Critical Review of Pizzagate (pizzagate)

submitted ago by kritypo

A Critical Review of Pizzagate

Introduction

In this text I shall use the "Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence" artictle from the Pizzagate subverse in voat.co as my main frame of reference.

Verified Creepiness

Comet Pizza / James Alefantis

James Alefantis and Comet Pizza Taking a look at James Alefantis's Instagram, the type of "art" both live shows and painted, which was exhibited in that "Comet Pizza" joint, on on top of that the specific invitation on their poster "for all ages" prove to me this is a sick perverted person with pretty clear hints for pedophilia tendencies.

I think that the use of the perverted/encrypted hashtags such as #chickenlovers and #killroom etc. by him and his Instagram friends show they probably consume prohibited sexual online content and refer to it in these graphical and textual posts. I don't believe any of said posts are subvert commercial/trade posts of prohibited child sex and child trafficking. I don't think it is a specific advertising to a specific "trade" or exchange but simply a sharing of a sick perverted opinions and content.

As for the Symbol itself with the crossed ping pong rackets, to me it is a possible but not a clear match to the butterfly pedophilia logo.

Tony Podesta

Clearly he is another sick perverted person. He hangs in his living room so called "art" which depicts abused children and youth, including clear suggestion to disposed bodies of child and youth victims. That is basically pornographic "art", which probably excites child predators and deeply disgusts and disturbs anybody who is not a psychopath or doesn't have pedophile tendencies. The weirdness continues with this guy keeping teddy bears and other child toys in display in his bedroom.

Just based on Tony (and apparently his wife's) taste for the arts I suspect this is a deeply disturbed and dangerous individual which shouldn't be anywhere near children.

From my understanding of the two Podestas it is mainly Tony who is buddy with fellow perv James Alefantis. The Podesta Brothers friendly relation to confirmed child sex predator Dennis Hastert also seems to run through Tony. It's Tony and Dennis who were college friends and travelled together to Japan and admits to still keeping in touch with Denny.

Unverified Creepiness

John Podesta - The "Clean" Brother?

With John Podesta I seem to lack direct evidence such as taste for the arts, friendly/personal relations with known or suspected pedophiles other than his brother. As far as I can see he has plausible deniability and nothing suspicious that really sticks on him personally.

Some Possibly Too Wild Inferences and Accusations

The Luzzatto Pool Party

That "suspicious" message where Ms. Luzzatto is accused by some of "offering her children as entertainment to pedophiles" had been itself or replies containing it, circulated to at least 19 people (you can count yourself the addresses in the TO and CC lines), emails domains which among private domains also public and commercial ones such as .gov, .washpost.com

It would be insane to solicitate child sex, for your own family children, in such a public and unsecured manner.

Reading the content itself, it seems completely innocent to me. There is no code there. It is goes a little bit humoristic about describing the entertainment factor of young children having fun in the pool, which hints it could be a little bit annoying to the adults. It speaks about perfectly normal and relevant details such as the weather and the pool being heated. No code, it's a normal text about a family event.

With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping up
again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to the farm
in Lovettsville.    And I thought I’d share a couple more notes:   We plan to
heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility.    Bonnie will be Uber Service to
transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have
some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure.   And with
the forecast showing prospects of some sun, and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I
suggest you bring sweaters of whatever attire will enable us to use our outdoor
table with a pergola overhead so we dine al fresco (and ideally not al-CHILLo).

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KnightsofHubris ago

Nice to see someone actually use critical reasoning and try to see how this would play out in the real world including the risks of being so "unsecured" as you put it. In fact, if it was you or me, would you use that your regular email with your name on it to discuss this stuff at all?

Why not use an anonymous email? So simple to create. Why use something that identifies you as John Podesta? Anytime a website wants me to sign up for something I still use my old AOL email named after one of the Dukes of Hazzard characters.

I think the the reaction to the Luzzatto email in particular is people just reading things with the most negative interpretation they could think of. Whether or not that is the most plausible interpretation. I don't think the raises any red flags whatsoever. I think it's a grandmother making a corny joke about entertainment.

couple of quibbles.

on top of that the specific invitation on their poster "for all ages" prove to me this is a sick perverted person with pretty clear hints for pedophilia tendencies.

All ages shows are a tradition in Washington DC for nearly almost 40 years, the venue, that started it in 1980, the 9:30 club is still one of DC's most popular rock clubs. Here's their policy.

Q: How old do you have to be to attend shows at 9:30? A: Unless otherwise posted our club is All-Ages, All The Time.

Q: My child wants to attend an all-ages show at 9:30, but I feel nervous? A: We’ve been doing all-ages shows for many years, but the decision to let your son or daughter come to a show here is obviously up to you as a parent. We suggest attending a show with your child so you can get a first-hand experience of how we run the club and treat our patrons. We’re confident that once you’ve been here you’ll feel comfortable about allowing your child to come to 9:30 shows.

Q: Do I need ID to enter the venue? A: An ID is only required if you plan on drinking alcohol. Because we are an all-ages venue we take checking ID’s very seriously. In compliance with DC laws anyone 21 and older who plans on drinking alcohol will have to show a valid, non-expired, government issued photo ID, no matter how old you think you may look. Anyone without proper ID, regardless of age, will be treated as under 21 and not allowed to buy, hold or drink alcohol. This policy is strictly enforced and any violation will result in immediate ejection from the venue.

The tradition grew out of a frustration of having to be old enough to drink to go see a rock show or have your fans see your show. Small bands who don't play big arenas mainly play bars where alcohol is the main source of profit. The rock scene in DC when it started was almost entirely underage, both bands and fans. One of the bands that started this tradition were still in high school when they starting playing shows, so this meant their main audience...ie their friends couldn't go see them play live. The choice they faced was either everyone gets fake ID or they find a place that would let them play and let their friends in. This same community later started a movement called "Straight Edge" kids who vowed to be straight, not take drugs or drink or even smoke cigarettes. This was highly unusual since getting wasted was the focus of the scene before them. The symbol the Straight Edge kids used is a big black X on their hands. This was how clubs that sold alcohol indicated who was not allowed to drink. If you had the big X on your hands, you couldn't buy beer.

All Ages might sound odd to folks not aware of what it really means, but it has nothing to do with pedophilia.

As for the Symbol itself with the crossed ping pong rackets, to me it is a possible but not a clear match to the butterfly pedophilia logo.

This is actually an incredible common design element. You can find clip art that matches almost exactly to what Comet used. In fact, if you google crossed paddles, the most common results are crossed oars, or kayak paddles as this is a very common symbol for Rowers or Crew teams. You can find tattoos like this

Crossed Ping Pong Paddles

crossed paddles image search

This is a good lesson in that even when are looking at things critical, we can completely misinterpret something if it's out of our ken.

Also enjoying good wine and cheese doesn't make you hedonist does it? I would think you would have to overindulge to be a hedonist.

kritypo ago

Thank you, it's very informative. I agree the Ping Pong logo itself seems an innocent symbol to a joint where people also play ping pong, and it is the crossed paddles is also the official table tennis logo. On the flip side I have seen enough of that Alefantis other stuff to suspect it could also mean to him more than that.

What's really interesting is the "All ages" tradition in DC. So it's like the default option for some or most clubs and dines to be "for all ages all the time" and put it by default on their leaflets and ads? I think that in this case Comet Pizza took advantage of this practice by allowing stuff that doesn't seem appropriate for little children to take place in an "all-ages" event.

KnightsofHubris ago

Of course you would put all ages on the flyer, you're marketing to that audience.

All ages shows almost never have little children at them, it college kids and some high schoolers. They shows are still late at night.

9:30 is all ages all the time. Others may to it on a show by show basis. Another reason to include that your advertising.