplaces, of being forced into closets and actually being forced into marriages with women in
order to hide from society. They were blackmailed if they were in government. That was all long before Kinsey.
Homosexual relationships between adults are no different from heterosexual relationships between adults.
There is NO victim. "Child molestation" does create a victim.
No -- the husband of the female cop was not having a "homosexual" relationship with the young boy, the husband was a pedophile
and NOT a homosexual. It is very confused thinking where we see those looking at these situations and thinking it is homosexual
behavior rather than pedophile behavior. In the Sandusky case we see that many people still believe that it was homosexual
activity because the victims were male. Pedophilia is based in AGE of the victim, not the gender.
What is believed of heterosexual males is that they are often involved in what is being called "situational" pedophilia;
that is they may prefer to be with a woman, but they will abuse a child if there is no woman around.
Keep in mind that even the dumbest of males usually are smart enough not to engage in sex with someone under 16 because
they can land in jail. And, of course, if the father were abetting this crime he could also be in jail.
"Brokeback Mountain" I think was the first of the movies about a homosexual relationship.
"Carol" is another fairly current one.
I think the AIDS era also helped in bringing forth info on homosexuality and their relationships and changed a lot of minds.
The Ellen DeGeneres Show which dealt (comically) with her own homosexuality was a great help in enlightening the public.
Agree with you on "Animal House" however --
yes, that seemed to be a tutorial on how to go to college and spend your time getting wasted.
"Fast Times at Ridgemont High" is a still popular movie which introduced themes of masturbation -- much as the Steinfeld show
did much later on TV. It was only in 1992 that we had a Surgeon General/Clinton Administration who openly discussed
masturbation. Another hidden subject in our society due to the repressive teachings of the Catholic Church.
There isn't a human being on the planet who has reached maturity and hasn't masturbated.
If a Church can control something as personal and private as masturbation they pretty much have control of the individual.
If they can control the circumstances under which intercourse occurs between heterosexual couples where NO contraception is
permitted, then they can control the entire family and the culture. That's what those restrictions are about ... and also, of course,
to increase the membership of Catholic Churches. But those days are almost gone now, let's hope.
Believe what you will......I do my own research and have come to the conclustion that the entities I mentioned are liars....many of their "facts" are not facts, yet are believed to be. I agree we disagree and am not interested in trying to relate my point. Good luck on things. At least we agree that the pedofilia aspect of the agenda is to be fought against. Glad you caught onto that. But....if you were not here and not involved with all of this....but instead living happility enjoying the programming and unaware....then in 50 years, you'd be fighting for the rights of pedofiles...because thats where society, including yourself would be if it is allowed to take its course....and there'd at that point be no reasoning with you that pedofilia was bad or part of some evil agenda, because you'd of been filled with facts otherwise...thanks to the trusted news sources, scientific establishments and the television/movie/musical programming.
Until that aspect of influence is recognized, then we're all in trouble.
Flat --
There will NEVER be any time when I see someone hurt and victimized, tortured and sexually abused and would decide
that there is anything whatsoever normal or legal about it -- and that's what pedophilia is.
When you compare pedophilia with homosexuality you are not only engaging in fanatical prejudice based on religious
beliefs, but also ignoring the reality that it is Heterosexual sexual males who are 100X more likely to sexually abuse
a child than a homosexual male.
And as studies show -- and from what can be seen of attitudes towards pedophiles on this website -- neither will the public
ever accept pedophilie assault on children as anything but repulsive and criminal.
And that's also why in 2,000 years the Catholic Church and other male-supremacist religions have had to keep
the pedophile behavior of their priests secret and to cover it up.
As I said, I get it. I totally get your point of view. Not sure you're getting mine though :( Fact is, the Kinsey institute made it a specific endeavor to normalize homosexuality and adultery. They did so with fake facts.....where 50 years ago, the data in their studies showed a disproportionate, inaccurate...aka fraudulent number of people participated in those things. Kind of like the polls showing Hillary had a 93% chance of winning.....fake poll to influence and try to make it a reality.
Those same studies if you read them also determine that pefofilia doesn't cause any harm, is actually good for the children. Read the institute's studies for yourself. Its disgusting.
I guess my point is, 60 years ago when those studies were released (primarily just the aspect of homosexuality and adultery being so prevalent), nearly everyone thought both were disgusting. It was through media influence and fake science that the viewing audience came to believe the two acts normal. No, 38% of men were not homosexual in the 1950's....it was a lie....just like 93% were not planning on voting for Hillary. Glad they failed with the Hillary agenda.
The facts you state are directly given by those same sources. I know, I've seen the TV shows and news stories where the homosexual men are good parents. I've seen the statistics where homosexual men make better parents....but I no more believe that that I believe Hillary had a 99% chance of winning. Aren't all those around the pizza place homosexual men? Am sure they'd make fine parents....come to think of it, they do work with children a lot.......and love them....just look at Alaphantic's instagram.
In my case its not religious belief at all....its simply research, identification of source and discernment. To hear the news tell it, or the crooked politicians ascribed to that subversive group of which Kinsey was a part, or to see it portrayed in the entertainment programming.....then yeah, homosexuality is fine. To take a look at history, as I've said before...any culture that has normalized that has for whatever reason met its demise.
This is not to condemn homosexuals. I stated before, I no more condemn homosexuals than I do drug addicts. Homosexuals are even less to blame I suppose. The influence towards that was even stronger than the influence for people to do drugs. I am almost certain that contrary to popular belief....if a person had never heard of anyone being "homosexual", and were taught it wasn't a good thing......then they would likely never even think of doing that.....certainly wouldn't be rolling with the idea they were born that way. That whole "born that way" thing came from that same nefarious scientific community and its public relations spreading those "facts".
You say you will never endorse pedofilia.... I am just pointing out that if you were the age you are right now back then, and raised before Kinsey's works and that media influence started.......then you would have probably held the belief that you would never endorse homosexuality. Its been 50 years of conditioning...and didn't start with the Milk movie...there were several others. Klinger on Mash was one of the first influences...although they were not so bold as to portray him openly as homosexual......instead he was just dressing like a woman to try and get labeled crazy and get out of the army. The public wasn't ready for open portrayal of homosexuality on the television.....it took slow conditioning. That character in Mash was a precursor....most at the time had never heard of a man dressing as a woman...but it was comedy. Not too long before that show, most everyone was wise to not allow stories (books before TV and film) like that into their homes, schools or libraries....it was considered "lurid literature". Take a look around at American culture, aren't you glad they got over those phobias.
Same thing.....with Miley......we started off with Elvis....and the parents screamed "sacrilege"! But he wasn't that bad, it was one small step to where we are today. :(
Please get over any defense of homosexuality as I am not attacking it....I am pointing out the influence that brought it about, and that that influence has pedofilia on its agenda next. The influence towards it has already begun in the exact same way......scientific studies saying its normal and portrayal in the news and programming of it being normal. If left to takes its course, then 50 years from now, a couple generations down the road......people will be filled with facts and defend pedofilia as normal.
Flat -- The Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage because the public understands that
there is no victim involved in adult relationships between gays or lesbians and they wanted the
discrimination and oppression of homosexuals stopped.
As I've said to you many times before, condemn Kinsey's studies all you want but don't try to use Kinsey as a weapon
to support attacks on the civil and human rights of homosexuals.
You say ... "This is not to condemn homosexuals" but you do so with every word you speak.
And you are confusing consciousness raising and enlightenment to lift prejudices often spread
by organized patriarchal religion with propaganda of lies spread by those same religions against
homosexuals.
You often claim -- and I believe you -- that you do research, but clearly it's not with an open mind.
And it is also sadly clear that you are fanatically homophobic.
Another example...related to the night club shooting on the news......you have to wonder if that doctor has ever pulled bullets out of anything if he thinks the bullets from the .223 rifle used in the story were bigger than the bullets he usually pullled out of people from "the usual Saturday night shootings" (more influence....as if there's plenty of shootings on Saturday nights happening....normalizing that with such broadcast.....hoping to make it a reality). The bullets from a .223 are among the smallest bullets used by the public. The more common 9mm pistol has bullets more than twice as big.....the average hunting rifle of which there are far more in the public has bullets often 4 times as big. So is that even a doctor at all? Or an actor? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWOEBUy4Bs
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FckPizza3 ago
They made a movie about this in 2004. https://youtu.be/y0g5ngKl7QM. I have never heard about this guy before!! How awful!
Flat_Truth ago
His organization worked to eradicate all laws against homosexuality....they went town by town, county by county, state by state in an organized effort to change the laws. In conjunction with the media networks....homosexuality was normalized....starting with his "scientific studies" that back in that era were completely fraudulent in their conclusions....but were made the basis of "scientific study" on human sexuality. His studies concluded that a large percentage of men were homosexual, and that a vast majority of married persons were promiscuous outside the marriage.....things that were not true at the time, but have been made to come to pass. His "studies" on children are still waiting in the wings to be rolled out and normalized.
Votescam ago
Wait a minute .... are you trying to suggest that gay marriage and recognition of homosexuality as a norm should be overturned because Kinsey supplied some of the information on that subject?
First, homosexuals were not always oppressed. In fact, even the Catholic Church held ceremonies for homosexual marriages. Clearly, homosexuality is inconvenient for a church which wants to own and control all human sexuality and base it in heterosexuality as a norm. And Kinsey had nothing to do with the Catholic Church's oppression of homosexuals which went so deep into the privacy of lives and families that the Church even moved families to reject and abandon their own children who were suspected of being homosexual.
This is an extremely naïve idea based on the theory that homosexuals can't love one another -- that men cannot love men and women cannot love women because they engage in something called "sodomy." Well, heterosexual couples also engage in sodomy -- cunnilingus and fellatio -- and anal sex (perhaps even because of restrictions on birth control brought about by the Catholic Church) is common in some Latin countries among heterosexual couples.
Another example of the common nature of homosexuality (where Kinsey had nothing to do with the information) is that in Brazil during the AIDS epidemic, doctors began to notice that many heterosexual married women were coming down with AIDS virus though they continued to affirm that they had no sexual contact with anyone but their own husbands and no illegal drug use.
Doctors in Brazil of course were also brain-washed by the Catholic Church and had no idea how many males in Brazil were married but also engaging in homosexual activity with other males. How many??? 30% of males in Brazil were discovered by doctors to be having sex with other males.
And, we haven't even gotten to the recognition of bi-sexuality as yet -- which kind of explains how confusing any get together can be anywhere in life, in any living room or at any party. (!!!)
Granted there are many questions about Kinsey/Rockefeller -- but don't use Kinsey as a way or excuse to attack homosexuals.
https://nacla.org/article/gender-sexuality-and-aids-prevention-brazil
Flat_Truth ago
I did not "attack homosexuals"....merely pointed out that it was an agenda of the Kinsey institute to normalize homosexuality in society; which it most certainly was. Granted its now normalized. If allowed their way, then in 50 years the majority would have the same reasoning towards pedofilia as they do now towards homosexuality. Fact is, homosexuality was illegal all across the country when the Kinsey institute started their endeavor. Fact is, the Kinsey institute worked tirelessly to abolish all laws against it, using Kinsey's "scientific findings". Fact is, the media networks worked hand in hand with the endeavor running both entertainment programming and news stories to normalize homosexuality. At this point there's no going back on it, but people might ought to recognize the entities behind that movement as they are the same entities behind now the now open movement towards "trans sexuals"....and also on their list of changes is the legalization of pedofilia. It is what it is.
Votescam ago
Flat -- What I hoped I was pointing out to you is that homosexuality and homosexual relationships are normal. And, we see homosexuality, heterosexuality and bi-sexuality throughout nature.
There are no victims in homosexual relationships which are adult and consentual. However, there are VICTIMS in pedophile assaults on children, infants, toddlers.
Again -- there is no comparison between homosexuality and pedophilia.
And clearly such reasoning is based in homophobia and religious views.
Notice that the Vatican/RCC which teaches a "norm" of heterosexuality, calls homosexuality an "aberration" though they have engaged in pedophilia since day #1 of the Catholic Church and dark forces within the church continue to try to protect the practice.
See: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/world/europe/vatican-abuse-panel-marie-collins.html?_r=0
The RCC has also engaged in SRA as reported by nuns who have been witnesses. Also keep in mind that 40% of Catholic nuns have been sexually abused .... by Catholic priests! http://apostasie.org/news.php?item.85.1 and http://childabuserecovery.com/court-witnesses-testify-eyewitnesses-confirm-that-pope-francis-raped-killed-children/ Make what you can of that, but numerous such reports by witnesses. There are NEW reports of sexual abuse and resistance at the Vatican to dealing with pedophile priests. Just had the link yesterday and will come back with it.
Again -- attack Kinsey if you wish, but don't use Kinsey to attack homosexuals. And note that I have no special esteem for Kinsey. And the reality is that networks/entertainment long denied even the mention of homosexuals or lesbians or bisexuality. And certainly had no programming based on such relationships until fairly recently.
Again, the oppression of homosexuals and the preaching against homosexuals is strongly related to the Catholic Church which for at least 1,000 years has preached hatred and intolerance for homosexuals from its pulpits. At one time the Catholic Church actually performed homosexual marriages as made clear in old Vatican documents. See: http://io9.gizmodo.com/gay-marriage-in-the-year-100-ad-951140108
And while trying to deny it, it seems you are more interested in pushing the point that homosexuality isn't normal than you are in addressing questions in regard to Kinsey.
Like African-Americans, homosexuals also delivered themselves to freedom and human rights by their own efforts. Anyone can look at both of those campaigns as among our most non-violent, the most brilliant and creative -- despite the violent rhetoric and physical attacks against them in both cases. Both AA's and Homosexuals/Lesbians have a great deal to be proud of in their campaign to attain civil and human rights.
Trans-sexuality is a situation we are all learning about now. And, amazingly some of the youngest transsexuals are managing to live and learn about their own lives and the complications of it while also trying to educate the public at the same time as to what trans-sexuality actually is all about. Do them the courtesy of trying to listen and learn with them. I don't think trans-sexuality is anything new, but rather something of a "coming out of the closet" as homosexuality has been.
And listen to the victims of pedophilia -- where this condition has been adopted by our CIA in MKULTRA to create new pedophiles via torture and sexual abuse for the purpose of Mind Control. Learn something about the issue being addressed here. About Mind Control and multiple personalities and the programming of those new personalities while the host is unaware, seemingly. Children who have been kidnapped into these programs have been used as homosexual prostitutes, as drug runners and as spies for espionage and blackmail for our own government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA Note that the specific records of Operation Monarch - part of MKULTRA were ordered destroyed by Dir. Richard Helms on his retirement.
PS: In closing thoughts on this, I'd also mention to you that before the "white" man in Hawaii the native people celebrated and honored homosexuals for their care of orphaned children. They were esteemed for it.
Clearly they were not in any way abusers of children.
I'd also point out to you that in Nature -- and I think one example would be elephants -- the young males are separated out from the family unit as they mature in order to avoid problems. This can be very sad as we view it being practiced but they go on to join other groups and to mature in what nature considers a healthful way, not only for the individual elephant, but for the groups/herds.
Also please note that in order to keep children safe, adults have to understand that our sexual abusers of children are MALES (even right wing women's groups agree with that) and that they are heterosexual males.
Homosexuals are 100X less likely to sexually abuse a child than a heterosexual male.
If you would like more information on the study published, I'd be happy to post it for you.
Flat_Truth ago
I get it. I do, I totally get it. What I am pointing out is that prior to the Kinsey institute Homosexuality, even adultery was illegal. It was the Kinsey's institute intention through nefarious means to change that. Much of the "knowledge" that makes it seem so normal.....was fabricated. Even in the TV shows, it shows homosexuals being good parents....news stories too. Those in cahoots with the Kinsey institute control those venues and by intention put out that imagery....which then becomes belief.
Fact of the matter is, historically, any society that has made what was known as "deviant" sexual behavior the norm.....has ended up a fallen society; they've met ruin. Historically that's the way it is. I no more condemn homosexuals than I do drug addicts....for its the same influence that has them both. But outside of the TV, please show me a homosexual couple that is aged and are living happily. Only in the news stories. How about the new trans sexual craze? All the kids are doing it....there was a 10 year old on the news the other day speaking out on the bathrooms. All I'm saying is its an agenda and not a good one. Pdeofilia is on their list of normalization....and they'll use the same brainwash tactics....."science has proven", coupled with portrayal in 1,000 different ways in the programming that its ok. Its already begun.....the last few television series I watched were slowly, subversively portraying pedofilia as normal.
For example in the plot of one....it was a mystery of a dead boy.....a who done it, in the end, it was the nicest guy on the show, the husband of the female cop who was having a homosexual relationship with the boy. Who would have ever thought of such a thing...what a shocker...but brings that behavior more into the norm.....in the viewer's mind...that sort of thing happens. Or in another series, the 15 year old girl was having a sexual relationship with an older man.....when the father found out and addressed her, a couple of things were portrayed....one that the young girl talked back to her father without due respect....something else which has been made the norm by intention.....and the story went, he married their mother while she was underaged...so its ok and the father conceded, having the guy over for dinner and taking him in....normalizing what is known as pedofilia.
Am not sure people comprehend what is done with the programming. Its one of those what came first, the chicken or the egg sort of things. Like did John Belushi's Animal House depict how college students behaved at the time, or did college students behave that way after that movie was seen by so many? Fast Times at Ridgemont High another example in that regard. Another good example of how theater is used to influence is the James Bond movie "Goldfinger", where the evil bad guys planned to steal all the gold out of Fort Knox....just fiction, just theater right? Oh no, it was pre emptive, after the movie a certain group of politicians sought to make law to move all the gold from Fort Knox to avoid something like was seen in the movie from happening......and the gold was moved. No accounting of that gold has taken place since.
Here's a movie that might open your eyes. Drop the defense of homosexuality, as the movie has nothing to do with that....but rather the nefarious influence that exists and how it operates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9FqGg1Im3A
Votescam ago
Flat -- Homosexuality was "illegal" because Catholic Church made it so -- same way they preached against Women and Jews from their pulpits in long campaigns of propaganda of hate to encourage violence against them.
Kinsey wanted to change a lot of things -- like missionary position and the fact that women rarely had orgasms in sexual intercourse with males/husbands. So did a lot of other people. That doesn't make Kinsey right in any molestation of a child or other abusive act in his research.
Homosexuals rose up in their own campaign for civil and human rights after a millennia of oppression - of being fired from their workplaces, of being forced into closets and actually being forced into marriages with women in order to hide from society. They were blackmailed if they were in government. That was all long before Kinsey.
Homosexual relationships between adults are no different from heterosexual relationships between adults. There is NO victim. "Child molestation" does create a victim.
No -- the husband of the female cop was not having a "homosexual" relationship with the young boy, the husband was a pedophile and NOT a homosexual. It is very confused thinking where we see those looking at these situations and thinking it is homosexual behavior rather than pedophile behavior. In the Sandusky case we see that many people still believe that it was homosexual activity because the victims were male. Pedophilia is based in AGE of the victim, not the gender.
What is believed of heterosexual males is that they are often involved in what is being called "situational" pedophilia; that is they may prefer to be with a woman, but they will abuse a child if there is no woman around.
Keep in mind that even the dumbest of males usually are smart enough not to engage in sex with someone under 16 because they can land in jail. And, of course, if the father were abetting this crime he could also be in jail.
"Brokeback Mountain" I think was the first of the movies about a homosexual relationship. "Carol" is another fairly current one. I think the AIDS era also helped in bringing forth info on homosexuality and their relationships and changed a lot of minds. The Ellen DeGeneres Show which dealt (comically) with her own homosexuality was a great help in enlightening the public.
Here's some history of film which may convince you -- but you'll also notice how much heterosexual males love to dress up as women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_homosexuality_in_American_film "The Children's Hour" which was remade in 1961 ... still did NOT make clear that the subject was homosexuality... it could only be suggested. https://www.timeout.com/london/film/the-50-best-gay-movies-the-best-in-lgbt-film-making
Agree with you on "Animal House" however -- yes, that seemed to be a tutorial on how to go to college and spend your time getting wasted.
"Fast Times at Ridgemont High" is a still popular movie which introduced themes of masturbation -- much as the Steinfeld show did much later on TV. It was only in 1992 that we had a Surgeon General/Clinton Administration who openly discussed masturbation. Another hidden subject in our society due to the repressive teachings of the Catholic Church. There isn't a human being on the planet who has reached maturity and hasn't masturbated. If a Church can control something as personal and private as masturbation they pretty much have control of the individual. If they can control the circumstances under which intercourse occurs between heterosexual couples where NO contraception is permitted, then they can control the entire family and the culture. That's what those restrictions are about ... and also, of course, to increase the membership of Catholic Churches. But those days are almost gone now, let's hope.
Can't at the moment watch the video -- will look at it tomorrow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9FqGg1Im3AYouTube
But while you're there, if you haven't seen Biden in action you should watch the videos.
Flat_Truth ago
Believe what you will......I do my own research and have come to the conclustion that the entities I mentioned are liars....many of their "facts" are not facts, yet are believed to be. I agree we disagree and am not interested in trying to relate my point. Good luck on things. At least we agree that the pedofilia aspect of the agenda is to be fought against. Glad you caught onto that. But....if you were not here and not involved with all of this....but instead living happility enjoying the programming and unaware....then in 50 years, you'd be fighting for the rights of pedofiles...because thats where society, including yourself would be if it is allowed to take its course....and there'd at that point be no reasoning with you that pedofilia was bad or part of some evil agenda, because you'd of been filled with facts otherwise...thanks to the trusted news sources, scientific establishments and the television/movie/musical programming.
Until that aspect of influence is recognized, then we're all in trouble.
Votescam ago
Flat -- There will NEVER be any time when I see someone hurt and victimized, tortured and sexually abused and would decide that there is anything whatsoever normal or legal about it -- and that's what pedophilia is.
When you compare pedophilia with homosexuality you are not only engaging in fanatical prejudice based on religious beliefs, but also ignoring the reality that it is Heterosexual sexual males who are 100X more likely to sexually abuse a child than a homosexual male.
And as studies show -- and from what can be seen of attitudes towards pedophiles on this website -- neither will the public ever accept pedophilie assault on children as anything but repulsive and criminal.
And that's also why in 2,000 years the Catholic Church and other male-supremacist religions have had to keep the pedophile behavior of their priests secret and to cover it up.
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Flat_Truth ago
As I said, I get it. I totally get your point of view. Not sure you're getting mine though :( Fact is, the Kinsey institute made it a specific endeavor to normalize homosexuality and adultery. They did so with fake facts.....where 50 years ago, the data in their studies showed a disproportionate, inaccurate...aka fraudulent number of people participated in those things. Kind of like the polls showing Hillary had a 93% chance of winning.....fake poll to influence and try to make it a reality.
Those same studies if you read them also determine that pefofilia doesn't cause any harm, is actually good for the children. Read the institute's studies for yourself. Its disgusting.
I guess my point is, 60 years ago when those studies were released (primarily just the aspect of homosexuality and adultery being so prevalent), nearly everyone thought both were disgusting. It was through media influence and fake science that the viewing audience came to believe the two acts normal. No, 38% of men were not homosexual in the 1950's....it was a lie....just like 93% were not planning on voting for Hillary. Glad they failed with the Hillary agenda.
The facts you state are directly given by those same sources. I know, I've seen the TV shows and news stories where the homosexual men are good parents. I've seen the statistics where homosexual men make better parents....but I no more believe that that I believe Hillary had a 99% chance of winning. Aren't all those around the pizza place homosexual men? Am sure they'd make fine parents....come to think of it, they do work with children a lot.......and love them....just look at Alaphantic's instagram.
In my case its not religious belief at all....its simply research, identification of source and discernment. To hear the news tell it, or the crooked politicians ascribed to that subversive group of which Kinsey was a part, or to see it portrayed in the entertainment programming.....then yeah, homosexuality is fine. To take a look at history, as I've said before...any culture that has normalized that has for whatever reason met its demise.
This is not to condemn homosexuals. I stated before, I no more condemn homosexuals than I do drug addicts. Homosexuals are even less to blame I suppose. The influence towards that was even stronger than the influence for people to do drugs. I am almost certain that contrary to popular belief....if a person had never heard of anyone being "homosexual", and were taught it wasn't a good thing......then they would likely never even think of doing that.....certainly wouldn't be rolling with the idea they were born that way. That whole "born that way" thing came from that same nefarious scientific community and its public relations spreading those "facts".
You say you will never endorse pedofilia.... I am just pointing out that if you were the age you are right now back then, and raised before Kinsey's works and that media influence started.......then you would have probably held the belief that you would never endorse homosexuality. Its been 50 years of conditioning...and didn't start with the Milk movie...there were several others. Klinger on Mash was one of the first influences...although they were not so bold as to portray him openly as homosexual......instead he was just dressing like a woman to try and get labeled crazy and get out of the army. The public wasn't ready for open portrayal of homosexuality on the television.....it took slow conditioning. That character in Mash was a precursor....most at the time had never heard of a man dressing as a woman...but it was comedy. Not too long before that show, most everyone was wise to not allow stories (books before TV and film) like that into their homes, schools or libraries....it was considered "lurid literature". Take a look around at American culture, aren't you glad they got over those phobias.
Same thing.....with Miley......we started off with Elvis....and the parents screamed "sacrilege"! But he wasn't that bad, it was one small step to where we are today. :(
Please get over any defense of homosexuality as I am not attacking it....I am pointing out the influence that brought it about, and that that influence has pedofilia on its agenda next. The influence towards it has already begun in the exact same way......scientific studies saying its normal and portrayal in the news and programming of it being normal. If left to takes its course, then 50 years from now, a couple generations down the road......people will be filled with facts and defend pedofilia as normal.
Votescam ago
Flat -- The Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage because the public understands that there is no victim involved in adult relationships between gays or lesbians and they wanted the discrimination and oppression of homosexuals stopped.
As I've said to you many times before, condemn Kinsey's studies all you want but don't try to use Kinsey as a weapon to support attacks on the civil and human rights of homosexuals.
You say ... "This is not to condemn homosexuals" but you do so with every word you speak.
And you are confusing consciousness raising and enlightenment to lift prejudices often spread by organized patriarchal religion with propaganda of lies spread by those same religions against homosexuals.
You often claim -- and I believe you -- that you do research, but clearly it's not with an open mind.
And it is also sadly clear that you are fanatically homophobic.
Good luck on that --
Flat_Truth ago
Another example...related to the night club shooting on the news......you have to wonder if that doctor has ever pulled bullets out of anything if he thinks the bullets from the .223 rifle used in the story were bigger than the bullets he usually pullled out of people from "the usual Saturday night shootings" (more influence....as if there's plenty of shootings on Saturday nights happening....normalizing that with such broadcast.....hoping to make it a reality). The bullets from a .223 are among the smallest bullets used by the public. The more common 9mm pistol has bullets more than twice as big.....the average hunting rifle of which there are far more in the public has bullets often 4 times as big. So is that even a doctor at all? Or an actor? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWOEBUy4Bs