Reminder: YOU are responsible for proving YOUR claims. Do not tell other people to do research if they doubt your unsourced claim. (pizzagate)

submitted ago by madmanpg

Folks, I've had to repeat this a disturbing amount of times, so let's review how investigations work.

You have an idea that some sort of activity is happening, perpetrated by a person or persons. In order to demonstrate this to others, you search for and document evidence to support your idea. You then present this documented evidence to others in order to convince them that your idea is correct.

That's how the process of convincing people of something you believe works.

It is NOT where you throw out an idea with no evidence whatsoever, and then tell people to go find the evidence on their own.

That's called bullshit. There's plenty in the world already. Don't dump yours here.

I'm sorry to have to sound like an asshole here, but I'm fed up with the amount of assholes on this site that seem to think that their bullshit is contributing to Pizzagate. It isn't. When you make wild claims with nothing more than "I remember someone saying this, go look it up", you are not helping anyone. You are just making noise. Stop it. Either cite the evidence for what you are saying, or shut the fuck up and stop cluttering a serious investigation with your speculation.

I'm not talking to most people here, but the people I'm talking about either know who they are and need to knock off their bullshit, or they're too stupid to have brought anything to this site to begin with.

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VieBleu ago

quit posting only the source without any real investigative aspect.

That really got a good foothold with all the breathless "NEED HELP! CODED STARS = SATAN!!" posts. It set a tone that is essentially a misunderstanding of what the forum's purpose is. It was a specific group, possibly less active right now, that upvoted each other and changed names regularly, but others would then follow their bad example, treating the main page like a whiteboard to throw up a list of links on anything that gave them a "hint of evil" and then collectively group search to find more 5 pointed stars for example in people's Instagrams, rush back to post just about anything and everything without discretion, discernment or much analysis, and then collectively finger point at all the "evil doing" they had found. I'm hoping they have basically exhausted themselves.

redditsuckz ago

Take for example The Whitmore Farm with its Satanic Pentagrams on its barn doors;

http://i.imgur.com/PFE3Bkv.jpg

That alone is not enough to raise suspicion but Satanic Pentagrams combined with;

James Alefantis is a gay Satanist

The owners of the Whitmore Farm Will Morrow and Kent Ozkumare are both gay

James Alefantis was 100% at the Farm and took pictures with baby caris

Its also a pig farm - good place to get rid of bodies

The farm has multiple large walk-in freezers

The baby loved the farm;

http://i.imgur.com/z5nQhUC.jpg

Jame Alefantis makes jokes about raping the baby in the butt;

http://i.imgur.com/L3zae7e.jpg

James Alefantis makes more jokes about "Butt" with the Farm pic;

"we had nothing to do with this - butt know how it feels...and were all there to see it"

http://i.imgur.com/N7X1SK9.png

This alludes to anal rape as they might have taken baby Caris to the Satanic Farm while the owners Will Morrow and Kent Ozkumare raped baby Caris while the babys family and their friends stood around and watched like Satanic Ritual Abuse victim Kim Noble depicts in her art;

http://i.imgur.com/Qf5yOTs.jpg

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1586134

VieBleu ago

Don't be disingenuous. You know I'm talking about irresponsible posts like the one faekitty had to delete out of embarrassment about Alefantis' associate who went to dinner at American Girl and had stars or swirls whatever. That could have caused an incident, you all are just lucky she got away with it and it wasn't held up by the media as the kind of harrassment that they are looking for.

Anyway, I don't care to argue. Let's focus on moving forward.

redditsuckz ago

You will like this post then;

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1472656

And that poster is now a mod...

VieBleu ago

lol - let's face it, this place has a lot of tripe thrown up, and the decisions about what stays up or doesn't is mostly arbitrary and hapless despite the so called "rules". It's okay, it's all a CIA limited hangout anyway. It's like prison, it isn't supposed to be nice.

it was a chapter, the stuff I complain about. Its mostly over. The group got much more responsible esp after the faekitty incident.

Here's a symbol for you - http://clipart-library.com/olive-branch.html

VieBleu ago

Funny thing is, all these stars Americans are decorating their barn doors and christmas trees with come from catalogs and stores that source from China, so Hong Kong is ironically the source of all this SATANISM!

A mound of circumstantial evidence is exactly that - an argument - but just a portion of that gets put up and then every hair brained mary in the congregation hunts through every instagram they can find and throws up 300 comments - LOOK MORE STARS - CONNECTED BY STARS HERE EVERYBODY STARRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZ ... and on and on it goes with swirls, twirls, triangles, pyramids and with whatever the symbol de jour happens to be.

This stuff would not be used in a court of law. It is for finger pointing and condeming and saying "THEY ARE FLAUNTING IT IN OUR FACES" a hundred times.

And then the anger ANGER ANGER when anyone questions this crowd's conclusions - The memorable phrase "go neck yourself" was created by Yoichi S. for any skeptic of this god-given trove of pure awakening. How can you question when we KNOW WE KNOW it is pure evil, etc. YOU must be illuminati, a shill, a priest, a pedo, a politician, Alefantis or Satan Himself.

This is only one component of why voat fails. The real vile shills are much worse and there's more of them.