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AreWeSure ago

It's more that Pizzagate has never come close to proving a single thing.

At its core pizzagate makes a claim that John Podesta used coded language in his emails to hide pedophilia which then became human trafficking which then became Satanic ritual abuse which then became Cannibalism and so on and so on. (Have you heard about the pig farms?) Then people started looping in every single other case they could find and claiming it's a single ring and is part of an elite conspiracy going back generations.

None of this makes any sense to someone who doesn't already hate Hillary Clinton AND have deeply held beliefs in preexisting elite conspiracies.

You don't have to do anything to debunk it. The term I used is Prebunked.

People started making outrageous claims or outright lies about the emails and these quickly became accepted as fact. For example, you make the claim EMW was a hired actor. Surely you know, there's no proof of that correct? It's a story pizzagaters have told themselves and the deeply believe it.......see preexisting conspiracy theories above.....but the evidence they have is tissue paper thin. Folks think they can make a bunch of connections of tissue paper thin pieces of evidence and built a 100 grade battleship chain out of tissue. But upon the slightest examination the whole thing falls apart.

Pizzagaters have shown absolutely zero instances of coded messages in Joh Podesta emails. Some meanings are unknown. Some of the code highlighted by pizzagaters is demonstrably false.

If you want to point to any code, I'll give my thoughts.

We are all prone to confirmation bias and conspiratorial thinking and making more of random coincidence than we should. It's how the human brain works. You need to be on guard and practice checking your thinking if you don't want to fall for a false story you are telling yourself, not the real story. Our brains love storytelling and when we see gaps or ambiguity, we can creative narrative links that seems to make sense and seem to hold everything together, but we are really just kidding ourselves.

Basically if are not a person prone to the confirmation biases inherent in the pizzagate origin story, the whole thing sounds ridiculous.

EDIT: I don't get to post many comments so, I just keep editing this post.

Note: Please understand I'm not going to respond to a Gish Gallop of evidence. I'm not interested how long a chain you made. I would like to go back to the very beginning to take individual links from the emails and see if the pizzagate assertions about them amount to anything. Another issue with this is folks determined to make Podesta look bad will be ultra-literal in reading of evidence. To someone who doesn't have that confirmation bias, basic reading comprehension would tell you this is not being used literally.

EDIT: @Antiracist2

But it's not like we picked any random symbol in the emails and connected it to any matching random symbol in reality. The triangle spiral or doubleheart is not used anywhere at all within the emails. This is a great example of conflating outside material with the primary evidence.

It's that the symbol that was picked was used in coded language, pizza, More importanly, these symbols existed before pedophile adopted them and the symbols are fairly common graphic eleements and the "code words" are exceedingly common. You then have the giant, giant hurdle of showing that people using the word pizza or a spiral motif even know about the existence of this code, let alone are using that code. Am I supposed to stop using the word pizza because idiots on 4chan adopted it?

Let me put it this way? Have you ever owned a red bandana? Every had it your back pocket? Does that you mean you advertising your sexual preferences? I certainly have owned red bandanas. I may have even worn them in back pocket. And yet I did completely unaware of its meaning to a small subculture.

and a pizza place was visited by Hilary and has an owner who seems to have undue power When did Hillary visit Comet Ping Pong? This is an unproven assertion. Comet Ping Pong held a political fundraiser for her. But anybody can do that. It doesn't mean the politician is going to show up. The Podesta emails show Podesta wasn't even going to attend. I contend the bit about Alefantis's "power" is an overly literal reading of a fluff magazine piece. I believe a pair of party planners was also on that list.

Plus there was that spirit cooking stuff Yes, edgy performance art. Zero connection to any crime.

EDIT @toodrunktofuck Congrats on acknowledging this is a theory based on circumstantial evidence. Too few people acknowledge that. Despite that people refer to Clinton, Podesta, Alefantis, et al definitely as child molesters, criminals, traffickers etc. This is what I think the press refers to when they said debunked.

EDIT @anonOpenPress

you make the claim EMW was a hired actor ... they make a claim he was not ... Now, which party has more support for their claim?

There's zero evidence EMW did not act out of his own volition. Zero evidence anyone hired him. The story that he was a paid actor started almost immediately based on preexisting conspiratorial beliefs. Government run false-flags are so commonly discussed as to be a cliche. It's template you can put on any event, a template you can use without a single bit of evidence EMW chose to do what he did.

this is not about politics, it's about children)

For many people this is also about their Anti-Mason or Anti Illuminati or anti-NWO anti-government or anti-MSM media beliefs. The idea of dropping the nonsense with the weak evidence and focusing energy on genuine human trafficking that is out there is anathema to them. It would threaten their beliefs. If you gave them the chance to actually help children, but they had to recognize the truth, that they were mislead about Podesta or Alefantis, they would never take it. Helping children simply wouldn't be enough for them.

And since you asked... You don't "do pizza", and definitely you don't "do pizza or sell it" (you make it or bake it, depending where' you are from) You don't "love to get a pizza for an hour" (why not for a day, you probably ask on this)

I don't. You don't. But so what? This proves absolutely nothing. Perhaps Tony Podesta does talk that way. You have no baseline for comparison. You have no clue how he speaks. FBI investigators are trained that when you interview someone and their knees are shaking and they can't look you in the eye that DOES NOT prove deceptive behavior. Because you have to first find out how the person regularly behaves. They are trained to ask a series of neutral questions before any accusatory questions and notice changes in behavior. Because you as an outsider find something strange doesn't equal this is coded talk. The love to get a pizza for an hour thing has never bothered me at all because John Podesta has a crammed schedule. I've always read this as equivalent, "can you get away for an hour to grab lunch?" And pizza is a meal you can do in an hour.

"As John said, it doesn't get any better than this" (picture of a girl eating the same slice with an adult)

Do you know the actual story about that? It's a completely appropriate what Podesta says and a very human response. Frankly, this to me is a test if you are approaching this story rationally. The two women in the photo are Euna Lee and Laura Ling, reporters working a story about North Korean defectors. They were working on the Chinese side of the border. They got a tip from a source that he could give them a scoop. In reality, he was double-crossing them to North Korea. He convinced them to go with him across the border to North Korea. Once they did they were arrested. The girl in the photo is Euna Lee's daughter. They had just been released from 140 days of captivity in a North Korean prison. I believe that photo was the first time the two reporters got together back in the US. They were home, free and eating pizza with their family. I ask you, person to person, does it get any better than that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_imprisonment_of_American_journalists_by_North_Korea http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/freed-journalists-laura-ling-euna-lee-call-captivity-n-korea-nightmare-article-1.395031

Are_we_sure ago

@libertyforhumanity

The only problem with your theory of people trying to find confirmation bias for pedogate is that nobody actually wants this to be true.

I completely disagree with that. The folks who I learned about pizzagate from were absolutely gleeful about it mainly due to political reasons. Also think of all the folks on here who want their worldview validated who want people to be "redpilled."

Further, if you're so sure then go collect your $50,000 reward from the pizzagate.com website. Why not not go through the sourced material in detail and debunk it yourself listing off your reasons and explanations for all the points? Because they would never pay me. I made a thread on that here. They don't actually make a series of factual claims. They make a series of their opinions which are undebunkable. For example, I don't deny there's a picture of a girl with masking tape on JA's instagram. I deny their conclusion which that is evidence of abuse. To me the girl looks very happy. They have some things are falsifiable, but very few. One of the is Louise Bourgeois's sculpture the Arch of Hysteria is absolutely not inspired by Jeffrey Dahmer. The Dahmer case happened before she made the statue, but the crime scene photos were not released at that time. They were leaked years later. She has also been quite clear of what her inspiration was. Also that is one of a series she did. I believe the first one was done before the Dahmer case.....can't definitely say this, but a lot of her work that was in the exhibition where they Arches of Hysteria debuted was conceived of years earlier.

You conveniently don't mention some of the obvious strange connections such as Laura Silsby or the sketches of the Podesta brothers in the McCann case and so on.

I don't. Like I said this is from outside the Podesta emails. Does he mention Silsby? Maybe he does. However, I have seen zero evidence that Hillary Clinton knew who she was prior to her being arrested. I never saw her as a sex trafficker/organ seller and still don't. I've always viewed Silsby as Christian Missionary wacko type.

The sketches are totally weird. However, the police say BOTH sketches are supposed to be the same man a man between 20 and 40 years old. They have said that on the day the sketches came out.

Also both of these are very common features of conspiratorial thinking called anomaly hunting. It's focusing on the weird details at the expense of the whole. If you want to ignore the fact that neither John nor Tony Podesta could be confused for being 20 years old at the time of her kidnapping, this may become more significant for you.

Posts like this are only here to try and cause confusion and doubt in the minds of those trying to get to the bottom of what is obviously suspicious material. I see it as calling for some intellectual honesty and appropriate use of reason and critical thinking. But we all have our own point of view. Sometimes a pizza is just a pizza as someone said.