David, don't be paranoid about the flat earthers, they're honestly not there to cause you trouble, they sincerely believe in the theory, and you have an audience (and they're thinking you might be open-minded about it), so they're 'approaching' you.
Since you're not interested in it they'll probably go away. Just saying, don't get all worked up and paranoid about them, they're harmless.
Edit: Also, I'm sure you understand people's disappointment that it wasn't a bigger fish, everybody's getting impatient. Tell your informant to give you something really good, if you want to maintain people's trust.
There are real flat earthers and fake shill ones. Certainly it could be either contacting him. Flat earth is used to discredit other investigations by shills. I do know some are real believers as well, just saying they aren't all real.
The dude who jumped out of the Red Bull thing a couple years back had a pretty good viewpoint. Earth was round. This "theory" actually makes me chuckle.
And I'm a completely red pilled open minded person.
I know we are deviating from Pgate. But since this issue was raised here and that Flat earth has been given a bad name by a number of poorly constructed arguments one must be open to this. If you truly enter this rabbit hole while discarding disinfo shills, you will realize that NASA has been lying to us very very cleverly. We have been subjected to a huge brainwashing campaign. The buck doesnt stop at P'gate. P'gate is just another window into the alternate world.
Try for a moment not to depend on images from space agencies. Then consider these arguments that question whether the earth is actually rotating:
Aircrafts use directional gyros to determine their heading. In short, mechanical gyros tend to hold their orientation in space independent of earth position, gravity etc. Therefore if the base of the gyro mount is rotated, the reading should indicate how much rotation has occured. In this video, the person used a commercial directional gyro used by aircrafts and placed it on flat table in a location in the northern hemisphere (53 deg latitude) and waited for a sufficient period of time to see if the earth rotation was registered. He basically did not observe anything. This means that the base of the gyro does not rotate. Which logically implies that the table did not rotate along with the earth. How is that possible?
Video:https://youtu.be/nUFMZkxochs?t=1h29m11s
If you allude to Foucault's pendulum experiment to prove earth's rotation, please note:
In the 1850s repetitions of foucault's experiment were made: https://maths.ucd.ie/~plynch/Publications/PRIAC.pdf
"The pendulum experiment is often described as simple, but there are several practical difficulties. Joseph Galbraith and Samuel Haughton reported irregularities in the precession rate. Non-uniformities in the bob and wire cause anisotropy, which results in oscillations of the swing-plane that can mask the effect of the turning Earth. Small transverse motions introduce anisochrony: since the period depends on the amplitude, the transverse motions are slightly faster than the long swing of the pendulum, causing precession of the elliptical trajectory; again, this can corrupt the signal due to the spinning globe. Finally, friction at the bearing and air resistance on the wire and ball damp and distort the motion."
Museum people have also claimed giving initial bias to set the pendulum in spherical motion. Foucault's pendulum experiment appears to be confirmation bias for the earth rotation model rather than proof.
I think you are a paid disinfo troll. Why is a soap bubble round? (answer is energy minimum)
What do you see when you look to space? Round ball-like rotating objects, yet somehow we would be on a flat disc? Im not gonna reply to this anymore.
Heh, sure. It sure is a hard pill to wrap one's head around since we are shown a globe earth before 1+1=2. Anyway, since you are on voat investigating Pgate, you by default have a more open-minded nature than normies. Now, why dont you debunk hard evidences instead of deflecting it to irrelevant arguments like round soap bubbles which have nothing to do with this.
Watch a ship disappear from the horizon and then take a pair of binoculars and watch it magically appear again. Explain why chicago can be seen from michigan shoreline which is more than 40 miles away using magnification lenses when it mathematically should have disappeared below if earth curvature should have been obeyed.
Watch this video, if only, for your amusement and think it over before discarding it. After all Pizzagaters demand the same thing from non-believers. Peace out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEm91zxBaa4
I gotta comment even though i said i would not. This is because of your dismissal of the soap bubble. The soap bubble goes into ball shape because it is a form that needs the least amount or energy to uphold. It is called energy minimum and its basic physics. The same form can be seen on smaller scale on molecules and electrons. The reason remains the same, it needs the least amount of energy to uphold. In other words it is natural to be lazy.
If you pour water out of bottle while in zero g what form does it take?
I did watch the whole video and i was not impressed at all. Yes, we are lied to but that does not mean that every conspiracy theory is true. I can't express myself more delicately 'cos im not a english speaking person.
Fair enough. I was not asking for your rating on the video. Merely your arguments against the claims made in the video. Coming to the soap bubble: yes, a spherical shape consumes the least energy. And that is true of other things we see around us on earth. Why would you then extrapolate this to the earth itself? Got any proof that it is round and spinning without showing me space images (known CGI manipulation) and Foucault's pendulum. After all, if it is so obvious you should easily be able to prove it through simple experiments, am I right?
I have seen it with my own eyes from airplane above sea. I might have pictures of it, taken by myself but you would not believe it. Why would the earth defy this phenomenon? What advantages would there be to hide this information from the public? I cant believe im having this conversation.
'What advantages' - Look up history of freemasonry, illuminati. How they benefit by brainwashing humanity into thinking they are insignificant specks of star dust. Anyway, I am trying to enforce integrity in arguments here. Just like a pizzagater would expect off another normie who doesnt believe in elite child abuse. But you seem to not be addressing my simple questions. This conversation is done since this is not the right community for that. Peace out.
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bopper ago
David, don't be paranoid about the flat earthers, they're honestly not there to cause you trouble, they sincerely believe in the theory, and you have an audience (and they're thinking you might be open-minded about it), so they're 'approaching' you.
Since you're not interested in it they'll probably go away. Just saying, don't get all worked up and paranoid about them, they're harmless.
Edit: Also, I'm sure you understand people's disappointment that it wasn't a bigger fish, everybody's getting impatient. Tell your informant to give you something really good, if you want to maintain people's trust.
Fateswebb ago
There are real flat earthers and fake shill ones. Certainly it could be either contacting him. Flat earth is used to discredit other investigations by shills. I do know some are real believers as well, just saying they aren't all real.
Freemasonsrus ago
The dude who jumped out of the Red Bull thing a couple years back had a pretty good viewpoint. Earth was round. This "theory" actually makes me chuckle. And I'm a completely red pilled open minded person.
acme2011 ago
I know we are deviating from Pgate. But since this issue was raised here and that Flat earth has been given a bad name by a number of poorly constructed arguments one must be open to this. If you truly enter this rabbit hole while discarding disinfo shills, you will realize that NASA has been lying to us very very cleverly. We have been subjected to a huge brainwashing campaign. The buck doesnt stop at P'gate. P'gate is just another window into the alternate world.
Try for a moment not to depend on images from space agencies. Then consider these arguments that question whether the earth is actually rotating: Aircrafts use directional gyros to determine their heading. In short, mechanical gyros tend to hold their orientation in space independent of earth position, gravity etc. Therefore if the base of the gyro mount is rotated, the reading should indicate how much rotation has occured. In this video, the person used a commercial directional gyro used by aircrafts and placed it on flat table in a location in the northern hemisphere (53 deg latitude) and waited for a sufficient period of time to see if the earth rotation was registered. He basically did not observe anything. This means that the base of the gyro does not rotate. Which logically implies that the table did not rotate along with the earth. How is that possible? Video:https://youtu.be/nUFMZkxochs?t=1h29m11s
If you allude to Foucault's pendulum experiment to prove earth's rotation, please note: In the 1850s repetitions of foucault's experiment were made: https://maths.ucd.ie/~plynch/Publications/PRIAC.pdf
"The pendulum experiment is often described as simple, but there are several practical difficulties. Joseph Galbraith and Samuel Haughton reported irregularities in the precession rate. Non-uniformities in the bob and wire cause anisotropy, which results in oscillations of the swing-plane that can mask the effect of the turning Earth. Small transverse motions introduce anisochrony: since the period depends on the amplitude, the transverse motions are slightly faster than the long swing of the pendulum, causing precession of the elliptical trajectory; again, this can corrupt the signal due to the spinning globe. Finally, friction at the bearing and air resistance on the wire and ball damp and distort the motion."
Museum people have also claimed giving initial bias to set the pendulum in spherical motion. Foucault's pendulum experiment appears to be confirmation bias for the earth rotation model rather than proof.
Drnoway ago
Just stop it. Never been on a airplane? I have and I've seen the curvedness of the earth.
acme2011 ago
Is it? See properly again. Also feel free to watch high altitude balloon videos after fish eye lens correction. Don't fall for confirmation bias.
Drnoway ago
I think you are a paid disinfo troll. Why is a soap bubble round? (answer is energy minimum) What do you see when you look to space? Round ball-like rotating objects, yet somehow we would be on a flat disc? Im not gonna reply to this anymore.
acme2011 ago
Heh, sure. It sure is a hard pill to wrap one's head around since we are shown a globe earth before 1+1=2. Anyway, since you are on voat investigating Pgate, you by default have a more open-minded nature than normies. Now, why dont you debunk hard evidences instead of deflecting it to irrelevant arguments like round soap bubbles which have nothing to do with this. Watch a ship disappear from the horizon and then take a pair of binoculars and watch it magically appear again. Explain why chicago can be seen from michigan shoreline which is more than 40 miles away using magnification lenses when it mathematically should have disappeared below if earth curvature should have been obeyed. Watch this video, if only, for your amusement and think it over before discarding it. After all Pizzagaters demand the same thing from non-believers. Peace out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEm91zxBaa4
Drnoway ago
I gotta comment even though i said i would not. This is because of your dismissal of the soap bubble. The soap bubble goes into ball shape because it is a form that needs the least amount or energy to uphold. It is called energy minimum and its basic physics. The same form can be seen on smaller scale on molecules and electrons. The reason remains the same, it needs the least amount of energy to uphold. In other words it is natural to be lazy.
If you pour water out of bottle while in zero g what form does it take?
I did watch the whole video and i was not impressed at all. Yes, we are lied to but that does not mean that every conspiracy theory is true. I can't express myself more delicately 'cos im not a english speaking person.
acme2011 ago
Fair enough. I was not asking for your rating on the video. Merely your arguments against the claims made in the video. Coming to the soap bubble: yes, a spherical shape consumes the least energy. And that is true of other things we see around us on earth. Why would you then extrapolate this to the earth itself? Got any proof that it is round and spinning without showing me space images (known CGI manipulation) and Foucault's pendulum. After all, if it is so obvious you should easily be able to prove it through simple experiments, am I right?
Drnoway ago
I have seen it with my own eyes from airplane above sea. I might have pictures of it, taken by myself but you would not believe it. Why would the earth defy this phenomenon? What advantages would there be to hide this information from the public? I cant believe im having this conversation.
acme2011 ago
'What advantages' - Look up history of freemasonry, illuminati. How they benefit by brainwashing humanity into thinking they are insignificant specks of star dust. Anyway, I am trying to enforce integrity in arguments here. Just like a pizzagater would expect off another normie who doesnt believe in elite child abuse. But you seem to not be addressing my simple questions. This conversation is done since this is not the right community for that. Peace out.