Sorry you feel that way. I guess someday you'll find out if your right or not. Better HOPE your right. But there seems to be a fair amount of people that believe in Satan, just like people believe in God.
Yes, I know. I've heard Satanist say they don’t believe in either God or Satan. I've heard them say they call themselves Satanist for shock value! But my question is why even bother? If you don't believe in Heaven or Hell, why join a church just to mock something you don't agree with, or like?
It's not for shock value, it's because the ethical system we practice is the antithesis of the weak moral code preached by your pathetic stick god. Satan represents the adversary of the blind belief and self abnegation that Christianity represents. I guarantee that if you meet a Satanist in real life (and you have I'm sure) they would never, ever mention it because it's a personal code, not a religion.
Love is not weak. Love binds us, love gives meaning to our social constructs, love is - for the luckiest of us - the bond that holds our best relationships together. Why do you say that love is weak?
Kindness is not weakness. Kindness in a man may reveal a generous spirit, a benevolent nature, a willingness to give of the self. You must be careful of kindness though, some wear it as a mask to hide great darkness and cruelty. Kindness shows great merit in the giver, but it must be a voluntary giving. Under no circumstance should a man be expected to be kind if he feels it is not deserved.
Did you even read what I wrote? Satanism isn't about being selfish, it's about the fundamental self. Each one of us is a (more or less) equal consciousness in a vast, cold, and uncaring universe. Satanism is about the relationships between different actors, each of whom have a different self, different motivations, goals, aspirations, needs, beliefs, desires, and places in the world. A Satanist realizes that his own self is not fundamentally different from that of others except insofar that it is his own.
Well, for myself and the majority of Satanists I've talked to, it's not a church. I mean, we don't gather together and do Satany things together. I'm sure there are some Satanists who do, but I've never talked to them. It's a personal ethical code.
Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Don't tell others your problems unless you're sure they want to hear them.
Be respectful in other people's territory.
If somebody in your territory annoys you treat him cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make unwanted sexual advances.
Don't take things you don't own unless you're asked to.
If you've used magic to obtain your desire then don't deny that it works.
Don't complain about anything you make a choice to subject yourself to.
Dont' harm children.
Don't harm animals except in self defense or for food.
When in public don't bother anybody. If somebody bothers you ask him to stop. If he won't stop then destroy him.
Let me first say, that I'm a Christian, and I do not and will not judge you, or your beliefs. Everyone has to walk his own path. 8
Some of your codes seem to be common sense. Though I know there are many people out there don't seem to have any common sense! :)
Also, let me say sorry, because I believe I'm about to break your code 1.
The thing that strikes me the most about your codes is how ISOLATING they are?
Don't talk to anyone about your problems stands out the most to me!
Everyone has problems from time to time. To have to bottle those problems up, and not talk about them seem very painful!
For me if a friend or family member has a problem.
I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT! I WANT TO HELP THEM!
Because you see for ME, helping you, or listening to you is NOT a burden. It's NOT an imposition. It makes ME FEELGOOD.
I know there are people that would say I'm make weak, emotional, or easily taken advantage of, but I'm NOT. Taking YOUR burdens on, on top of MY own burdens makes me incredibly STRONG.
My hope is that if I help YOU out when you're having a tough time, then maybe YOU'LL help me out later when I'm having a tough time.
Or, maybe you won't.
It doesn't really matter to me. You don't have too. Because like I said helping you out makes ME FEEL GOOD!
So in away it's a puely selfish act on my part. And also, my religion teaches me there's always HOPE for the future!
So I know that if in the future you decide you won't listen to me, or help me out, my God will send me someone else that will.
As a Satanist I feel I must tell you that I absolutely do judge both you and your beliefs. Judgement is the foremost attribute of mankind, it is what sets us apart from the beasts. Your religion is a farce, a social construct engineered by a ruthless elite to make you into docile herd animals so that they can slaughter you at their pleasure. I despise your religion and what it stands for, and I want to see it destroyed because I believe it is one of the worst atrocities ever visited upon humankind.
This is a forum for discussion, you're not breaking rule 1. Even if you were, they're more guidelines that hard rules like the Ten Commandments. I welcome your opinion, to the betterment of both of us.
I think you misunderstand the spirit of the rule "Do not tell your problems to others unless you are sure they want to hear them". This is a rule which is primarily about respecting others. Basically, it means not to burden others with things that aren't their fault or problem. Every person has their own problems, and their own burdens to bear, and it is extremely disrespectful to add yours to theirs. That doesn't mean you can't talk about your problems, it just means that you should be sure about your relationship with the person you are talking to and know that: A, they care enough about you that they want to know about it; B. the knowledge wouldn't be a burden that it's unreasonable to ask the person to bear. Would I tell my problems to my wife? Absolutely, she's my partner in this life and our burdens are mutual. Would I tell a friend? Probably not all of my burdens, but part of friendship is sharing burdens, so in some cases yes. Would I tell a boss or subordinate? No. It's not their problem, and they don't deserve to have to deal with it. It's not about bottling things up, it's about making sure that what your saying is appropriate to your audience.
If you help me I will pay my debt if I am able. It would be very disrespectful to do otherwise.
God doesn't exist, and I hope someday the universe lets you understand that. In any case, thank you for the discussion, and best of luck in our battle against these pedophile freaks.
I understand what your saying, but I think there's huge difference in the way we look at things, and what we each consider respectful.
I don't see that someone telling me their problems is being disrespectful. Whether we're really good friends, or not.
If you came to me with your problems, I would actually be flattered that you thought so much of my opinion, you would come to me and tell me your problems.
It would actually make me feel pretty good about myself, and that's NOT a bad thing.
I understand that not everyone feels this way, but there are a lot of people that do.
Also, I don't think it's disrespect for someone to ask me to help pay a bill.
Contrary to popular belief most people feel embarrassed and degraded when they have to ask someone to help them pay bills.
So again, for me it's very flattering that you ask me for help.
It means you trust me enough to not turn away from you, or to redicule you when you come to me at a VERY LOW point in your life, and ask for help.
To me that's the defintion of respect. I trust you, I believe in you, and I know you can help me, or at least will try.
Also, again I have to disagree. There IS a God, and I pray that someday soon you'll realize that.
Thank you too for the discussion, I'm always interested in learning opposing views.
Ok, let's role-play this a bit. You're you, your name is Sally, and you work at the local corner store. I'm me, my name is Bob, and I've worked with you for going on three years, on the same night shift. We fucked a couple times the first year, but there really wasn't any chemistry, and since then we've been buddies at work and incommunicado outside of work. I'm going to tell you three problems I've had and we'll see how you react to each.
First one: Hey Sally, how's it Going?
S'alright, Bob, how are you?
Not great, i hit a cat with my car on the way to work, i feel so bad.
Telling me you ran over your cat and your having a bad day, is NOT a burden to me. I'm not going to internalize it. It's not going to effect MY day.
It actually helps me to understand why, your in a bad mood and your doing a crappy job at work.
No, I'm not covering for you at work so you can go spy on your wife. BUT you can tell me WHY you think your wife's cheating on you.
Maybe MY perspective might help you realize your paranoid, or maybe she really is cheating on you.
Either way, whether she is, or isn't cheating on you doesn't effect me or my world. I'm going to continue to work, and live my life.
You see from what I've seen your religion doesn't believe in forgiveness.
But my religion teaches forgiveness is essential, to being forgiven.
So even though this guy hurt me in the past, I can forgive him for it, and move on with my life.
I don't wish him harm. It comes back to me helping you, and you hopefully helping me, later on if I need it.
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rodental ago
God exists exactly as much as Satan: not at all.
I_have_my_gun_ready ago
Sorry you feel that way. I guess someday you'll find out if your right or not. Better HOPE your right. But there seems to be a fair amount of people that believe in Satan, just like people believe in God.
rodental ago
I consider myself a mild Satanist, but I believe in neither God nor Satan nor any other superstitious nonsense.
I_have_my_gun_ready ago
Yes, I know. I've heard Satanist say they don’t believe in either God or Satan. I've heard them say they call themselves Satanist for shock value! But my question is why even bother? If you don't believe in Heaven or Hell, why join a church just to mock something you don't agree with, or like?
rodental ago
It's not for shock value, it's because the ethical system we practice is the antithesis of the weak moral code preached by your pathetic stick god. Satan represents the adversary of the blind belief and self abnegation that Christianity represents. I guarantee that if you meet a Satanist in real life (and you have I'm sure) they would never, ever mention it because it's a personal code, not a religion.
I_have_my_gun_ready ago
Why you think love and kindness are weak is complete BEYOND me!!?? It seems to me that your sterile codes are more WEAKER than mine.
It's EASY to turn away from trouble. It's EASY to care ONLY about YOURSELF!
How much MORE of an EFFORT do I HAVE TO MAKE to care about YOU? To NOT just look after MYSELF, but to care for myself and others?
My beliefs seem to require a LOT MORE EFFORT on my part, and MUCH more discipline than your codes.
rodental ago
Love is not weak. Love binds us, love gives meaning to our social constructs, love is - for the luckiest of us - the bond that holds our best relationships together. Why do you say that love is weak?
Kindness is not weakness. Kindness in a man may reveal a generous spirit, a benevolent nature, a willingness to give of the self. You must be careful of kindness though, some wear it as a mask to hide great darkness and cruelty. Kindness shows great merit in the giver, but it must be a voluntary giving. Under no circumstance should a man be expected to be kind if he feels it is not deserved.
Did you even read what I wrote? Satanism isn't about being selfish, it's about the fundamental self. Each one of us is a (more or less) equal consciousness in a vast, cold, and uncaring universe. Satanism is about the relationships between different actors, each of whom have a different self, different motivations, goals, aspirations, needs, beliefs, desires, and places in the world. A Satanist realizes that his own self is not fundamentally different from that of others except insofar that it is his own.
rodental ago
Well, for myself and the majority of Satanists I've talked to, it's not a church. I mean, we don't gather together and do Satany things together. I'm sure there are some Satanists who do, but I've never talked to them. It's a personal ethical code.
Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Don't tell others your problems unless you're sure they want to hear them.
Be respectful in other people's territory.
If somebody in your territory annoys you treat him cruelly and without mercy.
Do not make unwanted sexual advances.
Don't take things you don't own unless you're asked to.
If you've used magic to obtain your desire then don't deny that it works.
Don't complain about anything you make a choice to subject yourself to.
Dont' harm children.
Don't harm animals except in self defense or for food.
When in public don't bother anybody. If somebody bothers you ask him to stop. If he won't stop then destroy him.
I_have_my_gun_ready ago
Let me first say, that I'm a Christian, and I do not and will not judge you, or your beliefs. Everyone has to walk his own path. 8
Some of your codes seem to be common sense. Though I know there are many people out there don't seem to have any common sense! :)
Also, let me say sorry, because I believe I'm about to break your code 1.
The thing that strikes me the most about your codes is how ISOLATING they are?
Don't talk to anyone about your problems stands out the most to me!
Everyone has problems from time to time. To have to bottle those problems up, and not talk about them seem very painful!
For me if a friend or family member has a problem.
I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT! I WANT TO HELP THEM!
Because you see for ME, helping you, or listening to you is NOT a burden. It's NOT an imposition. It makes ME FEELGOOD.
I know there are people that would say I'm make weak, emotional, or easily taken advantage of, but I'm NOT. Taking YOUR burdens on, on top of MY own burdens makes me incredibly STRONG.
My hope is that if I help YOU out when you're having a tough time, then maybe YOU'LL help me out later when I'm having a tough time.
Or, maybe you won't.
It doesn't really matter to me. You don't have too. Because like I said helping you out makes ME FEEL GOOD!
So in away it's a puely selfish act on my part. And also, my religion teaches me there's always HOPE for the future!
So I know that if in the future you decide you won't listen to me, or help me out, my God will send me someone else that will.
Stay safe friend.
rodental ago
As a Satanist I feel I must tell you that I absolutely do judge both you and your beliefs. Judgement is the foremost attribute of mankind, it is what sets us apart from the beasts. Your religion is a farce, a social construct engineered by a ruthless elite to make you into docile herd animals so that they can slaughter you at their pleasure. I despise your religion and what it stands for, and I want to see it destroyed because I believe it is one of the worst atrocities ever visited upon humankind.
This is a forum for discussion, you're not breaking rule 1. Even if you were, they're more guidelines that hard rules like the Ten Commandments. I welcome your opinion, to the betterment of both of us.
I think you misunderstand the spirit of the rule "Do not tell your problems to others unless you are sure they want to hear them". This is a rule which is primarily about respecting others. Basically, it means not to burden others with things that aren't their fault or problem. Every person has their own problems, and their own burdens to bear, and it is extremely disrespectful to add yours to theirs. That doesn't mean you can't talk about your problems, it just means that you should be sure about your relationship with the person you are talking to and know that: A, they care enough about you that they want to know about it; B. the knowledge wouldn't be a burden that it's unreasonable to ask the person to bear. Would I tell my problems to my wife? Absolutely, she's my partner in this life and our burdens are mutual. Would I tell a friend? Probably not all of my burdens, but part of friendship is sharing burdens, so in some cases yes. Would I tell a boss or subordinate? No. It's not their problem, and they don't deserve to have to deal with it. It's not about bottling things up, it's about making sure that what your saying is appropriate to your audience.
If you help me I will pay my debt if I am able. It would be very disrespectful to do otherwise.
God doesn't exist, and I hope someday the universe lets you understand that. In any case, thank you for the discussion, and best of luck in our battle against these pedophile freaks.
I_have_my_gun_ready ago
I understand what your saying, but I think there's huge difference in the way we look at things, and what we each consider respectful.
I don't see that someone telling me their problems is being disrespectful. Whether we're really good friends, or not.
If you came to me with your problems, I would actually be flattered that you thought so much of my opinion, you would come to me and tell me your problems.
It would actually make me feel pretty good about myself, and that's NOT a bad thing.
I understand that not everyone feels this way, but there are a lot of people that do.
Also, I don't think it's disrespect for someone to ask me to help pay a bill.
Contrary to popular belief most people feel embarrassed and degraded when they have to ask someone to help them pay bills.
So again, for me it's very flattering that you ask me for help.
It means you trust me enough to not turn away from you, or to redicule you when you come to me at a VERY LOW point in your life, and ask for help.
To me that's the defintion of respect. I trust you, I believe in you, and I know you can help me, or at least will try.
Also, again I have to disagree. There IS a God, and I pray that someday soon you'll realize that.
Thank you too for the discussion, I'm always interested in learning opposing views.
Now let's go CATCH some pedophiles!! :)
rodental ago
Ok, let's role-play this a bit. You're you, your name is Sally, and you work at the local corner store. I'm me, my name is Bob, and I've worked with you for going on three years, on the same night shift. We fucked a couple times the first year, but there really wasn't any chemistry, and since then we've been buddies at work and incommunicado outside of work. I'm going to tell you three problems I've had and we'll see how you react to each.
First one: Hey Sally, how's it Going?
S'alright, Bob, how are you?
Not great, i hit a cat with my car on the way to work, i feel so bad.
I_have_my_gun_ready ago
Okay I don't think this version really applies to your codes, because I have a relationship with this guy, even though it's a bad one.
But luck for you I've actually had a similar experience.
What I say is, I'm really sorry to hear that. That's a really messed up way to start the day.
But really there' s nothing I can to bring the cat back, or ro make him feel better. So I'd pretty much leave it at that.
rodental ago
That's the whole point: what is an acceptable burden to place on a person given their relationship with you.
Second one: How's it Goin' Bob?
It's the worst night of my life, I think my wife is cheating on me, I don't know, but... hey can you cover for me so I can go spy on her?
I_have_my_gun_ready ago
Telling me you ran over your cat and your having a bad day, is NOT a burden to me. I'm not going to internalize it. It's not going to effect MY day.
It actually helps me to understand why, your in a bad mood and your doing a crappy job at work.
No, I'm not covering for you at work so you can go spy on your wife. BUT you can tell me WHY you think your wife's cheating on you.
Maybe MY perspective might help you realize your paranoid, or maybe she really is cheating on you. Either way, whether she is, or isn't cheating on you doesn't effect me or my world. I'm going to continue to work, and live my life.
You see from what I've seen your religion doesn't believe in forgiveness.
But my religion teaches forgiveness is essential, to being forgiven.
So even though this guy hurt me in the past, I can forgive him for it, and move on with my life.
I don't wish him harm. It comes back to me helping you, and you hopefully helping me, later on if I need it.