To be fair people in the US don't have to explain shit about their taste in art. No matter how weird or tasteless someone else thinks it is. Freedom and all that.
In normal circumstances I would agree but we're talking about the possibility of child abuse and torture on a huge scale here. The least they could do is to provide a simple explanation of why they collect this kind of artwork... the problem though is that there is no innocent explanation... hence the sound of crickets.
Be realistic, an explanation to his taste in art would do nothing and to my point people can have whatever taste in art they want with no explanation required. The art isn't the issue but Flynn is making it an issue which is kind of a dumb argument to fight on. Not even sure why my comment is being downvoted unless people hate freedom. The things people disagree with are the most important ones to fight for. I'm talking about art here for those too ignorant to realize that.
I'm having a hard time believing that you don't understand why you are being downvoted. Come on, this place is filled with loving parents who want to protect children from predators. What you call art is child abuse on paintings for most of us. The fact that you come here and try to argue that hey it's just art is not going to be well received and it's easy to understand why. We're here for the kids, not to protect shady individuals who want to express themselves with their creepy art.
The disgusting artwork is a strong argument, not a dumb one. It's the argument that is the most likely to wake up the masses about what is happening
That is absurd. I am also a loving parent and an artist. I'll always stand up for art and I don't give a fuck how well it is received. If you can't separate art from the person there is something wrong with you. Latching onto the art when there are so many other legitimate things to criticize is pretty petty and overall stupid. What's "creepy art" to you may be beautiful art to another. And guess what? You can both be right. and both be wrong. That's the great thing about art.
I'm not here to protect the freedom of these people, understand? Fuck their freedom. We're here for the kids.
And no, this is not art and this is not beautiful no matter how you try to spin it. If you think abused kids and dead kids on paintings is beautiful then I think there is something wrong with you, not me.
I'm not here to protect the freedom of these people, understand? Fuck their freedom
When it comes to art 1 person's freedom is everyone's freedom. You want to "fuck their freedom"? Then focus on the real shit and not his taste in art. Shit like that is why people won't take pizzagate seriously. Bad taste in art isn't a crime. Art you don't like isn't a crime either.
And no, this is not art and this is not beautiful no matter how you try to spin it. If you think abused kids and dead kids on paintings is beautiful then I think there is something wrong with you, not me.
I never said it was beautiful, why do so many people have trouble with reading comprehension. What I'm saying is people have a right to whatever art they want and someone's art choice doesn't make them whatever kind of person they are. and that latching onto the art when there are so many other legit things is stupid. You can make all the stupid inferences and judgements you want but you're just being distracted from the real issue. None of this means I support him and am not also here for the kids. I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.
Shit like that is why people won't take pizzagate seriously.
Shit like this is why people will take pizzagate seriously. I'm convinced most people see these images and immediately think "What the fuck is wrong with these people?". I'm not saying we should put them in jail just for that. Of course not. But this raises huge red flags. If I had these kind of paintings in my house, no one would want to be my friend and no one would want to leave me their kids. They would be damn right. Who in their right mind could trust a dude who fill his house with paintings of abused or dead children? No one. Your instinct will scream to you to back off from this individual, to turn your back and run as fast as you can. That's because it is not normal for a human being to enjoy these kind of things. Most people realize this instinctively.
I never said it was beautiful, why do so many people have trouble with reading comprehension. What I'm saying is people have a right to whatever art they want and someone's art choice doesn't make them whatever kind of person they are. and that latching onto the art when there are so many other legit things is stupid. You can make all the stupid inferences and judgements you want but you're just being distracted from the real issue. None of this means I support him and am not also here for the kids. I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.
Like I said, we won't throw anyone in jail because they like these paintings. This is not the issue. The issue is that in the context of pizzagate, these paintings are extremely significant.
Tell what to the judge? The truth is anyone can collect any art they want no matter how much you don't like it. The truth hurts I guess so you can fuck off.
Like I said above, I'm strictly talking about the art. It wouldn't matter is he was a saint or a serial killer the art would have nothing to do with it. That's why I don't see why Flynn is saying "explain the artwork" it's a lame argument when there are obviously so many better ones that could be made.
True, but the freedom to do so also lets people see those red flags. Just like an American can use freedom of speech to actually be a Neo-Nazi and call for the death of Jews, it makes everyone around that person know he feels that way and to be wary of him.
Also it gives the prosecutor a ton of ammunition if and when criminal charges are being tried.
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Long_Knife ago
To be fair people in the US don't have to explain shit about their taste in art. No matter how weird or tasteless someone else thinks it is. Freedom and all that.
newworldahead ago
In normal circumstances I would agree but we're talking about the possibility of child abuse and torture on a huge scale here. The least they could do is to provide a simple explanation of why they collect this kind of artwork... the problem though is that there is no innocent explanation... hence the sound of crickets.
Long_Knife ago
Be realistic, an explanation to his taste in art would do nothing and to my point people can have whatever taste in art they want with no explanation required. The art isn't the issue but Flynn is making it an issue which is kind of a dumb argument to fight on. Not even sure why my comment is being downvoted unless people hate freedom. The things people disagree with are the most important ones to fight for. I'm talking about art here for those too ignorant to realize that.
newworldahead ago
I'm having a hard time believing that you don't understand why you are being downvoted. Come on, this place is filled with loving parents who want to protect children from predators. What you call art is child abuse on paintings for most of us. The fact that you come here and try to argue that hey it's just art is not going to be well received and it's easy to understand why. We're here for the kids, not to protect shady individuals who want to express themselves with their creepy art.
The disgusting artwork is a strong argument, not a dumb one. It's the argument that is the most likely to wake up the masses about what is happening
Long_Knife ago
That is absurd. I am also a loving parent and an artist. I'll always stand up for art and I don't give a fuck how well it is received. If you can't separate art from the person there is something wrong with you. Latching onto the art when there are so many other legitimate things to criticize is pretty petty and overall stupid. What's "creepy art" to you may be beautiful art to another. And guess what? You can both be right. and both be wrong. That's the great thing about art.
newworldahead ago
I'm not here to protect the freedom of these people, understand? Fuck their freedom. We're here for the kids.
And no, this is not art and this is not beautiful no matter how you try to spin it. If you think abused kids and dead kids on paintings is beautiful then I think there is something wrong with you, not me.
Long_Knife ago
When it comes to art 1 person's freedom is everyone's freedom. You want to "fuck their freedom"? Then focus on the real shit and not his taste in art. Shit like that is why people won't take pizzagate seriously. Bad taste in art isn't a crime. Art you don't like isn't a crime either.
I never said it was beautiful, why do so many people have trouble with reading comprehension. What I'm saying is people have a right to whatever art they want and someone's art choice doesn't make them whatever kind of person they are. and that latching onto the art when there are so many other legit things is stupid. You can make all the stupid inferences and judgements you want but you're just being distracted from the real issue. None of this means I support him and am not also here for the kids. I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.
newworldahead ago
Shit like this is why people will take pizzagate seriously. I'm convinced most people see these images and immediately think "What the fuck is wrong with these people?". I'm not saying we should put them in jail just for that. Of course not. But this raises huge red flags. If I had these kind of paintings in my house, no one would want to be my friend and no one would want to leave me their kids. They would be damn right. Who in their right mind could trust a dude who fill his house with paintings of abused or dead children? No one. Your instinct will scream to you to back off from this individual, to turn your back and run as fast as you can. That's because it is not normal for a human being to enjoy these kind of things. Most people realize this instinctively.
Like I said, we won't throw anyone in jail because they like these paintings. This is not the issue. The issue is that in the context of pizzagate, these paintings are extremely significant.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
Sometimes "art" is just a fancy way of saying porn. Re: Jeff Koons.
Long_Knife ago
Last I checked porn was legal in the US too.
bbylon ago
But child-porn isn't.
Long_Knife ago
No one said it was...
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
Well, hanging it a museum doesn't make it any less porn. And he sure as hell shouldn't be getting medals for it - http://archive.is/KEEr0
Long_Knife ago
To each their own
madhatter67 ago
The problem is....These people have power...They also appear to have sick morbid anti life obsessions....
That bothers me....As does their secrecy....Especially as they would invade our privacy
Long_Knife ago
And attacking art doesn't change any of that. It just distracts.
Don-Keyhote ago
Somine posted an article purporting to prove that modern art movement was CIA
StreisandEffect ago
Money laundering. Not just CIA. Many bad actors.
con77 ago
your fukn freedom ends where the well being of kids begins
Long_Knife ago
My freedom to collect weird art you may not agree with doesn't end at all no matter wtf is going on in the world.
con77 ago
not all opinions are equally valid. There is a thing such as truth. Tell it to the judge you sick pedo pervert.
Long_Knife ago
Tell what to the judge? The truth is anyone can collect any art they want no matter how much you don't like it. The truth hurts I guess so you can fuck off.
con77 ago
some things are inexcusable. Like your defending podesta and his despicable "art".
Long_Knife ago
Like I said in another post since your reading comprehension is lacking, this was only referring to the art not him.
madhatter67 ago
So what is your opinion of Skippy? Think he's ever diddled a kid?
Long_Knife ago
Like I said above, I'm strictly talking about the art. It wouldn't matter is he was a saint or a serial killer the art would have nothing to do with it. That's why I don't see why Flynn is saying "explain the artwork" it's a lame argument when there are obviously so many better ones that could be made.
neodevi ago
True, but the freedom to do so also lets people see those red flags. Just like an American can use freedom of speech to actually be a Neo-Nazi and call for the death of Jews, it makes everyone around that person know he feels that way and to be wary of him.
Also it gives the prosecutor a ton of ammunition if and when criminal charges are being tried.
Mrs_Ogynist01 ago
Good point!