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joey4track ago

This is again some more over speculation. I like your spirit but you are reading wayyy too much into this. I am a musician, I have played around the local music scene in NYC for almost 15 years and producing high quality music and music videos is much easier than it looks and extremely common. It's not hard at all to produce stuff like this nowadays. I hate to admit it but I really do like their music and it kinda makes me sick to my stomach, lol. Their videos are awful however. But really nothing to it, the fact that their music and videos are well produced is nothing strange in this day and age.

bopper ago

What do you think about the production costs of the video? Edit: Also, why are the Taylor Swifts etc. of the big-time music scene ... why are they spending so much on their music productions, if it's so easy? Just a question. I used to play also, years ago, never recorded but it would have been not high-tech, analog.

joey4track ago

Not as much as you think. Honestly this stuff isn't particularity hard or expensive to do these days and many lower level local bands I know have professional videos and albums.

HunkaHunka ago

lower level local bands do not put out music this good with identical stylistic signatures to famous producers like David Z (born David Rivkin). you can try to pull the wool over people's eyes, but the one thing you cannot do is remove things like intuition from people. Everyone who hears this knows intuitively that this is from David Rivkin or someone at his level. People go to movies and hear movie theme songs and hear radio hits and see professional music videos on MTV or Muchmusic or wherever , and they know what they are hearing when they hear it again. That's just the way it is. You sense all sorts of things about the cultural infuence of the music, the esthetic , the sensibilities and basic genre of it. Not just 'the electronic equipment required' there's way more to it than that. you can see how expertly the music and video caters to the limited attention span generation, how the music periodically transitions from one 'mode' to another, just before the listener loses interest, the same way that the accompanying video for it flits from scene to scene to keep the attention riveted.. These people know what they are doing, and why they are doing it, and they are making money to do it expertly.

joey4track ago

You are grasping at straws. Music "this good"?! This is AVERAGE music for a band that plays music at a local level. I have been playing and recording music for 20 years and this is NORMAL. Give it a rest ffs

HunkaHunka ago

bullshit, plain and simple. this is not music which is 'played at a local level', what planet are you living on? This not even 'playable' live , for the average local band. It is studio-created electronic, synthetic music.

Listen to the percussion alone. Try to reproduce that live. Try to play this live with three people..

it's not going to work

this was created in a recording studio from the ground up, from the get-go. They would have to reverse-engineer it all live, with the assistance of a lot of pre-recorded backing tracks to get even close to this.

joey4track ago

Oh ok ok I see, you are just trolling. Either that or you literally just discovered that music exists this morning.

HunkaHunka ago

no , I just know sophistry bullshit from a poseur when I see it. That is what you are doing.

As if your claim to be some expert in pop music over rides common sense.

you don't HAVE to spend your life time near beer urinals in the basement of local taverns geeking around with mixers to know a thing or two about music or common
sense

or about average talent levels, skill levels and common sense

I have spent thirty years sifting through the lies of paid bullshit artists like you

cancha tell

joey4track ago

K, bud. Have fun trolling.

bopper ago

Would you be implying that there would be (there is no) use for Muscle Shoals and Wrecking Crew quality musicians also? Just a question again.

joey4track ago

Honestly that depends on your taste in music I would say. But of course you will hear the difference if you were recording in a $20K per hour studio but what I'm saying is it doesn't take much to put out something of 'professional quality' on a lower budget. Those HB videos could have been done on 5K-10K or less depending on who you are working with. Many times bands will get discounted prices on production from their friends, acquaintances etc..

bopper ago

Still a bit confused, but thanks. It's hard for me to correlate "taste in music" w/ level and skill of musicianship, and again I am wondering what is the difference between the 'superstar' recordings and productions and 'nobody's.' Are we not in need of George Martins or (excuse the name) Phil Spector's etc. anymore? Don't worry if you don't have time.

joey4track ago

Like I said that really depends on your taste in music. If you like huge production or not. Or if you like something in between. Big time producers exist because there is a market for that. There are also people who like more lo-fi sounding stuff like early White Stripes or Black Keys just to for example.

bopper ago

Okay, so what you're saying is that in your opinion we are not hearing "$20K per hour studio" quality with these CPP bands?

HunkaHunka ago

bopper, its the old 'baffle em with bullshit' strategy. They cannot see the contradiction of dog shit which is up to chin level immersion levels here.

On the one hand , everyone knows that there are STILL expert music producers like the Rivkin brothers around who can STILL sell their skills and expertise to movie studios and record labels

On the other hand, there are hot air shills here claiming that its all effortless 'in this day and age' and there is no special expertise or talent involved in earning millions as a music producer or video producer

lol, shills .

nailed again

bopper ago

They're not shills, but the whole thing (music quality, production) is still pretty confusing to me. And getting so caustic and angry about it really bummed me out. Oh well.

joey4track ago

Not even close. I am however unable to find 'casa de schmid' which is where HB supposedly recorded the album: http://www.dischord.com/release/gm02/body-problems HB is on the well known indie label Dischord Records which is not an establishment type label. As for 'casa de shmid'? Well Jeff Schmid is the guitarist for HB so they most likely recorded it his house at a little home studio. So can we move on from this pointless speculation now?

bopper ago

Uh, sure.